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January 3, 2012 5:55:00 PM

Hi guys . I have phenom 955Be & i wanna Give it to my Brother & I wanna use i5 2400 . now i have some questions about it

1.Im not Overclocking , Just need fast CPU with no bottleneck ! so is i5 2400 fine or i have to go for K Series . what do you think about i5 2300 ? i5 2400 or 2300 ?

2.I already have 2x2Gb ddr3 DualChanel 1333Mhz Ram . DO i need to get Tri Chanel or Something ? How much Will be the perofrmance difference between mine & tri chanel memories, do i realy need to upgarde my ram for much More speed ?

3.Im Looking for Suitable Motherboard for This CPu . Im not overclocking . I just need strong CHip That wont Bottleneck any of my Hardwares & will Be Great & Suitable option for my CPu . i cant Spend Too much . For example i grab MSI 790Fx-GD70 for my phenom 955BE . it was chip & Great . had good features & was gaming mainboard !

4.will i5 2400 bottelenck Crossfired 6870 ?

5.My VGA & CPu both were amd . so will Intel & amd VGA work fine together ?

Thanks alot



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January 3, 2012 8:33:41 PM

Use the same ram in pairs on your 1155 board. The speed sync is determined by the motherboard chipset, not the ram. K series is easier to sell later, but about $20 more. For bottlenecking, I would list your favorite games; can't help you there, I'm no gamer.
January 3, 2012 8:46:29 PM

wait and get new ivy bridge cpu matter of weeks.
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January 4, 2012 1:23:39 AM

^+1
wait for ivy

and for your questions, if not want to wait for ivy
1. Only i5-2500k is available in k version in i5, 2500k is only a little expensive and it deserve it, go for i5-2500k.

2. You will need only 2 sticks of ram which are compatible with intel

3. Well i5-2500k is meant to be overclock you can hit 4ghz with it, and a z68 chipset is great even if you are not overclocking.

4. 2400 will not bottleneck crossfired 6870

5. Definately they will.

But strongly recommend to wait if you can.
Wait for ivy
and wait for nvidia gtx 7xx or ati radeon hd 7xxx lineup , they support directx 11.1 too
January 6, 2012 7:17:01 PM

wow Rly ? 7xxx ? i Rly love ATi Vga cards , they are always Fast & cheap . but oh no , it hasnt been a year iv Upgraded Whole my System . I payed alot & i promised that i wont Upgrade anything :D  . but this 7XXX makes me ... grrrr :D 

I already run all new games JUST GREAT ! i dont know if i gonna need 7xxx or not . i wish they be as Cheap as 6xxx series .

Ok lets imagin i wanna Grab sandy now :

1. ok i gonna go 4 Z68 mainboard over P , ! im sure its stronger (Strongest chip is Z68 right ? ) . so what Models can you Suggest me ? im looking for Cheap & fast one , remember i dont want that Cheap word make you suggest main boards that might bottleneck my hardwares :D . Something that has Good Feetures ,i only care about Performance & max Bandwidth ! i dont care if it has 2 USB 3 or 4 Usb 3 or what .

2.i dont wanna Grab i5 2500K , because i5 2400 is already expensive for me & little bit more expensive will make big NO to my Requests :D  . DO i Rly Rly have to ? Im not OCing , i dont Want & illnever , i need Good native PErformance . im sure i5 2400 is more than enough . what do you think ?

3.mmm Ivy Bridge , Im afraid it will be So much more Expensive than Sandy . & sandy it self is already expensive enough for me ! if it will be like that then .

simple example : if your game is running at 150 Fps , why pay more & get 170Fps . while 150Fps is More than enough to enjoy the Game . its matter of Sandy & ivy . im saying if Sandy is more than enough & it will be that fast that ivy wont bring Noticible Perforamnce Differnece , then Why Buying IVY & not SANDY ? :D 

4. Sorry i wanna Ask agaiN About Ram . Are you sure that my 2x2Gb ddr3 1333mhz DUalc Chanel Ram will Fully Provide i5 2400 + Z68 + 6870 ? im afraid my ram will hold whole my system BACK ! but your Saying I realy dont Need Tri channel or anything more than what i already have right ?

