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January 11, 2012 2:33:56 PM

Hi
I just wanted to teach this trick I learned using batch files and HWinfo temperature monitoring
this is link to HWinfo freeware
hwinfo32 for 32bit systems
http://www.hwinfo.com/download32.html
hwinfo64 for 64bit systems
http://www.hwinfo.com/download64.html

when you run the program you have a choice of "sensors only" or going to main program
the main program gives a report of the hardware you are using
you want to pick "sensors only"

now you will see your temperature sensors
you can go into <configure>
there you can remove any sensors you dont need to clean up the display
now look for you CPU temp sensor
when you highlight it
there will be options for the sensor
you want to check off the box for enabling alerting
then check off the box for "if sensor is > "
then enter in your max operating temp
for my Phenom II I picked 65c
then I checked off "play sound" so it will play a warning sound
also changed notification interval to 1 second to shorten shutdown time
then I checked off "run a program"
when you click on the program box
it will open a window to select your file

I created a batch file in Notepad
first open Notepad and go to file
select save as
then select "all files" in file type box
then type "shutdown.bat"
I placed it in main directory of C drive but you can put it anywhere
now in Notepad type this
"shutdown.exe -s -t 00" without the quotation marks of course
now save the file
it should save as a batch file named shutdown.bat

now in HWinfo go to the directory you have the shutdown.bat file in
change file type from exe to batch in dropdown box
you should see your shutdown.bat file in the file selection box
select that file

now when your temp goes above the temp you selected it will play a warning sound
then do an immediate shutdown

this can also be used for the video card temp in case of GPU fan failure

just have HWinfo run as a startup program
you will have to select run as sensors only on startup
but this way if you have a catastrophic cooling failure
hopefully your system will shutdown before damage occurs
your CPU will shutdown when temps are too high
but this is generally around 100c which is too high
you can set it for a lower temp that is safer
check with your CPU makers data sheet to see max operating temps
for Phenom II x 4s it is listed as 55c - 71c for C2 steppings
for C3 it is a lower temp
I picked 65c since I dont want my CPU temp to go over that
for my GPU I picked 90c since they can run hotter but you might want to pick in the 80s depending on your GPU

this is great especially if you are running a H-series contained watercooling system
since if you radiator pump fails
as soon as the temp rises it will shutdown the computer to prevent damage

I hope this comes in handy for somebody
please feel free to post questions

Regards
King SMP
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January 11, 2012 3:30:07 PM

Nice King! Keep 'em coming...
a b à CPUs
January 11, 2012 3:33:47 PM

Yeah that's pretty nice. I'll be trying it later :D 
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January 11, 2012 3:37:27 PM

I really like the idea of the H-series water cooling setups
I want to save my pennies up and get one
but 4ryan6 and I were discussing them and he pointed out that
whent the pump fails it is a real problem
unlike traditional air cooling there is no heat sink
when a Hyper 212+ fails for example the large heatsink will still act to cool off the CPU
along with the air flow in the case
but when a H-series fails there is no HS to help out and it can lead to CPU damage
so I wanted to figure out a way to shutdown the tower immediatley when temps got high
I did this with HWinfo but I am going to check out other monitoring programs like
CoreTemp,Realtemp,Speedfan etc
and see if it can be done in those and report back
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January 11, 2012 3:40:05 PM

FinneousPJ said:
Yeah that's pretty nice. I'll be trying it later :D 



thank you
when you try it later
if you have any questions
please ask me on this post or PM me
and I will be glad to help

If by doing this I can save just one computer from being damaged
then my work is done......
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January 11, 2012 3:47:16 PM

king smp said:
I really like the idea of the H-series water cooling setups
I want to save my pennies up and get one
but 4ryan6 and I were discussing them and he pointed out that
whent the radiator fails it is a real problem
unlike traditional air cooling there is no heat sink
when a Hyper 212+ fails for example the large heatsink will still act to cool off the CPU
along with the air flow in the case
but when a H-series fails there is no HS to help out and it can lead to CPU damage
so I wanted to figure out a way to shutdown the tower immediatley when temps got high
I did this with HWinfo but I am going to check out other monitoring programs like
CoreTemp,Realtemp,Speedfan etc
and see if it can be done in those and report back


