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How many watts should my PSU have for a gtx 560ti SOC?

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August 12, 2011 11:21:55 PM

Hi!

Im thinking about purchasing the Gigabyte gtx 560ti superoverclocked edition, and i am wonderwing how many Watts should my PSU be able to bring to the table if i have a intelcore i7 and 6gb ram and then the 560ti? Will a 550W PSU be sufficent? I am not planning to go SLI. Cheers for any replies :) )
a c 214 U Graphics card
August 12, 2011 11:26:24 PM

What is the make/model of your PSU?
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August 12, 2011 11:29:10 PM

Its a Packard Bell one, i dont know the model of it as i am on vacation atm.
Thanks for the quick reply :) 
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a c 214 U Graphics card
August 12, 2011 11:31:23 PM

Well we need to know the specifics of that PSU before we can tell you that it's ok to run it with a GTX560ti.Some PSU's aren't actually capable of delivering their rated wattage which is why theirs reason for concern.
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a c 376 U Graphics card
August 13, 2011 12:02:45 AM

The 360w on the +12v rail is what matters. The GTX 560 Ti uses about 160w under normal use... an i7 is either 95 or 130w. It may work but personally I wouldn't risk it.
I think it would be ok with an HD6870 if it is a Sandy Bridge i7(95w), HD6850 if it is last gen(130w.) Or you can just replace the PSU.
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August 13, 2011 12:16:35 AM

How much W on the +12V Rail is recommended then? and is Corsair/CoolerMaster/Antec good brands on PSU?
Thanks guys!
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a c 214 U Graphics card
August 13, 2011 12:28:45 AM

Wow that is a good deal.That's the same PSU that I have.I bought it for $80 though.

I would reccomend going with Corsair and Antec as well as Seasonic and XFX.Cooler Master makes good PSU's but their really high end all of their lower end stuff is not good.
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August 13, 2011 6:01:49 PM

Thanks guys, how much does that PSU regulary cost and is it really a good deal? Im new to building/Upgrading pcs so i wouldnt know :)  Il look into it, if i get that PSU, will i be able to go SLI/Crossfire in the future with high end graphics cards aswell?
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August 13, 2011 6:34:32 PM

And btw, does Newegg ship to europe or just in the US?
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August 13, 2011 6:56:30 PM

Ok i just found out that neither Newegg or Amazon ship computer hardware at all to my location (Sweden, Europe) so im stuck to buy in 1 of my local stores.
Here i´ve found a couple of PSU´s that caught my eye, any of them worth the money and are they good for going SLI/crossfire in a near future?

http://www.webhallen.com/hardvara/129358-corsair_powers... (aprox 80 dollars)

http://www.webhallen.com/hardvara/126880-corsair_powers... (aprox 90dollars)

http://www.webhallen.com/hardvara/134978-ocz_powersuppl... (aprox 85dollars)

http://www.webhallen.com/hardvara/122624-cooler_master_... (aprox 60dollars)

These are the ones that are in my budget, i cant go over 100dollars imafraid at this moment since i will have nothing left to a new GPU, thanks for all the replies and help!

// Dextr

And advice on some graphics cards that gives really good bang for the buck is also very apreciated :)  Does not matter if its Ati or Nvidia :)  Cheers!
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a c 214 U Graphics card
August 13, 2011 7:33:27 PM

You can always use amazon.uk can't you?

Out of those I would go with the Corsair GS800.It has plenty of power for a GTX560ti SLI and more.
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August 13, 2011 7:46:00 PM

Oh yeah your right thanks mate :)  Im ordering it from Amazon.uk now, and a last question if i may, is the http://www.amazon.co.uk/MSI-N560GTX-Ti-Twin-Frozr-II/dp... better or even with the superclocked gigabyte 1? I heard that MSI overclocks at factory and then u can OC it further with MSI afterburner, how far could i go with OCing the MSI card? it comes with 880MHZ coreclock, could i OC that to 1ghz or is that impossible? So my question is: Stick with the 560ti SOC or grab the twinfrozr instead?
Thanks again mate, your help has been outstanding :D 
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a c 214 U Graphics card
August 13, 2011 8:17:02 PM

1ghz is not impossible at all.It has been done for the past couple years now.In fact Gigabyte actually offfers a different version of the SOC which has a factory O.C. to 1ghz.

1ghz SOC
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

As you can see from these temp benchmarks the Twin Fror II is defnitly able to run a lot cooler which might be better for getting a higher O.C.

http://www.hardwarecanucks.com/forum/hardware-canucks-r...

