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October 4, 2011 2:40:51 AM

hello there, since my current computer is gonna soon explode (my motherboard seems to be broken) i want to buy a new computer. i currently have a Q6600 with 4 gb of ram.

so basicly i was hoping someone competent would help me. The computer im building would be used for multitasking, gaming, and doing this : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WCXgwNSQfI8

basicly running starcraft 2 + another instance of starcraft inside a vmware, so i can play with friends on the same computer and such. From what ive heard it seems to require much processing power and lots lots lots of ram (like 12 gb minimum)
ive been told that hyperthreading would be useless for me ? i dont know if its used in vmware and virtualization ingeneral so i cannot say..

So this is the build i made:
Intel Core i7 2600K Quad Core Unlocked Hyperthreading Processor LGA1155 3.4GHZ Sandy Bridge 8MB
http://www.ncix.com/products/index.php?sku=57960

ASUS Maximus IV EXTREME-Z Rog LGA1155 Z68 4PCI-E16 PCI-E4 PCI-E1 Lucidlogix Virtu Motherboard
http://www.ncix.com/products/index.php?sku=62933

Corsair Professional Series Gold AX850 CMPSU-850AX 850W ATX Fully Modular 80PLUS Gold Power Supply
http://www.ncix.com/products/index.php?sku=53719&promoi...

Corsair CMZ16GX3M4A1600C9 Vengeance 16GB 4X4GB DDR3-1600 CL9-9-9-24 Dual Channel Memory Kit
http://www.ncix.com/products/index.php?sku=57076

Mushkin Chronos Deluxe 120GB 2.5IN SATA3 Sandforce SF-2281 SSD Solid State Disk Flash Drive
http://www.ncix.com/products/index.php?sku=62875&promoi...

Metadot Das Keyboard Professional Model S Mechanical Keyboard
http://www.ncix.com/products/index.php?sku=54110

Antec Nine Hundred Two V3 Mid Tower Gaming Case 902 ATX 3X5.25 6X3.5 1X2.5 USB 3.0 Audio No PSU
http://www.ncix.com/products/index.php?sku=58597

And for the graphic card i would reuse the one i already have, which is a asus ENGTX 275.

the reasons for a big power supply like this is because i might possibly go SLI in the future, and want to keep some room.

I'd like some advice on what i could reajust or improve, as this is my first computer i build from ground up. If theres a way i could get similar performance for less $, i just dont wanna overspend for nothing. or get better performance for same price, or if im doing some "overkill" on some pieces, id like to know, any tips welcomed ! thanks :D 



EDIT : okay sorry ! heres the info

approximate purchase date : the sooner the better, like within 2 weeks
budget range : 1300-1500 MAX
system usage from most to least important : Gaming (starcraft 2 mainly), dual client of starcraft 2 running at the same time (1 in window and another one in VMWARE), VMWARE, heavy multitasking, movies, music..
parts not required : video card, as i already have a asus engtx 275, hard drives (1,5 terrabyte..) i could reuse my old case which is a
Antec Nine Hundred Mid Tower Gamer Case 900 ATX 9 Drive Bay No PS TOP USB2.0 1394 Audio
http://ncix.com/products/?sku=21123&vpn=NINE%20HUNDRED&...
preferred website for parts NCIX.CA (canada)
Country of origin : canada
Parts preference : intel cpu, asus motherboard, corsair ram and power supply
overclocking : i dont know how, so probably not
SLI : possibly in the future
monitor resolution 1440x900 on 2 monitor

additionnal comments : Id like a performance type computer, that should be 'relevant' for the next years..

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October 4, 2011 2:55:00 AM

Hi there! Welcome to the forums.

First things first, can I get you to fill out this form? http://www.tomshardware.com/forum/261222-31-build-advic... It would really help in determining your needs.

However, you might consider recycling that CPU! It's pretty good when overclocked, and saves a bundle if you're on a budget.

Get back to me, and we'll talk.

Cheers!
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October 4, 2011 2:57:17 AM

There is a problem with the case you selected and the motherboard. Basically, the SATA ports on the MB fit right against the hard drive bay, leaving no room for placing the sata cables into the ports. It's impossible to tell from the pictures, but I had this exact combination, and had to sell the case because of this. Look for another case. I suggest the following - works like a champ with this MB.
http://www.ncix.com/products/?sku=60883&vpn=SGC%2D1000%...
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October 4, 2011 3:13:19 AM

striker410 said:
Hi there! Welcome to the forums.

