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January 12, 2012 11:27:24 PM

I know this question is a bit over asked but I'm wondering what is better for my situation. All I use my computer for is playing games like WoW and a bit of fps. My graphics card is fine(Nvidia gtx550ti) but I need to upgrade my processor( current is quad core at 2.4 ghz intel). What i really want from this cpu upgrade is a bit better gaming performance but mostly better multitasking and overall computer speed because my current build is really slow at multitasking and when i try to stream my gameplay it just lags like crazy. I am aware that intel is of a higher quality than amd but Im on a really tight budget. I have to replace my cpu my mobo ram and my case since someone told me its too small. I don't want to spend too much money so I was looking at the AMD FX 4100 and the phenom x5,x6 and it looked nice but is it really that bad? I mean if it works fine and it lasts then i see no reason why not to go amd but if there will be problems then i dont mind spending the extra bucks on an intel processor. Can someone fill me in?

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January 12, 2012 11:30:27 PM

your cpu is fine, your gpu sucks.
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January 12, 2012 11:31:00 PM

Quality wise they are the same but Intel has the performance crown with their I5 new series. Any PhenomII X4 or X6 will beat the FX4100 in gaming!
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January 13, 2012 1:13:57 AM

esrever said:
your cpu is fine, your gpu sucks.


For WoW, his GPU is fine if he's comfortable at moderate/default settings. His processor won't handle anything higher than that anyway.
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January 13, 2012 1:25:03 AM

his cpu is more than powerful enough for wow, he'd be able to max the game if he had a slightly better gpu.

the 550 ti is crap, he'd see a lot more improvement if he just got a more powerful gpu. Even a 6850 would make everything run smoother.

I doubt its his cpu when wow will only use 2 cores and he has 2 more cores free to do anything that the streaming requires. might be ram issues. The gpu is currently the weakest link.
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January 13, 2012 1:39:17 AM

the thing is is that wouldnt a 6850 be bottlenecked by my cpu? its an intel core 2 quad... i clearly wrote my graphics werent the problem(i run high to ultra with decent frames) its just that my multitasking sucks really bad. I can't have more than 3 windows up or ill start lagging
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January 13, 2012 1:43:44 AM

WoW is a CPU bound game. My Q9550 + GTX460 1GB couldn't even "max the game". My i5 2400 + GTX460 1GB became a slide show in raids on "Ultra".
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January 13, 2012 1:46:47 AM

cause the 460 isn't meant to play the game on ultra...

the c2q is more than enough for multitasking. how much ram do you have? and are you trying to do stuff while the game runs?
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January 13, 2012 1:48:02 AM

naminaterzzz said:
the thing is is that wouldnt a 6850 be bottlenecked by my cpu? its an intel core 2 quad... i clearly wrote my graphics werent the problem(i run high to ultra with decent frames) its just that my multitasking sucks really bad. I can't have more than 3 windows up or ill start lagging


A 6850 is just a tad bit faster than your GTX550Ti. The performance difference wouldn't be worth the price.

multi-tasking is just as much memory intensive as it is cpu intensive....and in some cases more so.

What version of Windows?? How much memory do you have installed? What is your memory usage while "multi-tasking"???
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January 13, 2012 1:50:09 AM

the 6850 is 40% faster than the 550ti. and I was referring to it because it was a low end upgrade.

Im guessing OP just needs more ram.
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January 13, 2012 1:51:48 AM

esrever said:
cause the 460 isn't meant to play the game on ultra...

nVidia and Blizzard both say otherwise.....

According to nVidia, the GTX460 is capable of maintaining 60fps using the "Ultra" preset at 1920x1200...
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January 13, 2012 1:58:06 AM

esrever said:
the 6850 is 40% faster than the 550ti. and I was referring to it because it was a low end upgrade.

Im guessing OP just needs more ram.


6850 is not 40%.... lol. In most cases, it's 10-20% faster. It only exceeds that in rare cases. Best case is only 30%.
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January 13, 2012 2:01:12 AM

oaky imrunning windows vista service pack 2 and i have like 4 gb of ram rofl its still ddr2 i think and the speed is like 1000ish
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January 13, 2012 2:01:35 AM

sykozis said:
6850 is not 40%.... lol. In most cases, it's 10-20% faster. It only exceeds that in rare cases. Best case is only 30%.



I actually mean its 50% faster.
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January 13, 2012 2:05:02 AM

naminaterzzz said:
oaky imrunning windows vista service pack 2 and i have like 4 gb of ram rofl its still ddr2 i think and the speed is like 1000ish
vista has problem with ram and allocating it while you have a lot of stuff open but it should be too much of a problem. describe what you mean by lag more?

