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October 13, 2011 6:48:42 AM

Hi,
I am putting together a Desktop for watching stock market charts.
I will be connecting 12 Monitors ( Dell U2412M x 24 inch, 1920x1200 ) to this desktop.

Mostly I will be using 2 stock applications & couple of Word Docs & some webpages simultaneously.

OS will be Windows -7 ( Ultimate )

I will be using three ATI FirePro 2460 Graphics cards. ( I did a lot of research & chose these Low Profile cards ) AMD has specifically designed these cards for stock market applications & are used by many professionals.

I am not sure but Intel i7 2600 3.4 GHz processor should be enough ?

I am thinking about 8 GB GB DDR3 RAM

I need one DVD-RW

I guess Onboard Sound would be good enough.

Although I don’t have a budget restriction & want to build the best system, I am limited to the parts available where I am located. So you guys need to pick the parts from the following 2 websites. I am importing graphics cards since they are not available here.

http://www.theitdepot.com/
http://www.deltapage.com/

Thank You all.

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October 13, 2011 9:19:27 PM

Most boards that come with an LGA 1155 socket don't have enough PCI-E slots, so you will have to spend quite a bit on the MB. This is unfortunate because you'll get a lot of features you don't need.

Asus Maximus IV Extreme-Z 32GB DDR3 Intel Motherboard
http://www.theitdepot.com/details-Asus+Maximus+IV+Extre...

G.skill RAM
http://www.theitdepot.com/details-G.skill+Ripjaws-X+8GB...

DVD burner
http://www.theitdepot.com/details-Sony+24X+High+Speed+D...

Seagate 1TB Drive (one or two depending on needs)
http://www.theitdepot.com/details-Seagate+Barracuda+1TB...

SSD
http://www.theitdepot.com/details-SanDisk+120GB+Ultra+S...

Corsair 800D case
http://www.theitdepot.com/details-Corsair+Obsidian+Seri...

Seasonic 560W Modular Power Supply (SS-560KM)
http://www.theitdepot.com/details-Seasonic+560W+Modular...
The video cards seem to have very low power requirements, so we need to keep the PSU fairly small. This is one of the best.
October 14, 2011 8:25:42 AM

Would following Motherboard work ?

Asus P8Z68-V Intel Z68 ATX

If above board works, then which Case would be best ?

Can I have 12 GB RAM or do I have to go for either 8 GB OR 16 GB ?

Thanks
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October 14, 2011 10:40:43 AM

There are several different Asus P8Z68-V, but it makes no difference as all of them have two PCI-E slots.

You have said you will run 12 monitors from 3 PCI-E cards, so you will need 3 PCI-E slots.
A less expensive option would be the ASRock P67 EXTREME6. It's not available at either place you listed or any other site I know of in India.
I did find a less expensive gigabyte board:
http://www.theitwares.com/gigabyte-gap67aud7b3-1155-int...

In theory you could have 12GB of RAM, but I recommend buying a matched set to avoid any hassles. 16Gb is not so expensive
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

October 14, 2011 11:35:25 AM

Yes, I am going to use 3 Video Cards & they need three PCIe x16 slots.

I am little confused.

Asus P8Z68 V has following :

http://www.theitwares.com/asus-p8z68v-1155-intel-hdmi-s...

What is that Black PCIe x16 slot ? With it doesn't it make a total of 3 PCIe x16 ?

Expansion Slots
PCI Express 2.0 x16
2 x PCI Express 2.0 x16 slots (single at x16 or dual at x8 / x8 mode)
1 x PCI Express 2.0 x16 slot [black] (max. at x4 mode, compatible with PCIe x1 and x4 devices)
PCI Express x1
2
PCI Slots
2

Also one company selling PCs for traders uses same 3 video cards & Asus P8P67 Pro motherboard. It also has similar slots.

http://www.theitwares.com/asus-p8p67-revision-1155-inte...


