On Board Graphics vs Cheapest Video Card

If I was trying to build an inexpensive PC for watching blu ray movies or surfing the web and things like that.

Is there any advantage to either and onboard video vs the cheapest video card you can find?
something like this?
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814127596

also is there any noticeable difference between different models of onboard video cards?
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  1. That is crap, build your self a amd rig that has integrated graphics as they are much more modern and provide a lot more performance than this 8400gs can provide. If you are just trying to use parts that are already on hand and is intel igp (gma) then this card will be better in the long run.
  2. Yep it is crap.
    I choose it because it was the absolute cheapest one that was in stock.
    Ok so how much would I have to spend to beat out the onboard graphics on an amd board?

    here is the cheapest ddr5 one I could find.
    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814261060


    Is all Intel onboard graphics garbage?
  3. Mostly yes because Intel is so minimalistic about their designs that even their best gma only has 12 shaders and drivers for those who end up gaming on them find that things are not so great. As for the older versions they tend to run hot and slow. Hell even a puny discreet card can provide a small boost in i/o intensive apps that don't make much use of a gpu compared to the igp by freeing up ram and bandwidth needed to run it. IGP like the Intel gma are essentially parasitic in their design using the system ram for all of it's basic functions while a discreet card has it's own vram. The bandwidth needed to run a discreet card is much less in light tasks any way.
  4. thanks for quick reply
    just to clarify.
    Are you talking about any motherboard that supports and intel chip?
    Or just motherboards made by intel.

    also would the DDR5 card I mentioned above beat the graphics on an amd board?
  5. Ok boards with an intel chipset and the core i3/5 if that new but for the amd board lol. AMD has much better onboard graphics than intel. As for a discreet card by amd using gddr5 will provide plenty of bandwidth.
  6. sorry its a little unclear.
    are you saying the newer boards supporting 1155 sandy bridge i5 i7 have ok integrated graphics?
  7. Yes but for the i3/5 it is on the cpu not the board.
  8. If all you are wanting to do is watch Blueray (3D or 2D) and surf the web. Anything more than the I3-2100 or a Llano A-Series chip is overkill. The HD2000 or HD6530D
    is more than enough to handle those kinds of light graphic workloads.
  9. Ok I understood about the overkill.

    But now you have me curious about the graphics performance of newer I5 I7 motherboards.

    can you point me in the right direction to understand more about the Intel graphics being handled by the CPU?

    Is there any benchmarks that I can see for that type of system?

    How would something like an I5-2500k with integrated graphics compare to a separate graphics card?
  10. That link was very helpful.
    But the AMD integrated graphics did was near the bottom on all tests, even with a 1100T.

    I thought you said that AMD integrated graphics was better then Intel.
  11. alohascott said:
    That link was very helpful.
    But the AMD integrated graphics did was near the bottom on all tests, even with a 1100T.

    I thought you said that AMD integrated graphics was better then Intel.


    They are but the cpu behind them is weak compared to Intel. Thanks to Intel never releasing the full instruction set for any thing above sse3 and the weak floating point unit in amd cpus they lose badly in cpu intensive apps and the low clocks rates don't help. Intel gma HD on the i5 clocks very high compared to most gpus and it has decent fill rates but the shader is very very weak. Gaming with Intel graphics is very hit or miss depending on the game. Games that are more fill rate dependent will perform much better on Intel but any thing that is shader heavy is going to be a slide show at best. The amd apu series has very low cpu clocks low clocks on the gpu and is why they don't do so well in the benchmarks. Also there is always a question of settings and bias in the reviews.
  12. "If I was trying to build an inexpensive PC for watching blu ray movies or surfing the web and things like that. " if that is all you want, then no need to worry, any moden onboard graphics with a decent cpu can handle things fine. If you want to play games you need to go spend at least $120 to get yourself a decent video card.
  13. Thanks
    is there any particular card you are thinking about when you mention the 120 price tag?
  14. HD 5770. Tomshardware puts out a monthly best GPU for X dollars. Here's the latest one.
    http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/gaming-performance-radeon-geforce,2997-3.html
  15. nforce4max said:
    They are but the cpu behind them is weak compared to Intel. Thanks to Intel never releasing the full instruction set for any thing above sse3 and the weak floating point unit in amd cpus they lose badly in cpu intensive apps and the low clocks rates don't help. Intel gma HD on the i5 clocks very high compared to most gpus and it has decent fill rates but the shader is very very weak. Gaming with Intel graphics is very hit or miss depending on the game. Games that are more fill rate dependent will perform much better on Intel but any thing that is shader heavy is going to be a slide show at best. The amd apu series has very low cpu clocks low clocks on the gpu and is why they don't do so well in the benchmarks. Also there is always a question of settings and bias in the reviews.