I would reccomend getting the Twin Frozr II but the Gigabyte SOC that has a 1ghz factory O.C. is really neat in the fact that you don't have to worry about O.C.ing and the fact that your already guranteed to run at 1ghz core clock.
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August 13, 2011 8:22:37 PM

The 1ghz SOC cant be found here in sweden and most of europe atm..i looked everywhere, and the newegg dont have a UK site and thus dont deliver to me. so that 1 is into the bin.
So if i OC the MSI 1, and it fails, im screwed? or does it have a 2bios switch like the 6950 ?
and btw, when i OC the msi card, do i use MSI afterburner or?
Thanks for the replies mate! sorry if im a big noob but im new to this :) 
//Dextr
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a c 214 U Graphics card
August 13, 2011 9:15:01 PM

It's much more simple O.C.ing a GPU than CPU.If the settings you set failed it will go back to the last succcesful settings that worked.If it does for some reason not work anymore you can always send it back under Warranty.I would reccomend using Afterburner.Since it is a MSI card it should work flawlessly with it.
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August 13, 2011 9:30:20 PM

Thanks mate!..well now im pretty much on my wits end tho..buy a MSI twinfrozr 560TI and OC it to 1ghz or grab an XFX 6950 and flash it to a 6970....whats your recomendation and i will not go SLI/cross fire at this time ....is the 6950 the corespondent to the 560ti? and is a flashed 6970 better then a 1ghz msi 560ti? And, is it worth spending an extra 20dollars to get the http://www.webhallen.com/hardvara/132902-msi_geforce_gt... version that is OC to a 950MHZ`? or just get the original OC and OC it further myself?
Sorry for all the frequent questions mate :) 
Cheers!
// Dextr
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a c 214 U Graphics card
August 13, 2011 9:58:26 PM

The GTX560ti and the 6950 are practically the same.Each card trades their own blows to the other depending on the game.

I would reccomend getting the GTX560ti Twin Frozr.Flashing a 6950 to a 6970 is good but it's not a sure thing.Mostly a 50/50.Another negative about it is you have to get a reference design in order to unlock it.Reference desings have horrible cooling.

I would much rather have a Twin Frozr II that stays cool even when O.C.'d than a flashed 6970 that gets really hot.
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August 13, 2011 10:01:18 PM

Thanks il go with the Msi 560ti ! Thanks mate your help has been outstanding! Now the last tiny question..its simply:
I bought my pc prebuilt with an ati card...will the 560ti not fit into the motherboard since its nvidia instead of ati?
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August 13, 2011 10:02:03 PM

Best answer selected by dextr88.
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a c 376 U Graphics card
August 13, 2011 10:04:57 PM

Ignore factory overclocks. What you want to do is look for a card with good cooling and overclock on your own. The MSI Twinfrozr card are good choices as are the Asus DirectCU cards.
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a c 214 U Graphics card
August 13, 2011 10:09:14 PM

Is it a Micro-Atx motherboard and case?

I've seen many people fit cards that are 8inches in micro-atx case's but sometimes it doesn't always work.If you can't get it to fit with proper case airflow then just buy a mid tower case.You can find really good ones for about $50 US.
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August 13, 2011 10:33:55 PM

http://www.google.se/imgres?q=Packard+bell+ipower+x3.0&...

sorry for the massive link, anyways, thats the case, its a medium tower i think,, the Motherboard i dont think is an micro atx 1..all i know is that it hosts an intel core i7 and my old ati radeon hd 5570.
I browsed around for midtowers just incase, and it hit me that: How do i know if the psu i just ordered will fit into my case? the case is a midtower im pretty sure of :D 

// Dextr
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August 13, 2011 10:35:53 PM

jyjjy said:
Ignore factory overclocks. What you want to do is look for a card with good cooling and overclock on your own. The MSI Twinfrozr card are good choices as are the Asus DirectCU cards.


I see, thanks mate, il go for the MSI 1 then, im gonna use afterburner afterall since i read alot that its pretty neat!
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a c 214 U Graphics card
August 13, 2011 11:09:22 PM

That actually looks like a very nice case.Not a micro tower at all.Everything should fit just fine.

Your actually suppose to measure everything before you buy it.Sorry I forgot to add that.
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August 13, 2011 11:12:59 PM

No worries, it should fit tho....right? Arent the sizes universal? like 1-3sizes overall? or are there hundreds of diffrent sizes of the PSU´s etc?
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a c 214 U Graphics card
August 13, 2011 11:17:44 PM

They vary depends on the company that makes it and how they got and which componets they used to make it.

Here's the measurements for the GS800 power supply.

5.9" x 3.4" x 6.3"

Here's measurements for the MSI Twin Frozr IIGTX560ti.