Expansion Slots
PCI Express 2.0 x16
2 x PCIe 2.0 x16 (single at x16 or dual at x8/x8 mode)
1 x PCIe 2.0 x16* [Black] (max. at x4 mode, compatible with PCIe x1 and x4 devices)
*The PCIe x16_3 slot shares bandwidth with PCIe x1_1 slot, PCIe x1_2 slot, USB3_34 and ESATA12. The PCIe x16_3 runs at x1 mode by default for system resource optimization.(PCIe x1_2 will be disabled.)
PCI Express x1
2
PCI Slots
2


How do they do it ?

Just trying to learn & appreciate all your help.


















a c 91 B Homebuilt system
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October 14, 2011 6:12:39 PM

12 monitors??? :o 

Anyway I'd suggest a Crossfire setup similar to this one. The thing is I'm unsure if you can run Crossfire in a triple card configuration - especially when the most basic level motherboards only support 2 x PCI-e 2.0 slots like you indicated. I'd go with an Eyefinity setup at the very least. The Radeon 6990 is the only consumer-level card that will run up to six monitors with one card, but they're currently pretty pricey but you could check it out at least:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Or alternately, you could move to a professional level card like the Fire Pro 9800 but they're insanely expensive and running two in Crossfire mode, that costs more than most used cars do.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

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October 14, 2011 10:34:18 PM

That's covered by the cards he's getting, please read the thread :) 

Georgetok, I'm just not sure. The description from Asus says that slot supports x1 and x4 devices only, and the cards are X16... but should be backwards-compatible. I know the boards I have linked will do the job because they have a special controller on board that handles the PCI-E bandwidth more efficiently.

That controller mostly benefits gaming rigs that link cards together via crossfire or SLI technology however. I imagine the ATI FirePro 2460 does not actually use x16 bandwidth or even x8... but will it work without it? I don't know.

October 15, 2011 2:29:50 AM

Proximon said:
That's covered by the cards he's getting, please read the thread :) 

Georgetok, I'm just not sure. The description from Asus says that slot supports x1 and x4 devices only, and the cards are X16... but should be backwards-compatible. I know the boards I have linked will do the job because they have a special controller on board that handles the PCI-E bandwidth more efficiently.

That controller mostly benefits gaming rigs that link cards together via crossfire or SLI technology however. I imagine the ATI FirePro 2460 does not actually use x16 bandwidth or even x8... but will it work without it? I don't know.


Thank you Proximon.

You have raised some serious questions & I have already ordered three FirePro 2460 from ebay & they are on its way. So there is no going back on them.

Now question is do I want to take Risk ordering wrong motherboard ? If it doesn't work I cannot get money back or exchange it here in India. Here once you pay it is yours & no returns or exchange.

So paying more sounds a better deal & might save me lot of trouble down the road.

I still did more digging around & it seems Asus P8P67 Pro is very popular & someone is using Intel DX58S0 with 3 FirePro 2460 Cards.

I am lost.




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October 15, 2011 3:25:17 AM

Isn't Intel DX58S0 an LGA 1366 motherboard? The X58 chipset handles PCI-E bandwidth better, and such a board would work. You would have to use a different processor though. Last gen i7s.

The P8P67 Pro has the same setup as the P8Z68 V. I use the P8P67 Pro myself, but I only have one video card :)  If someone is successfully running three cards on one I would say that's a good sign.
October 15, 2011 4:31:38 AM

Proximon said:
Isn't Intel DX58S0 an LGA 1366 motherboard? The X58 chipset handles PCI-E bandwidth better, and such a board would work. You would have to use a different processor though. Last gen i7s.

The P8P67 Pro has the same setup as the P8Z68 V. I use the P8P67 Pro myself, but I only have one video card :)  If someone is successfully running three cards on one I would say that's a good sign.


Is it possible to plug the video card you are using in that Black PCIe x16 slot & see if it works ?

Most places are describing it as 1 x PCI Express 2.0 x16 slot [black] (max. at x4 mode, compatible with PCIe x1 and x4 devices)

So may be it is 3rd PCIe x16 slot that functions at only 4X ?


If that is the case, may be FirePro 2460 functioning at 4X might be good enough for my stock market applications & that is why some people are recommending it ?
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October 15, 2011 5:19:50 AM

Yes, might, may be, etc. That's what I'm saying. How about we get some more opinions at least? Start a thread in the Motherboard section and ask specifically about the board and three ATI FirePros running in non-crossfire mode.

