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October 2, 2011 4:57:46 AM

I wish to build a new gaming computer for around 3000 euros , and I want to get bang for my buck, performance over bling bling,
I haven't had a new computer for over 5 years now...something that will run Battlefield 3/ Arma 3 nicely...at full settings if possible.
I want something very future proof and upgradable.


These are the parts I am currently considering..

Motherboard:

Asus P8P67 DELUXE Intel P67 (Socket 1155) DDR3 Motherboard ** B3 REVISION **

Processor:

Intel i7 sandy bridge

Graphics card:

AMD Radeon™ HD 6990 Graphics card

sound card:

Asus xonar D2X 7.1 PCI-E sound card

Ram:
Corsair Vengeance Blue 16GB (4x4GB) DDR3 PC3-12800C9 1600MHz Dual/Quad Channel Kit (CMZ16GX3M4A1600C9B)

solid state hard drive:

OCZ Vertex 2E Bigfoot 120GB 3.5" SATA-II Solid State Hard Drive

system fan:

Akasa AK-CC4008HP01 Venom Voodoo CPU Cooler (Socket LGA775/LGA1155/LGA1156/LGA1366/LGA2011/AM2/AM3

Case:

Corsair Obsidian 650D Gaming Midi Tower - Black

Power supply:

Antec TruePower New Modular 750W '80 Plus Bronze' Power Supply
October 2, 2011 5:19:04 AM

yes its good specs but how about to us p8z68 instead of p8p67
October 2, 2011 10:42:22 AM

OK I will look into that. thanks. any other parts advise would be appreciated also.
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October 2, 2011 11:25:50 AM

i5-2500k is better for the bang for buck than the i7. There will be little difference in performance for the price of an i7.

Sound card is pretty useless for the normal gamer. You already have one built in the motherboard.

You actually won't need that much ram. 8gb is plenty.
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October 2, 2011 11:25:57 AM

I don't see you benefitting from Z68

http://www.ukgamingcomputers.co.uk/difference-between-h...

For an extra $20, ya can grab the WS Revolution which is something I'd do w/ anything higher than 6950 in CF or 560 Ti in SLI
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/p67-gaming-3-way-sl...

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While the NF200 doesn’t completely solve the dearth of PCIe lanes available on LGA 1155 platforms, its ability to send identical data to multiple cards makes it perfect for SLI and CrossFire. That benefit, when combined with the Sandy Bridge processor’s superior performance and overclocking capabilities, slams the lid on the coffin for X58 gaming. Anyone who needs the added flexibility of X58 to host other devices, such as high-end drive controllers or six-core processors in a workstation environment, must bow to the gaming superiority of NF200-equiped Sandy Bridge motherboards like Asus' P8P67 WS Revolution.


The 590 and 6990 are far from being worth their costs

Guru3D uses the following games in their test suite, COD-MW, Bad Company 2, Dirt 2, Far Cry 2, Metro 2033, Dawn of Discovery, Crysis Warhead. Total fps (summing fps in each game @ 1920 x 1200) for the various options in parenthesis (single card / SL or CF) are tabulated below along with their cost in dollars per frame single card - CF or SLI:

$ 360.00 6970 (526/825) $ 0.68 - $ 0.87
$ 220.00 560 Ti - 900 Mhz (495/862) $ 0.44 - $ 0.51
$ 320.00 570 (524/873) $ 0.61 - $ 0.73
$ 480.00 580 (616/953) $ 0.78 - $ 1.01
$ 725.00 6990 (762/903) $ 0.95 - $ 1.61
$ 750.00 590 (881/982) $ 0.79 - $ 1.43

$725 for 762 fps ???? The 900 MHz 560 gives you 100 fps more for about $440.

I'd do the onboard sound and only add the Xonar later if you feel OB comes up short......most don't

I'd drop to 2 x 4GB as 16GB shows no advantage in gaming. More importantly drop the silly heat sinks and get Corsair's new short version

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

The only cooling effect of these big coolers is that they "look cool". While they served a purpose (when they were effective) w/ DDR2, they are absolutely useless on DDR3.

http://benchmarkreviews.com/index.php?option=com_conten...
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At more than 2" tall in certain areas the Corsair Vengeance could pose a problem for users like me who use large coolers such as the Scythe Mugen 2. I was able to use the Corsair Vengeance only after I mounted the fan on my cooler on the backside. Size is definitely a concern with heat spreaders of this size and therefore I encourage users to check that they will have enough space under their heatsinks before purchasing the Corsair Vengeance kit.


http://benchmarkreviews.com/index.php?option=com_conten...
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The problem I have with the Corsair Vengeance is the same I have with many kits of RAM on the market. Companies insist on putting large coolers on their RAM and it limits the choice in CPU heatsinks that can be used within users system. DDR3 does not require these elaborate coolers with its lower voltages which translate to lower temperatures then RAM saw during the DDR, and DDR2 era. Corsair is correcting this with low profile versions of its Vengeance line but ultimately I would like to see the average size of coolers drop instead of having to look for specific low profile versions of a memory line.