5. i heard AMD Bulldozer is not Strong . They are Weaker than Sandy bridge right ?

Thx alot for the time you give to answer my Stupid Questions :D 

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January 6, 2012 10:43:34 PM

Difference between the 2400 and 2500 is $20. Is that REALLY going to completely break your budget? Not a whole lot of difference in the chips, but an extra 100MHz can be helpful.

As for waiting on Ivy Bridge, even if you don't get the chip, the Ivy launch just might drop prices on Sandy Bridge. Something to think about.

Gigabyte makes a lot of solid Z68 boards around $150. If you can spend a little more, I like my ASRock one.

Why crossfire 6870s? A single 6970 will perform just as well, is cheaper than two 6870s, and will draw less power. Put that extra $20 toward an i5-2500 and your CPU dilemma is solved.
January 7, 2012 1:23:42 PM

Now i surly gonna wait for Ivy , Waiting can make manythings clear & easier .

Second : I heard Asrock is not making Quality Boards . Instead everyone says : MSI , Giga & asus !

Third : I dont wanna crossfire , i wanna see if that i5 2500 or 400 will be that strong that wont Bottelenck them . I might Buy 6970 Instead , SIngle strong GPU is Always a better Option . i heard Crossfire = High Heat , Incompatible with Some games , sometimes no difference & ...

Or maybe 7xxx has Great Suprise . I think all i Can DO is to WAIT FOR Both GPu & CPU ! i had a look in Different Marketing sites ( my Country marketing Sites )& sandy prices got Extremly High here . i wish ivy Come & Change SOmethings !

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January 7, 2012 1:41:51 PM

DukiNuki said:
Now i surly gonna wait for Ivy , Waiting can make manythings clear & easier .

Second : I heard Asrock is not making Quality Boards . Instead everyone says : MSI , Giga & asus !

Third : I dont wanna crossfire , i wanna see if that i5 2500 or 400 will be that strong that wont Bottelenck them . I might Buy 6970 Instead , SIngle strong GPU is Always a better Option . i heard Crossfire = High Heat , Incompatible with Some games , sometimes no difference & ...

Or maybe 7xxx has Great Suprise . I think all i Can DO is to WAIT FOR Both GPu & CPU ! i had a look in Different Marketing sites ( my Country marketing Sites )& sandy prices got Extremly High here . i wish ivy Come & Change SOmethings !


+1 [:truegenius:2]
nice decision [:truegenius:6]
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January 7, 2012 5:28:37 PM

DukiNuki said:
Second : I heard Asrock is not making Quality Boards .

Haven't had a single problem with my Z68 Extreme4 Gen3 board. Admittedly, this is the first ASRock board I've owned, so it's not like I've got a huge sample pool to draw from, but there you go.
January 8, 2012 2:58:30 PM

;)  Thx anyway . Thx for all info :D  . Just one Question

I had a look at Z68 at gigabyte site . & some of them had Integrated Graphics Processor . If im gamer & i use 6870 so should i get mobo with or Without Integrated Graphics Processor ? which one is better ? its Like Onboard GFX right ? so i think mobo with No onboard GFx is Much better

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January 8, 2012 3:10:16 PM

with z68 chipset you can use onboard graphics too
for gamming a dedicated card is what you need regardles of igpu or onboard gpu

mobo without onboard graphics may cost you less
January 8, 2012 7:02:34 PM

SO you mean That It Doesnt matter if Mobo has Onboard Graphic on it or not . right ? NO DIFFERENCE ? in one hand i tought that onboard can Join with my 6870 & make higher PErformance , in other hand i tought it can Slow down or Bother my 6870 ! or it might has no effect on anything . if im using 6870 i dont need any other Onboard to use . SO tell me do i need this Onboard GFX or not ??