More ram is probably going to do more than a cpu for amount of money spent.
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January 13, 2012 2:08:53 AM

okay i think i didnt make this clear im not lagging in game in fact im running perfectly in game its just when i try to stream my gameplay or fraps iit i get spikes. Also in just general use, my computer is a bit slow with different programs up. I do want a slight upgrade with graphics since im getting a new cpu but i want just better multitasking with gaming
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January 13, 2012 2:09:46 AM

you need more ram then.

also you need more gpu if you are frapping.
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January 13, 2012 2:12:43 AM

so i should just buy like some phenomx4 3.0 ghzish witha cheap mobo that supports 1866 ram and get like 16gb or ddr3
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January 13, 2012 2:28:37 AM

depends on what you really want. Your gpu is quite weak and you would not see much gain in performance from a large cpu upgrade as a c2q are more than enough for anything thats not gaming. In games you wouldn't see much change because the gpu is not the strongest but it is enough for wow.

8 gb of ddr3 1600 ram is enough and you'd see very little difference going higher, only noticeable in benchmarks. ddr2 ram is also not much slower so 8 gb of ddr2 would also do and you'd still not notice the different in everyday tasks.

a phenom x4's multitasking isn't too much higher than a c2q, you'd only notice it in gaming so its not much of an upgrade in terms of that. I would think it would be hard to tell the difference between a cpu for general multitasking with even the fastest cpus you can buy as cpus were plenty fast when they made the c2qs and software having bumped up requirements.

Fraps needs a lot of gpu, ram and cpu headroom, I suggest not recording unless you lower settings. your cpu is still more than enough for frapping wow.

depending on your budget, the best to do might be just to buy more ram. To get a phenom 2 isn't worth the minimal $200 considering how much performance you'd get out of it.
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January 13, 2012 3:51:25 AM



How many people play benchmarks? That is a nicely skewed benchmark chart right there. My GTX460 1GB never dropped below 16fps running 3DMark11@1920x1080....yet that chart shows 10fps@1280x1024. Also, that chart doesn't show which test is being run. I'd expect to see lower framerates on the GPU Physics test or the tesselation test. At any rate, of the actual game benchmarks I viewed, 1 test showed roughly a 30% difference, the others showed a 10-20% difference. Unless he's going to go to at least an HD6870, HD6950 or GTX560Ti....the minor gain doesn't justify the cost.
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January 13, 2012 4:10:02 AM

sykozis said:
How many people play benchmarks? That is a nicely skewed benchmark chart right there. My GTX460 1GB never dropped below 16fps running 3DMark11@1920x1080....yet that chart shows 10fps@1280x1024. Also, that chart doesn't show which test is being run. I'd expect to see lower framerates on the GPU Physics test or the tesselation test. At any rate, of the actual game benchmarks I viewed, 1 test showed roughly a 30% difference, the others showed a 10-20% difference. Unless he's going to go to at least an HD6870, HD6950 or GTX560Ti....the minor gain doesn't justify the cost.

you have no idea what you are talking about. There is no way you can run 3dmark11 @ 1920x1080 without buying it and if you did, you'd get 5 fps...

http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/Powercolor/HD_6850_S...
go check the gaming performance differences they are linked in the same review, its 20-80% difference between the 550 ti and the 6850

35% increase in performance at 1920x1200 and 42% increase in performance at 2560x1600.
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January 13, 2012 4:20:37 AM

SOOO WILL GETTING AN AMD FX 6100 WITH SOME 8 GB RAM ddr3 1600 BE A dECENT UPGRADE?
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January 13, 2012 4:24:04 AM

If wow is cpu bound you could overclock. You could probably get at 3ghz with stock voltage
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January 13, 2012 4:28:04 AM

naminaterzzz said:
SOOO WILL GETTING AN AMD FX 6100 WITH SOME 8 GB RAM ddr3 1600 BE A dECENT UPGRADE?
go with a phenom II x4 or x6. They are better than the FX.
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January 13, 2012 10:09:43 AM

id recommend overclocking your CPU before getting a new 1, besides if it all blows up in your face, you have a good reason to go out and get a new CPU
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January 13, 2012 11:57:38 AM

esrever said:
go with a phenom II x4 or x6. They are better than the FX.

Absolutely true, but OP, if you can afford it, since you're replacing your mobo and RAM anyway, an Intel CPU will give you much better performance, even a locked one like an i5-2400; you won't need to buy a separate HSF if you do that, and you can get a fairly cheap H61 or H67 mobo.
Of course, if your budget loosens, then by all means get the i5-2500K and a 120mm aftermarked HSF so you can overclock it, but you'll need a P67 or Z68 mobo.
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January 13, 2012 7:07:32 PM

Phyrexiancure said:
If your case supports micro atx you could buy this http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

the boards is of decent quality so it won't die as long as you don't up the voltage by much. Also DDR3 ram is very cheap 8 gigabytes of ram will cost around 50 dollars.

WTF? Buying a socket 775 mobo today makes no sense if a goal is greater performance and not merely repair of an existing system.
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January 13, 2012 7:24:07 PM

guys, please focus on the task at hand

more memory i think is a necessary upgrade... DD3 is so ultra cheap right now...

i think its time to get a new mobo / go phenom series and some dd3 and u should be straight.... and windows 7 64 bit
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January 14, 2012 2:37:38 AM

esrever said:
you have no idea what you are talking about. There is no way you can run 3dmark11 @ 1920x1080 without buying it and if you did, you'd get 5 fps...