(L)9.37" x (W)4.37" x (H)1.46"

Your cause looks like a Mid-Tower so usually all Mid-Tower's can fit those types of things.
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August 13, 2011 11:19:10 PM

Thanks mate, your very helpfull! Sorry, what does (W) stand for? as english aint my native languish i dont understand the shortages
nvm :D 
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August 13, 2011 11:31:41 PM

purple stank said:
They vary depends on the company that makes it and how they got and which componets they used to make it.

Here's the measurements for the GS800 power supply.

5.9" x 3.4" x 6.3"

Here's measurements for the MSI Twin Frozr IIGTX560ti.

(L)9.37" x (W)4.37" x (H)1.46"

Your cause looks like a Mid-Tower so usually all Mid-Tower's can fit those types of things.


Thanks mate! I guess thats all to it! Your help has been invalueble! Until prolly something screws up, take care :)  Thanks again
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a c 214 U Graphics card
August 13, 2011 11:45:16 PM

W=Width.

I'll do them again in metric.Should have done that the first time.

GPU

23.8cm x 11cm x 3.7cm

PSU

15cm x 8.6cm x 16cm

I don't know which is the length ,width, and height but i'm sure you'll figure that out.Hope this helped.
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August 13, 2011 11:48:14 PM

purple stank said:
W=Width.

I'll do them again in metric.Should have done that the first time.

GPU

23.8cm x 11cm x 3.7cm

PSU

15cm x 8.6cm x 16cm

I don't know which is the length ,width, and height but i'm sure you'll figure that out.Hope this helped.


Thanks mate! Il report back to this thread and tell u how it all worked out..btw..does Afterburner include in the box or do i need to buy it?
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a c 214 U Graphics card
August 13, 2011 11:50:05 PM

Ususally it comes as a CD with the card but you can always download it for free.MSI also has a benchmark program that goes with MSI Afterburner called MSI Kompbuster although they can be used seperatly if need be.
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August 13, 2011 11:59:36 PM

Is afterburner user friendly or is it a real hassle? and what if i OC it to high? will it go up in flames or just stop working?
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a c 214 U Graphics card
August 14, 2011 1:05:21 AM

It's simple enough.I have it and it only took me a couple mins to figure everything out.Be careful though because some settings can damage the card.I remember that I was mess around with a custom fan setting and I forgot to turn it on and it overheated the card a little.It's simple but you got to be cautious.

In terms of O.C.ing you can only go so far with a certain amount of voltage before the card crashes.Most of the time if your put the clocks to high that it's not get enough voltage it will just crash but you'll still be in Windows.Other times(rare times) it will crash the whole computer and you will have to restart.To get higher clocks you have to increase the voltage a little and repeat until your happy with it or until you've reached the limitations of the card and/or heat.
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a b U Graphics card
August 14, 2011 1:25:03 AM

I have the asus direct cu II gtx 560 ti and it oc's like a beast; honestly making very little reason to get a gtx 570 imo, personally I'd get that or the MSI twin Frozr II and oc yourself, I have no experience with the Gigabyte but if you can get it for the right price it is a great performer as well
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August 14, 2011 1:54:59 AM

jjb8675309 said:
I have the asus direct cu II gtx 560 ti and it oc's like a beast; honestly making very little reason to get a gtx 570 imo, personally I'd get that or the MSI twin Frozr II and oc yourself, I have no experience with the Gigabyte but if you can get it for the right price it is a great performer as well


How much FPS do u have in games like Badcompany 2, black ops, metro, left4dead2 ,crysis 2 etc? Im currently stuck AGAIN between the 570,560ti twin frozr, 6950,SOC 560ti from gigabyte or the asus 560ti.
If anyone could give me their personal experience or just give me a recomendation for a good card that has good bang for the buck please.
I will OC if i must to get good fps. My CPU is an intel core i7 860 and 6g ram..thanks guys for the constant replies! :D 

//Dextr
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a b U Graphics card
August 14, 2011 1:59:34 AM

Bad Company 2 im well over 60 fps 99% of the time, dont have metro or crysis, but im sure it would max out lfd2, black ops, and bfbc2

like I said before personally I'd get the
ASUS direct cu II or MSI Twin Frozr II gtx 560ti

and overclock to near gtx 570/hd6970 speeds
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a c 214 U Graphics card
August 14, 2011 2:06:44 AM

I was playing Crysis 2 with my 6870 and getting over 60fps but that was in the BETA.I've heard it's become very demanding now that they've released the DX11 package.

BFBC2 i was getting 55FPS with no A/A or A/F.You should be able to get in the 60's with a GTX560ti and a i7.It's really CPU demanding so your i7 should be up to the job.