    Nforce4max is talking about LLano chips with the HD 6550 on die. The 1100t was using onboard graphics and is more comparable to the first gen of I-series chips not the new Sandybridge.
    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819103942
  16. since the thread asks onboard vs cheapest video card
    I would pick the Gt 240 over any onboard graphics currently out there
    the $50 investment would be worthwhile
    make using the computer a better overall experience
    it is overkill for browsing and movie watching
    but it is better to have it and not need it
    than need it and not have it
  17. ok with the gt 240
    I gave the link above to the ddr5 model but there is also a cheaper ddr3 model.

    are you better off with the ddr3 1gb model or the ddr5 512mb model.

    the ddr5 model is an extra $10

    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814133321
    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814261060
  18. Either works though if you are seriously looking for a discrete graphics card for HTPC use I'd pick the GT 430. 55 Dollars, 35 after MIR.
    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814261103
  19. ok
    so on the video card what has the most effect on its performance?
    core clock?
    stream processors?
    Memory interface?
    or memory type?
  20. It depends on the application you are using. GDDR5 will always be faster than GDDR3 version of a card and as a general rule with the same stream processors the core clock will make it faster. That's all based on the same architectures so really more than just looking at numbers.

    What's the point of this question. Why are you shopping for a video card? Are you wanting to play BR disc with the best Picture Quality? Do you want a dedicated video card for a low profile HTPC for some light 720p gameplay on your TV? Is this for a desktop gaming rig? If you are looking for help to build a rig go to this thread to use as a template and post in the systems subforum so you can receive the appropriate help.
    http://www.tomshardware.com/forum/261222-31-build-advice
  21. Aloha
    I looked at the link about best graphics cards for the money and decided to get the 5670.

    I just want decent performance now and be able to sell it for a decent price if i decide to change it later.

    something rated as a good value now I think will offer me that.
  22. masseybe84 said:
    HD 5770. Tomshardware puts out a monthly best GPU for X dollars. Here's the latest one.
    http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/gaming-performance-radeon-geforce,2997-3.html

    ^+1 I use the 5770 with my i7-930 (OC to 4GHz) and it's very effective even in 1080p Crysis
  23. ok thanks
    I marked this one as the cheapest card a serious gamer would consider.

    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814131434
  24. +1 to a 5770 (6770) for a budget build, draws very little power relative to most gpus in its class of previous generations ie the gtx 260

    cant wait to see how powerful a gpu can be with the same requirements as a 5770 when next gen rolls around..
  25. alohascott said:
    ok thanks
    I marked this one as the cheapest card a serious gamer would consider.

    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814131434


    yeah that is pretty much an accurate statement some would argue the you need more but for your needs I think the 6770 will work out nicely
  26. "If I was trying to build an inexpensive PC for watching blu ray movies or surfing the web and things like that"
    Quote-OP

    Ah the hidden gamer in you screams to be free huh?

    I understand :)

    What power supply do you have?
    the HD 6770 off the top of my head needs a 6 pin PCIe connector
    and at least 400-450 watts so be careful
  27. ^^well considering that a 6850 and an oc'ed quad ran on a antec earthwatts 380w in the toms sbm budget build a 5770 will no doubt run on the same psu. The 5770 draws about 4 AMPs at load
  28. I have corsair 650W it has the connector
  29. The official TDP of the 5770/6770 is 120W (they're the same card) and they take only one 6 pin connector, many reviews have the card drawing 108W at load, my 550w can handle that and a power hungry OC i7 easily so 650 would definitely be more than enough, and you could crossfire sometime if you wanted to and still be safe with that power supply (as long as you have 2 6-pin connectors on it)
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