2nd QUESTION IS : i CHoosed Z68 Mobo , does it matter if i choose Cheap Z68 or Expensive Z68 ? if Expensive One has No performance Difference with Cheaper one & has Only more Features then i realy dont need to Burn my money !

Im Not OCing , Crossfireing .. All i need is Suitable & fast ( responsive) Z68 for i5 2400 or 500 ! Nothing more ! there are Differente z68 in Giga site , even Cheapest one Has Everything i need ! But i rly dont know if Cheap one means less performance ?!?!?!!!

What can you suggest from Gigabyte Z68 List ?
January 8, 2012 7:16:38 PM

NEW THING : i was Researching & i found that Only Difference between P67 & z68 is Support of Onboard GFX ! The THing that i rly Dont NEED !

But in other Sites I read that Z68 Is Stronger Cheap any way & has more performance than p67 !

Which one is true ?? i rly like Z68 but if it realy has no performance difference with P67 then Why Going for Z68 ?
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January 9, 2012 3:58:06 AM

DukiNuki said:
NEW THING : i was Researching & i found that Only Difference between P67 & z68 is Support of Onboard GFX ! The THing that i rly Dont NEED !

But in other Sites I read that Z68 Is Stronger Cheap any way & has more performance than p67 !

Which one is true ?? i rly like Z68 but if it realy has no performance difference with P67 then Why Going for Z68 ?

z68 is the chipset with complete support for all the cpu-features of sandy bridge. this includes cpu and gpu both overclocking, cpu and gpu use, ram overclocking, intel rst, srt, full support for usb, sata ii, iii ports, cfx/sli support, higher ram support. other mainstream desktop chipsets i.e. h61, h67 and p67 lack one or more of these features.
overclocking performance depends more on the motherboard, power delivery (vrm, caps etc.).
all the sandy bridge chipsets were affected by degrading sata 3 gb/s ports bug when h61, h67 and p67 chipsets were on sale. they had to be recalled and fixed with b3 revision. z68 was not on sale at that time, it received b3 revision from the begining. if you buy a p67 motherboard, make sure it has b3 revision.
here's a comparison:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LGA_1155
January 9, 2012 10:04:22 AM

Oh by the way , that Sata 2 Slow down Fixed in B3 version right ? because i have Sata 2 HDD & im afraid it might ...

ANy way , Z68 HAS very Good Features . But I said before : i Dont Use More than 4GB of ram , I dont Overclock anything ANYTHING :D  , Im not gonna Go for Crossfire . All i Need is CHeap & GREAT chip to handle All my HArdwares & other Operations as smooth as butter :D  . just that !

My Primary Question is about PERFORMANCE & Not FEATURES ! im asking if P67 has Performance difference with Z68 or Not just that ! even if theres 1% difference tell me & ill Get Z68 . I dont need Something to be able to hit 8GHz ( for example cz im not overclocking ) i always stick with Stock Speed ( safe & Cool ) !

If Z68 gives more Bandwidth to VGA & CPU then please tell me , & then ill surly grab Nothing But Z68 :D  !

ANSWER THIS TOO : in one hand i tought that onboard Graphic can Join with my 6870 & make higher PErformance , in other hand i tought it can Slow down or Bother my 6870 ! or it might has no effect on anything . if im using 6870 i dont need any other Onboard to use . SO tell me do i need this Onboard GFX or not ??
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January 9, 2012 11:23:08 AM

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January 9, 2012 3:26:08 PM

Roy gave a good description of the Z68 benefits over P67/H67. Main features in the step up to Z68 ( aside from the SATA B3, ) was the support for SSD caching ( something you may use in the future, ) and combining the abilities to overclock the CPU and use the graphics in the CPU simultaneously with a discrete GPU ( before these were relegated to P67 and H67 alone, respectively. ) I know, you won't OC the CPU. And while utilizing the graphics on the CPU won't speed up your gaming visuals, it can significantly speed up multimedia transcoding, like converting videos for an iPod or Zune.