Have you O.C.'d your i7 at all?
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a b U Graphics card
August 14, 2011 2:11:34 AM

"just give me a recomendation for a good card that has good bang for the buck please"

An aftermarket gtx 560ti
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a c 214 U Graphics card
August 14, 2011 4:23:47 AM

^I agree.The GTX560ti is a great card for the money.
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August 14, 2011 3:58:29 PM

Thanks guys!, my i7 is a last generation tho, will it still be up for CPU demanding tasks? its a quadcore as stated bfor. Im either going for the MSI Twinfrozr 560ti and gonna OC it to 1ghz, i have not OC my Cpu at all as im afraid to rend it useless. So, take the msi 560ti and oc it to 1ghz or wait for the next line of cards the 7xxxx and the 6xxx series? If i wait the cards price will drop drastically wont it? And they will release around BF3s launch and its mainly BF3 im gearing up for. Thanks guys! You are very helpfull!

//Dextr
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a c 214 U Graphics card
August 14, 2011 4:30:05 PM

Well here's the thing.Although the GTX560ti and the 69xx/68xx series are very good cards their made on a 40nm chip which is only a 5nm decrease from the previous generation.This new generation, soon to be released, will use a 32nm or 28nm chip which is a dramatic increase in performance potential.Although the performance will probably be good, as always with brand new cards, their prices will be extremely high making your decison very justifable.I would do the same as I've learned when i bought my 6870 it was $240 and now they sell for $180.
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August 14, 2011 4:50:59 PM

I guess il wait then? And when it comes to the MSI brand of the 560ti´s, thereis 1 hawk edition that has a coreclock at 950 MHZ and then the twinfrozr 1 with 880MHZ, is it wort 15dollars more for the guaranteed 1ghz speed or should i just oc myself and take the risk?
So, i should wait, thats whats your saying?

//Dextr
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a c 214 U Graphics card
August 14, 2011 5:00:05 PM

Yah, I would suggest waiting but it could be a while.It took about 3+ months for the prices of the 5850 to drop when the 6850/6870 were released.Even the GTX460 was very cheap to compete with the 6850/6870 but then they raised the prices again to what they are now.Marketing prices are very hard to plan ahead it's always up and down.You just got to get it at the right time.

The Hawk use's the same heatsink as the Twin Frozr II.Just that the Lightening and Hawk editions usually come with high factory O.C.'s and a different overall look.$15 does seem a lot for something you can do on your own but since they've already got it stable at 950mhz it wouldn't be a bad idea.
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August 14, 2011 6:08:51 PM

I see, well a little of topic here if i may: Does SLI improve performance alot? and is 2x 560tis better then 1 570? And is it possible to OC an XFX 6950 to a 6970? or is it better to just flash it to a 6970? is it a good chance that it will flash without a problem and, is a 6950 OC at factory better then a 1ghz 560t?Still cant decide, since a XFX6950 is the same price as an 560ti Hawk 950MHZ atm wherei live, the 6950 is a sure go then right? Thanks
Sorry for pouring on questions :) 
//Dextr
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a c 214 U Graphics card
August 14, 2011 6:48:12 PM

I thought I answered that 6950 flashing question before.Even though I don't reccomend it my input on that is,it's not very difficult to O.C. to the clocks from a 6950 to a 6970 but it only yeilds about a 5fps increase.Just O.C.ing the 6950 to 6970 clocks speeds isn't what the flashing is about.The flashing is for unlocking the extra shaders that the 6970 has.A I said before I don't reccomend it because it's risky and not fullproof.Also don't forget you need a reference design 6950 in order to flash the BIOS to a 6970.

SLI scaling has improved a lot with the GTX5xx series.A GTX560ti SLI is more powerful than a single GTX580 by a large amount.

I would easily choose the Hawk over the XFX 6950.
XFX makes good cards but none of their cards can compare to the cooling that the MSI cards can.

http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/NVIDIA/GeForce_GTX_5...
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August 14, 2011 6:53:59 PM

Sorry for asking the same thing twice :( , anyways, it looks BLOODY awesome the sli 560ti´s, If i get 1 hawk now, and another 1 down the road, i will prolly be able to play bf3 at max with like 40+ fps right? and will my i7 860 bottleneck my sli cards?
And if i get the Hawk, its useless to OC right? just plug in ,install drivers n play ? And , which setup fares the best and is the most ´´future proof´´? Crossfire 6950´s (not flashed only overclocked at factory) or 2x sli 560ti´s hawk msi? I guess the 560ti wins here right? since its oc like hell at 1ghz? and the 6950 from what i´ve heard is pretty useless and a money waster if u dont flash it?
Thanks mate!

//Dextr
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