First things first, can I get you to fill out this form? http://www.tomshardware.com/forum/261222-31-build-advic... It would really help in determining your needs.

However, you might consider recycling that CPU! It's pretty good when overclocked, and saves a bundle if you're on a budget.

Get back to me, and we'll talk.

Cheers!



Well, ive never overclocked before...and like i said my motherboard seems to be broken, so it would be simpler for me to just upgrade actually :3, ive edited my post with the instruction you sent also :D 
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October 4, 2011 3:34:19 AM

abekl said:
There is a problem with the case you selected and the motherboard. Basically, the SATA ports on the MB fit right against the hard drive bay, leaving no room for placing the sata cables into the ports. It's impossible to tell from the pictures, but I had this exact combination, and had to sell the case because of this. Look for another case. I suggest the following - works like a champ with this MB.
http://www.ncix.com/products/?sku=60883&vpn=SGC%2D1000%...



would it work on this one ? or it is the same thing basicly?

Antec Nine Hundred Mid Tower Gamer Case 900 ATX 9 Drive Bay No PS TOP USB2.0 1394 Audio
http://www.ncix.com/products/?sku=21123&vpn=NINE%20HUND...
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October 4, 2011 3:35:15 AM

Well, you could get a new mobo and keep the CPU....

But we'll go with a new machine :) 
-Drop the 2600 to a 2500k. Just as good, really.
http://ncix.ca/products/?sku=57962&vpn=BX80623I52500K&m...

-If you think you need 16GB of ram, get 2 8GB kits. It will be much cheaper you'll find.
http://ncix.ca/products/?sku=55544&vpn=996770&manufactu...

-Get a cheaper PSU! An Antec Earthwatts 750 is a cheap and reliable option. You want modular? An XFX or corsair modular 750w is just fine.
http://ncix.ca/products/?sku=38649&vpn=CMPSU-750HX&manu...

-Cheaper mobo! Try for a Gen3 board, so you will be PCI-E 3.0 capable.
http://ncix.ca/products/?sku=63945&vpn=Z68%20Extreme3%2...

Last, I suggest a different SSD. A crucial M4 for reliability, or one of those new Wildfire drives for speed. ( http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168... )

Tell me what ya think of those recommendations ;) 
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October 4, 2011 3:39:35 AM

syn12345 said:
would it work on this one ? or it is the same thing basicly?

Antec Nine Hundred Mid Tower Gamer Case 900 ATX 9 Drive Bay No PS TOP USB2.0 1394 Audio
http://www.ncix.com/products/?sku=21123&vpn=NINE%20HUND...

I think it's the same design, so same problem. Antec really messed up when designing the 900 and 902 V3 cases. You need to look for a different model that has more space to allow for the front facing SATA ports.
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October 4, 2011 3:44:02 AM

striker410 said:
Well, you could get a new mobo and keep the CPU....

But we'll go with a new machine :) 
-Drop the 2600 to a 2500k. Just as good, really.
http://ncix.ca/products/?sku=57962&vpn=BX80623I52500K&m...

so theres not much of a difference between 2600k and 2500k ? even for vmware?


-If you think you need 16GB of ram, get 2 8GB kits. It will be much cheaper you'll find.
http://ncix.ca/products/?sku=55544&vpn=996770&manufactu...

ive heard ram was faster when you got it in pairs of 2, is that true?

-Get a cheaper PSU! An Antec Earthwatts 750 is a cheap and reliable option. You want modular? An XFX or corsair modular 750w is just fine.
http://ncix.ca/products/?sku=38649&vpn=CMPSU-750HX&manu...

if i eventually go with a sli system is that gonna be enough?

-Cheaper mobo! Try for a Gen3 board, so you will be PCI-E 3.0 capable.
http://ncix.ca/products/?sku=63945&vpn=Z68%20Extreme3%2...

is there any asus motherboard capable of pci-e 3.0 ? what are the advantages of 3.0 ?

Last, I suggest a different SSD. A crucial M4 for reliability, or one of those new Wildfire drives for speed. ( http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168... )

it is from newegg, but the m4 seems nice, is it more reliable than the mushkin?