The H-series has a 2-5 year warranty (depending on model), so if there is a pump failure, leakage, etc Corsair will replace what has been damaged. And from my experience Corsair's cust. support is really good. Nice to take precautionary measures anyway just to avoid the hassle of replacement parts.
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January 11, 2012 4:35:53 PM

I dont like to trust in replacement warranties :) 
they always get you in the fine print LOL
but that is nice to know
in April/May it is my birthday and tax refund time
so Poppa is getting a new GPU ($150 budget) and a H-series cooler($50 budget)
so I am thinking HD 6850 or HD 7770 and a H20 Antec Kuhler unless a better deal for $50 at the time
I like the Corsair but above my budget

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January 11, 2012 4:45:12 PM

I just set it to 55 deg C and ran Prime to test if it works and it does :lol: 
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January 11, 2012 4:55:13 PM

Awesome FinneousPJ

There is also a way to use that same command and create an Icon on your desktop or taskbar for shutdown

this a rundown on the shutdown command
http://www.microsoft.com/resources/documentation/window...

you might want to try adding in a "-f" to that batch script
that will force running programs to close

this is how to use shutdown command as an icon
http://www.howtogeek.com/howto/windows-vista/quick-tip-...

I am still learning about writing batch files and the cmd line scripts
so hopefully I can come up with some other neat "tricks"


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January 11, 2012 5:03:13 PM

was just working on it
go to your shutdown.bat file
and right click>edit
change the script to
"shutdown.exe -s -f -t 00"

by adding in the "-f" it causes all running programs to terminate immediatley
you will lose your work but with a catastrophic cooling failure you wont care LOL

also by the way
that shutdown Icon can be used as a fun practical joke
for example on one of your family members computer
if they use internet explorer (or firefox,chrome etc)
changet the icon for IE and rename it
then create the shutdown Icon
but name it internet explorer or whatever you want
then use the icon image for IE

then when they go to go on the internet
the computer just shuts down LOL

this is just for a fun practical joke
not to be used in a mean or criminal manner
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January 11, 2012 5:38:05 PM

Hi :) 

You realise I assume that almost all computers have a CPU temperature shutdown option in the bios....

All the best Brett :) 
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January 11, 2012 5:41:48 PM

This thread brought me to investigate Coretemp~

it has the option for shutdown as well or executable:



I tried both and it's pretty cool. Thanks King!
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January 11, 2012 5:55:06 PM

Brett928S2 said:
Hi :) 

You realise I assume that almost all computers have a CPU temperature shutdown option in the bios....

All the best Brett :) 


OEMs like Dell and HP dont have that usually
and I have had OEM computers for the longest time
this is my first custom rig and I didnt see that in my Asus M4A77TD AM3 bios
but I will look for that right now
thank you very much for letting me know about that
I just thought this was a neat trick and I am studying writing batch files
and using the cmd line interface
really powerful in the right hands

January 11, 2012 6:02:06 PM

I LIKE TRAINS :D 
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January 11, 2012 6:07:37 PM

RussK1 said:
This thread brought me to investigate Coretemp~

it has the option for shutdown as well or executable:

http://i1081.photobucket.com/albums/j357/russwood8814/coretemp.jpg

I tried both and it's pretty cool. Thanks King!



thanks russwood
I also have Coretemp installed and was going to check it out
so you saved me some work

I do know that Coretemp measures cpu temps from the digital sensor under the heat spreader on the cpu
while HWinfo reports the core temp and also the mobo socket sensor temp which I believe is the Tcase temp
the core temp is Tjunction and the mobo socket temp is Tcase
Intel and AMD both use Tcase for their maximum temps
so Tjunction or Core is usually 5C lower than Tcase or mobo socket temp
so make sure you adjust your thermal shutdown temp in Coretemp to provide for this
just make your shutdown temp 5c lower if using Tjunction or CoreTemp
this is one of the threads I have been studying
http://www.tomshardware.com/forum/252233-29-tjunction-t...
a former member Uncle Webb did alot of research on temperatures though I cant find his guide anymore

I could be wrong about this
still studying

I do now that the cpu temperature is the one you want to watch and not the core temp from my reading

understanding Tcase,Tjunction,TJmax is tricky stuff so if somebody sees something wrong with info
PLEASE let me know

any good source links on this subject is greatly appreciated
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January 11, 2012 6:08:50 PM