Ummm...I did buy 3DMark11. I don't game at 1280x720 (the default resolution for the Performance setting)....nor at 1024x600 (default resolution for the Entry setting), so...it doesn't exactly make sense to benchmark at those resolutions. So, since I can actually afford to pay for my software to get all it's features, I start by going to the "Advanced" tab and clicking on the "Reset to Performance Level" button, then I increase the resolution from 1280x720 to 1920x1080.

Being a non-standard 5:4 ratio....it makes no sense at all to use 1280x1024 for benchmarking.

naminaterzzz said:
SOOO WILL GETTING AN AMD FX 6100 WITH SOME 8 GB RAM ddr3 1600 BE A dECENT UPGRADE?


Save some money and buy an Intel Core i5....2300, 2400, 2500, 2500K, makes little difference which one unless you plan to overclock it. Either way you'll get better performance.
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January 14, 2012 2:45:09 AM

Does wow already automatically implement dx11? If it doesn't you could get decent performance boost by enabling it. Also if you are going to do a amd cpu upgrade the phenom ii 960t offers a lot of value. But this cpu only gets its true value if your willing to overclock and unlock its working disabled cores. This cpu with decent enough motherboard and 8GB of ddr3 ram would be at about $250. If you choose intel the automatic suggestion would be the i5 2500k, but like the 960t you must be willing to overclock for it to be worth it. The total for this would be about $350. Make sure you choose a decent quality motherboard when overclocking so you won't kill it. Gigabyte from my experience uses better quality parts for budget boards than a company like MSI. I killed an msi board once since it was barely designed to handle stock settings. Also if you can, make sure you have a side fan blowing on your motherboard to keep it cool.
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January 14, 2012 3:07:52 AM

Phyrexiancure said:
Does wow already automatically implement dx11? If it doesn't you could get decent performance boost by enabling it since you gpu is the bottleneck.


Nope, WoW defaults to DX9 still.
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January 14, 2012 3:14:12 AM

sykozis said:
Nope, WoW defaults to DX9 still.


Well then I guess you'll have do this then, add '-d3d11' to your World of Warcraft shortcut. Or, open your config.wtf file (located in ...\World of Warcraft\WTF\) and add the line SET gxApi "d3d11". This could give you up to a 30% boost if your cores and memory aren't fully utilized.
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January 14, 2012 3:49:17 AM

Could you find out what type of case you have? If its small it might fit micro atx motherboards which would mean you could keep it but be limited to only micro atx and itx motherboards. Here is a amd motherboard for micro atx cases that is decent, it will also automatically shut down if the motherboard gets to hot instead of dying which is nice.

GA-78LMT-S2P
you can find one at newegg.com
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January 14, 2012 4:30:27 AM

sykozis said:
Ummm...I did buy 3DMark11. I don't game at 1280x720 (the default resolution for the Performance setting)....nor at 1024x600 (default resolution for the Entry setting), so...it doesn't exactly make sense to benchmark at those resolutions. So, since I can actually afford to pay for my software to get all it's features, I start by going to the "Advanced" tab and clicking on the "Reset to Performance Level" button, then I increase the resolution from 1280x720 to 1920x1080.
3dmark is designed to scale with resolution so you don't have to be at 1080p to run it and get the whole picture. Maybe you ran 3dmark06 but in 3dmark11 the 460 can't even do 30 fps on the default p resolution. Even crossfire 7970 don't run 1080p as well as you claim your 460 does.
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January 14, 2012 5:45:32 AM

it's a tough call on the graphics, but when it comes to CPU choices, go with phiix4 or a core I3-2100 class CPU. I'd avoid BD chips any day.
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January 14, 2012 4:50:19 PM

Phyrexiancure said:
Well then I guess you'll have do this then, add '-d3d11' to your World of Warcraft shortcut. Or, open your config.wtf file (located in ...\World of Warcraft\WTF\) and add the line SET gxApi "d3d11". This could give you up to a 30% boost if your cores and memory aren't fully utilized.


No need to do either. Open WoW...go to the options screen, click on the advanced tab. The option is located there.

esrever said:
3dmark is designed to scale with resolution so you don't have to be at 1080p to run it and get the whole picture. Maybe you ran 3dmark06 but in 3dmark11 the 460 can't even do 30 fps on the default p resolution. Even crossfire 7970 don't run 1080p as well as you claim your 460 does.


You finally said something right....

I get 28fps on the default Performance preset. Of course, that's the only part you got right....
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January 14, 2012 5:38:42 PM

naminaterzzz, sorry about all the distractions. I would think that 4GB of RAM ought to be enough to run the game and FRAPS without a lot of lag. I'm assuming you don't have a lot of other things loaded at the same time.
Back to your original question, if you are going to replace your mobo and RAM anyway, an Intel CPU will give you better performance. If that isn't in your budget, a Phenom II X4 or X6 will severely embarrass a FX-4100. If you get a 960T, you've got a guaranteed X4 that many people have been able to unlock to a X6.
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