First, P67, H67, and Z68 boards do NOT have their own integrated graphics controller because they use the graphics in the Sandy Bridge chips. Instead, you're paying extra for a video out jack on the board, but not a graphics controller ( small difference, I know, but some people like to be specific. ) Any gaming GPU has multiple jacks for multiple displays so don't pay extra for a video out jack on the mboard ( unless the board you want happens to have a video jack. ) A video jack also takes space away from other connectors you may prefer to have on the back of the board, such as extra USB ports, eSATA, audio connections, CMOS clear buttons, etc.

All current LGA 1155 chips can handle more than 4GB RAM, so that's not even an issue to worry about. Considering you can get 8GB for ~$40, unless you're using parts you already own or are sticking with a 32 bit OS, there's really no reason not to grab 8GB ( unless the $15 over 4GB is going to destroy your budget. )

To expound on mixing the Intel HD graphics and the 6870, no they won't cause problems. You can usually disable the Intel graphics in the BIOS/UEFI if you want. The main benefit you'll get from the Intel HD + Z68 is faster multimedia transcoding when converting video/audio from one format to another. Outside that, the Intel HD will sit there and do nothing. But no, you can't pair them up to share gaming workloads and get better frame rates.

As for better performance, consider that the Z68 chipset is newer, so while H67 and P67 boards are still being made, the Z68 boards will usually have the more current components on them. I'm not saying there will be a huge difference, but it's always nice to have a slightly updated LAN controller, sound processor, USB controller, VRM, etc.

And seriously, using consistent, proper capitalization and grammar in your posts makes them much easier to read and therefore easier for you to get applicable responses.
January 10, 2012 6:07:45 AM

Wow thanks for whole info , sorry for my Bad English :D  .

OK Z68 , i got it

GIGABYTE - Z68A-D3-B3 ( no onboard )

GIGABYTE - Z68AP-D3

GIGABYTE Z68P-DS3

these Z68 fits in my Budget . & my QUESTIOn is : does it matter if i get Cheap Z68 or Expensive one ? i know they have feature difference , DO they have Performance Difference too ? ( cheap Z68 vs Expensive one )
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January 10, 2012 7:11:11 AM

Try to get the z68x-ud3h or asrock z68 extreme 3 gen 3.
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January 10, 2012 8:26:42 AM

cheap mohterboards will have cheap components, less ports, less connectivity etc.
you'll notice that gigabyte's ud4 motherboards are usually costlier than ud3 motherboards which are costlier than d3 motherboards.
January 10, 2012 3:19:51 PM

Ok ok i know cheap ones have Less Features . DO THEY HAVE LESS PERFORMANCE too ? , im talking about performance . i dont care about 14 or 12 ports or 10000 porst :D  .
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January 10, 2012 3:35:05 PM

most motherboards-with-same-chipsets will perform very similarly. what makes them different from one another are the features and components. pricier motherboards usually contain better features and components ... up to a point, beyond which you don't get better performance for more money.
round up article of two price points:
http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/z68xp-ud3-dz68db,29...
http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/z68a-gd80-p8z68-del...
specifically these overcloking pages:
http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/z68xp-ud3-dz68db,29...
http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/z68a-gd80-p8z68-del...
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January 10, 2012 4:17:20 PM

Good list there, Roy.

Another thing to consider is that extra features often means extra longevity of the board. You may not use USB 3.0 or eSATA now, but what about in a year? Maybe you want that extra card slot for an SLI option down the road. I know it's sometimes hard to go over a firm budget, but sometimes spending that extra $20 now leads to a much better computing experience down the road.