Post a link to the thread here and I'll make sure others with knowledge pay attention to it.

I would probably title it "Three workstation video cards on a X16, x8, x4 board?"

Then give specifics.
October 15, 2011 5:41:56 AM

Proximon said:
Yes, might, may be, etc. That's what I'm saying. How about we get some more opinions at least? Start a thread in the Motherboard section and ask specifically about the board and three ATI FirePros running in non-crossfire mode.

Post a link to the thread here and I'll make sure others with knowledge pay attention to it.

I would probably title it "Three workstation video cards on a X16, x8, x4 board?"

Then give specifics.


Good idea. Let me just do that.

Thanks
October 15, 2011 6:01:55 AM

Proximon said:
Yes, might, may be, etc. That's what I'm saying. How about we get some more opinions at least? Start a thread in the Motherboard section and ask specifically about the board and three ATI FirePros running in non-crossfire mode.

Post a link to the thread here and I'll make sure others with knowledge pay attention to it.

I would probably title it "Three workstation video cards on a X16, x8, x4 board?"

Then give specifics.


OK it is done & here is the link.

http://www.tomshardware.com/forum/299049-30-three-works...

By the way, thank you for that "theitwares" site. I did lot of googling but never came across that.

a c 91 B Homebuilt system
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October 15, 2011 9:49:45 PM

Proximon said:
That's covered by the cards he's getting, please read the thread :) 

Georgetok, I'm just not sure. The description from Asus says that slot supports x1 and x4 devices only, and the cards are X16... but should be backwards-compatible. I know the boards I have linked will do the job because they have a special controller on board that handles the PCI-E bandwidth more efficiently.

That controller mostly benefits gaming rigs that link cards together via crossfire or SLI technology however. I imagine the ATI FirePro 2460 does not actually use x16 bandwidth or even x8... but will it work without it? I don't know.


I did actually - OP wants to run 12 monitors across three cards, but the motherboard he's getting only has 2 x PCI-e x2.0 slots correct? So if the 3 cards all require the same slot, then wouldn't one of them take a significant power hit? So why don't you run the 6990 which can configure six monitors on one card, and six monitors on the other card. You can get a lesser PSU (650 - 850 watt instead of a 1200 watt) and save money that way. Problem solved.
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October 15, 2011 10:35:47 PM

It's $710 US for a single 6990 and $705 US for all three ATI Firepro cards... So you actually save $715 US by NOT using 6990s

The power requirement of all three of those cards will be less than two 6990s at idle.
a c 91 B Homebuilt system
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October 15, 2011 11:08:33 PM

So how many monitors does that typical Fire Pro card support? I couldn't find it on Newegg.

And I wasn't referring to the power required by the PSU, I meant to say power - performance wise, because I've ran PCI-e 2.0 cards in 1.0 slots on the motherboard, and the performance drops drastically. So my question is wouldn't running the third card in the last slot cause the performance of the third card to drop?
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October 15, 2011 11:44:10 PM

Here you go

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

No, not likely because it's just 2D applications and they are not going to use much bandwidth. The problem is actually a bit more technical. The third PCI-E slot on the less expensive boards does not even go through the same controller.

The first two slots are controlled by the CPU directly. The third slot is controlled by the chipset, P67 or Z68 depending on the board.
October 16, 2011 1:07:03 AM

g-unit1111 said:
I did actually - OP wants to run 12 monitors across three cards, but the motherboard he's getting only has 2 x PCI-e x2.0 slots correct? So if the 3 cards all require the same slot, then wouldn't one of them take a significant power hit? So why don't you run the 6990 which can configure six monitors on one card, and six monitors on the other card. You can get a lesser PSU (650 - 850 watt instead of a 1200 watt) and save money that way. Problem solved.


Not so fast.

I looked at most 6 port cards.

ATI 6870 is half the price with 6 ports.

But due to lot of dust & humidity, I didn't want a card with moving parts like fan. I am having hard times with my window A/C & have to clean it really good every 2 months & same with PC fans. On top of that I won't get any support here.