Arlen10 said:
I LIKE TRAINS :D 



dont we all?

when I retire I am building a monster computer controlled train set
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January 11, 2012 6:13:27 PM

king smp said:
OEMs like Dell and HP dont have that usually
and I have had OEM computers for the longest time
this is my first custom rig and I didnt see that in my Asus M4A77TD AM3 bios
but I will look for that right now
thank you very much for letting me know about that
I just thought this was a neat trick and I am studying writing batch files
and using the cmd line interface
really powerful in the right hands


Hi :) 

I own computer and laptop repair shops and although older machines rarely had it, most modern machines (last 3 to 5 years) almost always have it.... sometimes on laptops its set automatically with no bios setting though....

Regarding your batch files, the small problem I have with that way of shutting down is that if the program itself or even windows goes weird it wont work 100% of the time... the bios will...as its at a hardware level not a software one....

All the best Brett :) 
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January 11, 2012 6:31:06 PM

well Brett
this is meant in all respect to a fellow professional
I hope you understand that no insult is meant
this is just a friendly disagreement
please dont be offended :) 

I checked on my Asus M4A77TD AM3 board which is a relatively newer board
http://www.asus.com/Motherboards/AMD_AM2Plus/M4A77/#ove...
this board was built in 2009
and my BIOS doesnt have that option
I just went over every setting in my BIOS
and Asus is major maker of mobos
I agree that a BIOS level shutdown would be preferred over a windows software shutdown
but not every tower has that option
I do know that the Dells,HPs and other OEMs that come through MY shop
do not have that option that I have seen in any of their BIOSes
So I thought that this method was a good way for users to control shutdown temps

Brett if you dont agree that is your right and I thank you for respectfully disagreeing
alot of members are not as polite as you
and your opinion is valued
you make a very good point of the BIOS shutdown being a better way of doing it
I 100 percent agree with that
if I had that option I would definitley use it instead

I have been working on computers since my first one in 1981 (TRS-80)
and was just trying to help others learn

All the best King SMP :) 
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January 11, 2012 6:45:28 PM

king smp said:
thanks russwood
I also have Coretemp installed and was going to check it out
so you saved me some work

I do know that Coretemp measures cpu temps from the digital sensor under the heat spreader on the cpu
while HWinfo reports the core temp and also the mobo socket sensor temp which I believe is the Tcase temp
the core temp is Tjunction and the mobo socket temp is Tcase
Intel and AMD both use Tcase for their maximum temps
so Tjunction or Core is usually 5C lower than Tcase or mobo socket temp
so make sure you adjust your thermal shutdown temp in Coretemp to provide for this
just make your shutdown temp 5c lower if using Tjunction or CoreTemp
this is one of the threads I have been studying
http://www.tomshardware.com/forum/252233-29-tjunction-t...
a former member Uncle Webb did alot of research on temperatures though I cant find his guide anymore

I could be wrong about this
still studying

I do now that the cpu temperature is the one you want to watch and not the core temp from my reading

understanding Tcase,Tjunction,TJmax is tricky stuff so if somebody sees something wrong with info
PLEASE let me know

any good source links on this subject is greatly appreciated


Yeah Coretemp goes by Tjunction (core) and not Tcase... which is fine and set overheat protection @ 80c which would be well below Tcase and TjMax. If Tjunction is 80c my Tcase theoretically would be around 60-65c (being generous for error).

I don't even hit these temps with IBT @ max settings albeit.


which would hit 75c Tcase)... @ 4
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January 11, 2012 6:48:18 PM

king smp said:
well Brett
I checked on my Asus M4A77TD AM3 board which is a relatively newer board
http://www.asus.com/Motherboards/AMD_AM2Plus/M4A77/#ove...
this board was built in 2009
and my BIOS doesnt have that option
I just went over every setting in my BIOS
and Asus is major maker of mobos
I agree that a BIOS level shutdown would be preferred over a windows software shutdown
but not every tower has that option
I do know that the Dells,HPs and other OEMs that come through MY shop
do not have that option that I have seen in any of their BIOSes
So I thought that this method was a good way for users to control shutdown temps