But if you're really firm on a very basic board, consider a micro ATX board. You can sometimes find a board with the features/connectors you want at a lower price and all you lose are some additional card slots ( that many people will never use. )

Remember people, performance isn't just about frame rates, it's also about comfort of use.
January 10, 2012 6:13:42 PM

Thx alot , now im clear . Ok im not pro to choose the good ones from Giga's List . it seem all of them have very similar features . what can you offer me ? Giga ! msi , asus . :D  . for example i learned that it will better to have Gen3.0 Pci . i didnt notice that some of the boards dont have that ! so if you have something in mind then list them . UD4 & 5 are realy realy expensive , some XPUD3 s are expensive now . Prices were better , But because of THis Crisis in the COuntry im living in .everything got expensive !


GIGABYTE - Z68A-D3-B3 ( no onboard )

GIGABYTE - Z68AP-D3

GIGABYTE Z68P-DS3

boards like this are in suitablr range for me ! any suggestion from msi or giga around this Price ( Good board ) will be great :D  .thx alot
January 10, 2012 6:19:49 PM

I wish prices go down Soon again . for example i5 2400 was 230 ( lets say $ , my point is the difference ) . now it has raised to 325 $ !!!!!!! Thx to the Country im living innnn !!!!

thats why Im saying its realy got expensive & even extra 20$ does matter ! now im waiting for best moment to haunt it . Now im planing some gd boards for it . just to be ready :D  . actualy im waiting for Both Ivy & HArdware Price COndition !!!
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January 10, 2012 6:33:39 PM

What country pricing are you talking about?
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January 11, 2012 1:55:26 AM

That sucks :/  over here I can get an i5-2500k for 180 dollars and get 50 dollars off of any motherboard I choose at microcenter.
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January 11, 2012 2:06:51 AM

DukiNuki said:
I wish prices go down Soon again . for example i5 2400 was 230 ( lets say $ , my point is the difference ) . now it has raised to 325 $ !!!!!!! Thx to the Country im living innnn !!!!

thats why Im saying its realy got expensive & even extra 20$ does matter ! now im waiting for best moment to haunt it . Now im planing some gd boards for it . just to be ready :D  . actualy im waiting for Both Ivy & HArdware Price COndition !!!

keep (i am not saying that you should buy these right now) this current build as a backup in case ivy bridge is out of your budget. imo the pcie 3.0 capable, z68 motherboard will be fine.
amuffin said:
That sucks :/  over here I can get an i5-2500k for 180 dollars and get 50 dollars off of any motherboard I choose at microcenter.

different countries have different prices.

January 11, 2012 2:57:05 AM

Well im living in IRAN ! ITs differente . othes countries cant rise the prices just in a day or for nothing , but in here 8$ stuff suddenly raises to 18$ . :D  Bull s!@# huh ?

But i had a look at ivy CPus which equal to i5 2400 in price ! if i5 2400 is suitable for me then one of those Ivies will be 4 Sure ! dont you think . any way prices might not stay like this 4 ever :D  .


You mean any Z68 Mobo that has Gen 3.0 Pcie will be FINE ? ANy of them ?
because as i said much of them in gigabyte list , had same Features . USB3 sata3.0 . amount of Ram they support . Ocing capability & ...

& a question about MSI boards . I hear id you wanna buy MSI mobo then Digit after G is Important & effects on perofrmance is that right ? for example GD 70 vs GD55 . GD70 has more perofrmance !

is it Performance again ? or it JUSt Means that GD70 has Only More FEATURES & not Speed ! Clear something please . am i right ?Performance of the Board is Determined by the Model of chip ( for example 790Fx , Z68 , ... ) these are numbers that showing the Speed of particular Motherboard right ? & what comes Before & after is all about Features & COmponents . do you confirm this ?

If i get cleared in this then i can choose suitable board for me ! because i can See Features But i cant see which one has MORE Bandwidth for my Hardwares & can Give more perfomrance to them ! Thx alot .


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January 11, 2012 3:04:18 AM

okay... this is slowly getting into motherboards territory.
open a thread in the motherboards sections for your query.
January 11, 2012 7:20:17 AM

Ok ok .so sorry . if nobody did give an answer then ill do it 4 sure
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