Tell me what ya think of those recommendations ;) 


its nice, but theres so many choices its make me dizzy lol. and since its a lot of money well..i just wanna make sure to have a good build you know :p 

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October 4, 2011 3:45:35 AM

abekl said:
I think it's the same design, so same problem. Antec really messed up when designing the 900 and 902 V3 cases. You need to look for a different model that has more space to allow for the front facing SATA ports.


im not sure i understand this correctly, basicly there is not enough space to connect the hardrives to the motherboard, am i correct?
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October 4, 2011 3:48:00 AM

syn12345 said:
im not sure i understand this correctly, basicly there is not enough space to connect the hardrives to the motherboard, am i correct?

That's bascially it. There's just not enough room to fit the sata cables into the ports facing the front of the case.
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October 4, 2011 3:52:38 AM

abekl said:
That's bascially it. There's just not enough room to fit the sata cables into the ports facing the front of the case.


oh... i see..thanks for the info ! i suppose i either have to get another motherboard or change my case.

is this something that happens with other LGA 1155 motherboards? or only with this serie?
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October 4, 2011 3:54:16 AM

syn12345 said:
its nice, but theres so many choices its make me dizzy lol. and since its a lot of money well..i just wanna make sure to have a good build you know :p 

Not sure about Hyper Threading. A quick search tells me it is used by VMware. However, I don't know that you'll ever end up using the virtual cores! A 2500k is quite fast, and can handle anything you through at it without choking. Maybe it's me, but $100 is a lot to pay for a specific usage set.

Yes it is faster if you get matching ram. However, all they do with 16GB kits is bundle 4 4GB sticks together. You can buy 2 identical sets of 8GB kits and do the exact same thing for cheaper. There's absolutely no reason to.

750w can handle up to 570's in SLI. You should be fine xD

Well, PCI-E 3.0 really isn't needed, it's just an upgrade path to leave open. Your call. (I do believe Asus will be coming out with Gen3 boards soon)

Yes, I do believe the M4 is more reliable. Mushkin is a lesser maker of SSD's, so therefore you take a bit more of a gamble.
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October 4, 2011 4:01:34 AM

syn12345 said:
oh... i see..thanks for the info ! i suppose i either have to get another motherboard or change my case.

is this something that happens with other LGA 1155 motherboards? or only with this serie?

It's really the cases fault because all MB's with this port arrangement have this problem with those two cases.
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October 4, 2011 4:05:37 AM

striker410 said:
Not sure about Hyper Threading. A quick search tells me it is used by VMware. However, I don't know that you'll ever end up using the virtual cores! A 2500k is quite fast, and can handle anything you through at it without choking. Maybe it's me, but $100 is a lot to pay for a specific usage set.

okay well, if the difference is very thin i guess ill opt for the 2500k then :p 

Yes it is faster if you get matching ram. However, all they do with 16GB kits is bundle 4 4GB sticks together. You can buy 2 identical sets of 8GB kits and do the exact same thing for cheaper. There's absolutely no reason to.

but the appereance seems different. the one ive linked seems to have some kind of metal thing on it for cooling, those doesnt. does that mean that they arent as good or im just being noob ? lol


750w can handle up to 570's in SLI. You should be fine xD

oh i see lol, fine then 750w it is :D 

Well, PCI-E 3.0 really isn't needed, it's just an upgrade path to leave open. Your call. (I do believe Asus will be coming out with Gen3 boards soon)

oh okay.

Yes, I do believe the M4 is more reliable. Mushkin is a lesser maker of SSD's, so therefore you take a bit more of a gamble.

is there anything better than this? just by curiosity, which maker does the fastest ssd?
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October 4, 2011 4:09:09 AM

Well, you can get corsair 8GB kits also. I was just linking that one as an example. And no, they are really just for looks.

Ehh, hard to tell. Best thing to do with SSD's is get the cheapest/fastest/best rated one you can find.
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October 4, 2011 4:17:06 AM

striker410 said:
Well, you can get corsair 8GB kits also. I was just linking that one as an example. And no, they are really just for looks.

from what im seeing it doesnt seems like they do 2x8 kits, its like 2x4 at most, ive been on the official website :/ 

Ehh, hard to tell. Best thing to do with SSD's is get the cheapest/fastest/best rated one you can find.


alright then thanks a lot :D 
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October 4, 2011 4:21:30 AM

syn12345 said:
alright then thanks a lot :D 

Sorry, I meant like the 2x4 kits, which are a total of 8GB. 8GB kits are 2x4GB, 16GB kits are 4x4GB.
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October 14, 2011 1:30:54 AM

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