Brett if you dont agree that is your right and I thank you for respectfully disagreeing
alot of members are not as polite as you
and your opinion is valued

I have been working on computers since my first one in 1981 (TRS-80)
and was just trying to help others learn

All the best King SMP :) 


Hi King :) 

I didnt realise the Asus 77 didnt have the option.... we are building some machines with 3 graphics card in at the moment on the 88 Evo board and I know they have it...interesting though :) 

All the best Brett :) 
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January 11, 2012 6:50:28 PM

RussK1 said:
Yeah Coretemp goes by Tjunction (core) and not Tcase... which is fine and set overheat protection @ 80c which would be well below Tcase and TjMax. If Tjunction is 80c my Tcase theoretically would be around 60-65c (being generous for error).

I don't even hit these temps with IBT @ max settings albeit.


which would hit 75c Tcase)... @ 4



I would think that if Tjunction or Core is 80c than your Tcase would be about 85c
I could be wrong though

edit - this is fromt that thread I linked earlier

"Since Tcase Max (maximum CPU temperature) for the Q8200 is 71c, then the corresponding Tjunction (Core temperature) is 76c, which shows the proper 5c relationship between CPU temperature and Core temperatures on a calibrated system"

so my understanding is core temp or Tjunction is going to be 5c lower than Tcase

so if you want to shutdown at Tcase of 80 then you would set the core temp at 75v

friendly disagreement
Please dont hit me :) 
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January 11, 2012 6:57:20 PM

Brett928S2 said:
Hi King :) 

I didnt realise the Asus 77 didnt have the option.... we are building some machines with 3 graphics card in at the moment on the 88 Evo board and I know they have it...interesting though :) 

All the best Brett :) 



I edited my last post
so please re-read
I wanted to make sure you knew this was a respectful disagreement

I am a poor ghetto computer repairman
I work in a inner city in the Northeast USA (NJ)
so I run across many older machines and have older hardware
I just started my business about two years ago
and am still hustling and struggling to make it work
not easy
I am ALWAYS willing to listen and learn from other users especially professonals in the computer field
and your input is greatly appreciated
I hope one day to be building triple CF/SLI rigs LOL

for now I get by
Doing a windows install on a Dell Optiplex 170L P4 2.8 1gb ram Windows XP Pro with COA
for one of the secondhand thrift shops I do work for (also sell on consigment my own refurbed towers)
so as you can see I am used to OEMs from years back
most of my customers towers are more than 4-5 years old
I am happy when a Core2Duo or Athlon64 x 2 comes into the shop LOL :) 

Brett-Please feel free to PM me (click on my Avatar)
I would love to ask you some questions about starting a computer repair business
I have ALOT to learn
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January 11, 2012 7:17:14 PM

a b à CPUs
January 11, 2012 7:19:36 PM

Hi King :) 

Pm sent..happy to help :) 

All the best Brett :) 
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January 11, 2012 7:52:01 PM

king smp said:

I work in a inner city in the Northeast USA (NJ)

Paterson ?
a b à CPUs
January 11, 2012 8:17:26 PM

delluser1 said:
Paterson ?



no

basically in NJ
you have in order of worst to least IMHO

1) Camden
2) Paterson
3) Newark
4) Jersey City - actually Newark and Jersey City are kind of a tie

that is just from my experience
not a statistical analysis


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January 11, 2012 8:19:41 PM




strange
run Coretemp
and report what that says
under load


usually the core runs 5c cooler than Tcase

but I will run a max load run
with core temp and HWinfo and compare
also will DL CPUid
and check all three readings
I always admit to the possibity of being wrong :) 
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January 11, 2012 8:20:53 PM

king smp said:
no

basically in NJ
you have in order of worst to least IMHO

1) Camden
2) Paterson
3) Newark
4) Jersey City - actually Newark and Jersey City are kind of a tie

that is just from my experience
not a statistical analysis

I've lived in NJ most of my life, and am a grandfather ;) 
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January 11, 2012 8:29:13 PM

Cool delluser
I am a Dad myself (technically step-father but couldnt love her more than if she was my own- love is thicker than blood)

I also have lived in NJ all of my life
born in the Jersey Shore
lived in Monmouth County and Ocean county by the water
then later moved up to the city