ATI FirePro 2460 is designed for traders, no moving parts, small footprint & consumes less than 20 watts.

To top it I got a really good deal on them ( 30% Cheaper ) on ebay.

With that setup I will need less than 500 Watts PSU, though to be safer & expansion pupose I might get 750 Watts.

Now if all the geeks can agree on a Motherboard that will support this setup, I will be happy.
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October 16, 2011 2:52:08 AM

georgetok said:
Not so fast.

I looked at most 6 port cards.

ATI 6870 is half the price with 6 ports.

But due to lot of dust & humidity, I didn't want a card with moving parts like fan. I am having hard times with my window A/C & have to clean it really good every 2 months & same with PC fans. On top of that I won't get any support here.

ATI FirePro 2460 is designed for traders, no moving parts, small footprint & consumes less than 20 watts.

To top it I got a really good deal on them ( 30% Cheaper ) on ebay.

With that setup I will need less than 500 Watts PSU, though to be safer & expansion pupose I might get 750 Watts.

Now if all the geeks can agree on a Motherboard that will support this setup, I will be happy.


Why not go with an EVGA FTW series? I think that has at least 3 PCI-e 2.0 slots.

Go with the Z68 FTW - it has no less than six PCI-e x2.0 slots.
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October 16, 2011 3:20:42 AM

I have suggested a few boards that will definitely support the cards. The problem is they are very expensive there. He has at least one Asus and one Gigabyte board available that have NF200 chips. (like the EVGA)
October 16, 2011 3:51:54 AM

g-unit1111 said:
Why not go with an EVGA FTW series? I think that has at least 3 PCI-e 2.0 slots.

Go with the Z68 FTW - it has no less than six PCI-e x2.0 slots.


Looks good but not available where I live.

Any other adavntage besides 6 slots ?
October 16, 2011 4:05:43 AM

Proximon said:
I have suggested a few boards that will definitely support the cards. The problem is they are very expensive there. He has at least one Asus and one Gigabyte board available that have NF200 chips. (like the EVGA)


There is one more Gigabyte that has Z68

But still more expensive.

Any advantage of it Proximon ?


http://www.theitwares.com/gigabyte-gaz68xud7b3-1155-int...
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October 16, 2011 4:26:09 AM

No advantage with the Z68 in your case. The P67 version is all you need. I do have a few other online stores listed....

You know, perhaps we are doing this wrong. What if we change the platform entirely? Do you really need all that computational power?

Gigabyte 890FX AM3 board
http://www.theitwares.com/gigabyte-ga890fxaud5-890fx-sa...

AMD Phenom II X6 1100T Black Edition
http://www.theitwares.com/phenom-1100t-black-edition-th...

There's a board that will support all three cards for less, and a 6-core processor that will do nicely. It's not as fast as the Intel CPU, but are you really going to be doing that much computationally?
October 16, 2011 7:07:34 AM

Proximon said:
No advantage with the Z68 in your case. The P67 version is all you need. I do have a few other online stores listed....

You know, perhaps we are doing this wrong. What if we change the platform entirely? Do you really need all that computational power?

Gigabyte 890FX AM3 board
http://www.theitwares.com/gigabyte-ga890fxaud5-890fx-sa...

AMD Phenom II X6 1100T Black Edition
http://www.theitwares.com/phenom-1100t-black-edition-th...

There's a board that will support all three cards for less, and a 6-core processor that will do nicely. It's not as fast as the Intel CPU, but are you really going to be doing that much computationally?


We are doing it right.

And yes, speed is extremly important especially when you are doing daytrading where many times you are in & out of a trade in less than 3 minutes.

More info very quick means more $ if you can analyze & interpret that info faster than your opponent & multi monitor systems do just that. When I started I thought 3 monitors would be great but with the latest development in software & hardware even 12 don't seem enough. Here I am talking about my analysis & style of trading but for some people even 6 monitors might be too much. It's a personal choice. I would rather have 6 extra monitors & faster rig than scrambling all over the place looking for the chart that would give me an edge & get me in & out faster & at a better price.