If gaming, I'd get the 2500k as the 2600k's HT isn't going to do squat for ya.

Why the ole tech Bigfoot ? I's suggest a modern 550 MBps SSD ,ike the Vertex 3 or Corsair Force Series 3

Ya went high end on everything and then went cheap on the Case, PSU and cooler.

Best quiet cooler to my mind is Thermalright Silver Arrow (check out the Hyper 612 also if it ever hits the shelves). V6 GT is nice performer thermally but loud as hell.

http://benchmarkreviews.com/index.php?option=com_conten...

Will need some TIM
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

My fav case / PSU combo is the CP_850 w/ either the Antec 1200V3, DF-85 or P183/P193. Jonnyguru writes that you'd have to spend twice as much for a comparable performing PSU and he gives it a 10.0 performance rating. SilentPCreview.com writes:

http://www.silentpcreview.com/article971-page7.html

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he Antec CP-850 is a superlative power supply by almost any standard. Its electrical performance is up at the level of its more expensive brethren, the Signature 650 and 850, and Seasonic's flagship, the M12D-850: Voltage regulation is extremely tight for all the lines at all loads, and the ripple noise is amazingly low.......

The noise performance is excellent, with the <400W performance matching or bettering virtually every PSU tested thus far. Above 500W load in our heat box, the noise level goes over 40 dBA@1m, or about the norm for PSUs rated this high. It has the virtue keeping itself extremely cool, however, cooler than any other PSU we've tested at such high loads.

A serious consideration is that in each of the three compatible Antec cases, the CP-850 mounts on the bottom, and the intake for the PSU is quite separate from the rest of the system. In the P193 and P183, the PSU is in an entirely separate thermal chamber, and in the model 1200, a direct path can be maintained to the directly opposite, wide-open front vent. This means that our extreme hot box test conditions never apply to the CP-850; in other words, SPCR's test environment is unrealistically hot for the CP-850. Our atypical spot check with a room ambient thermal test showed the CP-850 would reach only 24 dBA@1m at 700W load in a 27°C working environment. This is ridiculously quiet for such high power output.

The above is an obviously unfair advantage for the CP-850... but what of it? Antec has used an integrated systems approach for its CP-850 and its best cases, and if that approach is an advantage over all other case/PSU combinations, then, all the more power to Antec!......

For the quiet-seeking computer gaming enthusiast, the CP-850 (along with any of the three [four now w/ the DF-85] compatible cases) is something of a godsend. Fantastically stable power, super low noise at any power load, long expected reliability due to excellent cooling, modular cabling, and all at a price that's no higher than many high end 6~700W models.


Next up, I'd opt for the HAF-X w/ the AX850 (or something bigger if warranted).



October 2, 2011 1:45:46 PM

Do I have to water cool ? I'd rather avoid it if possible..

This is my first time building a pc and to be honest I have a limited knowlage of parts..
can use all the help I can get.



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October 2, 2011 3:58:26 PM

Water cooling is really not even worth thinking about ......

http://benchmarkreviews.com/index.php?option=com_conten...

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I think the Silver Arrow represents the ultimate air cooler than can be built and still fit within the constraints of an ATX motherboard and a standard computer case. I suppose one might argue that a solid copper version could have slightly better performance, but I don't think it would be worth the weight and price penalty. At 825 grams, the Silver Arrow, although heavy, is lighter than many of its competitors, some of which break the kilogram barrier. With Intel's official maximum heat sink weight at a mere 450 grams, moving your system with 1,000 grams or more of metal hanging sideways off the motherboard can be a dangerous proposition.

It's almost ironic that coolers like this are becoming available just as processors transition to designs that may ultimately render them unnecessary; even overclocked to 5GHz, an Intel Sandy Bridge 2600K doesn't need anywhere near this level of cooling. Still, it wouldn't hurt, and as I noted earlier, there are still CPUs out there that can benefit from it.
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