I hope you understand I dont like to give out exact location or email address
as a general rule
really not a big deal
I see people really paranoid on here but they have Facebooks with pictures of their
family and their address and job
just not my style
just basic precaution
there are a few members who I have shared that info but only after a long time of chatting with them and developing a friendship
once I get to know you (feel free to PM me)
then maybe one day we can get together for a cup of coffee (dont drink anymore)
and talk computers if you are near my area
would be cool to have somebody close by to buy/sell/trade parts and just BS about
computers with
nobody in my "real life" has the same obsession as me
usually just tune me out after the first five minutes LOL
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January 11, 2012 8:32:10 PM

king smp said:
Cool delluser
I am a Dad myself (technically step-father but couldnt love her more than if she was my own- love is thicker than blood)

I also have lived in NJ all of my life
born in the Jersey Shore
lived in Monmouth County and Ocean county by the water
then later moved up to the city

I hope you understand I dont like to give out exact location or email address
as a general rule
really not a big deal
I see people really paranoid on here but they have Facebooks with pictures of their
family and their address and job
just not my style
just basic precaution
there are a few members who I have shared that info but only after a long time of chatting with them and developing a friendship
once I get to know you (feel free to PM me)
then maybe one day we can get together for a cup of coffee (dont drink anymore)
and talk computers if you are near my area
would be cool to have somebody close by to buy/sell/trade parts and just BS about
computers with
nobody in my "real life" has the same obsession as me
usually just tune me out after the first five minutes LOL

:lol: 
Born in New Brunswick
Live in OC a block from the water
a b à CPUs
January 11, 2012 8:36:49 PM

I live in Mass. and the taxes suck!
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January 11, 2012 8:42:12 PM

RussK1 said:
I live in Mass. and the taxes suck!

No offence, but so do many of the drivers :p 
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January 11, 2012 9:02:09 PM

russwood have you seen the property taxes in NJ
roughly a $300k house has about 10k a year in taxes depening on the land and condition of the house
and forget about the motor vehicle dept and local traffic court
even if you are innocent you still have to pay a $35 court dismissal fee!

and a pack of cigarretes are $8 for Marlboros
gas isnt too bad about $3.10 a gallon right now

@Delluser - have you ever gone to Seaside and had apple cider vinegar fries?
absolutley awesome
I lived in Bayville and also Lakewood NJ in my youth and adulthood
grew up banging on the boards
I used to know Sleazeside and Pt pleasant like the back of my hand
I still like to go to Jenkinsons in the summer and hit the water slides and arcades with my family
and I could tell you stories about Seaside in the late 80s
cruisin the boulevard in my 1976 400 small block Camaro
cranking up GunsnRoses
getting thrown out of bars
I was banned for life from the go carts because of drunk driving
ran right into a wall at full speed LOL
spending weekends in the hotels in Seaside
one time barfed from the second story of hotel onto a Mercedes Benz
not too proud of that
got lost for hours in the arcades playing Zaxxon,Dig Dug,fighting games

oh man those were the days
nothing to do but drink beers,drive fast,go to concerts,try to score with girls on the boardwalk (once in a blue moon even get lucky LOL)

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January 6, 2013 3:36:24 AM

Question. How to use this method to load specific profile file (msi afterburner, amd overdrive) during overheating

Quote:
also by the way
that shutdown Icon can be used as a fun practical joke
for example on one of your family members computer
if they use internet explorer (or firefox,chrome etc)
changet the icon for IE and rename it
then create the shutdown Icon
but name it internet explorer or whatever you want
then use the icon image for IE
then when they go to go on the internet
the computer just shuts down LOL


:lol:  i tried this in my college (few months ago) :D 
my classmates are one of them who prefers facebook and youtube during computer class so i tried your method and freaked them out :whistle:  , they thought that it is virus :lol:  and i told them to "not to worry i will handle the teacher" :whistle: 

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this is my first custom rig and I didnt see that in my Asus M4A77TD AM3 bios but I will look for that right now

my 880g board lacks auto shutdown at specific temp , though it gave me an option to make noise means it says "i can scream at temp above your specified but i ain't gonna shut it down for ya , ya are not paying me to do that job " :whistle:  :p 

btw i live in a place very close to you , in a radius of 10k miles , very close ;)  Goku can make it in few seconds :whistle: 
!