So every dollar spent on a hardware is worth it. You do want a rig better than your competitor. Besides it just feels good.

As I am spending more time with you guys, I feel compelled to build a powerful rig that won't go out of style in 6 months.

Right now the bottleneck is the motherboard & looking back I keep asking myself a simple question : Is it worth it to spend so much time to save $100.00 on motherboard ?

Your idea of going for a definite 3 or more PCIe x16 slot motherboard makes more sense.

If that is the case, what brand is better ? Asus, Gigabyte or EVGA ?

Gigabyte that we looked has 4 & EVGA suggested has 6 but I will have to order EVGA thru ebay.

I am open to suggestions.

Thank You.



October 16, 2011 7:15:46 AM

Sometimes back, there were quite a few traders in this forum. I hope they would come across this thread & share their experience.
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October 16, 2011 4:35:03 PM

I've helped many traders and you are the first that wanted 12 monitors :) 

I get what you are saying, but I think you need to be careful about what you call speed. Your data connection and the GPU draw-to-screen are going to play the biggest parts in that scenario, not your CPU.

But you are right, you need to feel confident that you have the fastest machine possible. You should go with the Asus board I originally linked. That will also give you a 4th expansion slot should you need to add even more monitors.

Change the SSD to this one though:
http://www.bitfang.com/corsair-force-series-cssd-f120gb...
Faster, better warranty.

This Bitfang store has the MB for less
http://www.bitfang.com/asus-maximus-iv-extreme-lga-1155...

CPU
http://www.bitfang.com/intel-core-i7-2600k-desktop-proc...

RAM
http://www.bitfang.com/g-skill-f3-12800cl9d-8gbsr-8-gb-...

So if that's a legit company you probably end up saving a good bit.
October 18, 2011 3:51:45 AM

Proximon said:
I've helped many traders and you are the first that wanted 12 monitors :) 

I get what you are saying, but I think you need to be careful about what you call speed. Your data connection and the GPU draw-to-screen are going to play the biggest parts in that scenario, not your CPU.

But you are right, you need to feel confident that you have the fastest machine possible. You should go with the Asus board I originally linked. That will also give you a 4th expansion slot should you need to add even more monitors.

Change the SSD to this one though:
http://www.bitfang.com/corsair-force-series-cssd-f120gb...
Faster, better warranty.

This Bitfang store has the MB for less
http://www.bitfang.com/asus-maximus-iv-extreme-lga-1155...

CPU
http://www.bitfang.com/intel-core-i7-2600k-desktop-proc...

RAM
http://www.bitfang.com/g-skill-f3-12800cl9d-8gbsr-8-gb-...

So if that's a legit company you probably end up saving a good bit.



I don't think they would give any discount online. Plus in India it is better to pick up the hardware at their shop than have them ship it.

Yet better would be to have a local hardware store get it for you & that way in case of a problem you can approach them directly & it will be their job to get you the exchange.



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October 18, 2011 6:38:33 AM

That seems smart to me as well. I can see myself handling it the same in that circumstance. Before we had the big online stores here I used to get everything through a small local shop, or slightly larger stores an hour away.
October 21, 2011 1:10:46 AM

Proximon said:
That seems smart to me as well. I can see myself handling it the same in that circumstance. Before we had the big online stores here I used to get everything through a small local shop, or slightly larger stores an hour away.


Yep.

What I am trying to put together, they never heard of it.

I talked to couple of local stores & they can get it what I want but it takes time & 20 to 30 % higher price. Hmmm........

I am trying to buy those 12 Monitors & talked to Dell. They told me they don't offer Monitors online like systems & I have to buy them from their sub contractors who are far from where I live.

I also read that someone bought the same Monitor from Dell ( USA ) when he had problem with it, Dell asked for service tag number & monitors don't come with service tag number so Dell said they can't help without service tag number.

So I asked Dell here & they told me they can get me those monitors from their sub contractors but Dell wil give support. So I asked him to have his supervisor send me an e mail to effect but he didn't & sales guy told me don't worry we will give you service & sent me an e mail with that statement but didn't mention about service tag.








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