Advice for new PC, primarily for business

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Approximate Purchase Date: Between now and after holiday season

Budget Range: Approximately $3,000 US

System Usage from Most to Least Important:

Business/Work stuff mostly: Running Multiple VMs of varying sizes simultaneously, running 4x 24" LCDs at 1920x1200, working on large, complex visio diagrams and excel spreadsheets, running Cisco Movi without it bringing the system to its knees, converting video from one format to another....

I'd also like to be able to play an occasional game at an insanely high resolution.

Parts Not Required: Keyboard, mouse, monitors, speakers

Preferred Website(s) for Parts: Newegg, I built my last 2 PCs from parts bought from them.

Country of Origin: US

Parts Preferences: None, I have no loyalty


Overclocking: Maybe, but not so important


SLI or Crossfire: Only if a single GPU cannot meet my needs.


Monitor Resolution: 1920x1200, and eventually higher, on 4 LCDs (or more at some point.

Additional Comments: I would like a quiet PC that doesn't act like a space heater. I'm looking at SSDs for my OS and VM drives, just not sure which ones. Looking through the forum, the ASRock Z68 Extreme7 Gen3 looks like a good motherboard, I especially like the 10 SATA ports onboard. When I was looking at an AMD rig, the ASUS EAH6950 DCII/2DI4S/2GD5 Radeon HD 6950 2GB caught my eye as well.

I am an IT consultant by trade, I specialize in planning, design, implementation and support for enterprise videoconferencing for a global Tier 1 carrier. I run multiple VMs at any given time, some for remote access, others for testing and demonstration purposes. I would like to be able to run at least 4 or 5 VMs simultaneously and still be able to use the PC for web conferencing and presentations, Visio, Excel, Word, etc. As mentioned above, I have four 24 inch LCDs running at 1920x1200, and since gaming isn't a priority anymore, if I can get away with a single video card, that would be nice, but I have no real objections to running SLI or Crossfire to get what I want, which is stable performance across 4 or more displays.

My current PC is a 2.6 Ghz core 2 quad with 8 GB of RAM, with 2x 8800 GTX video cards and a couple TBs of hard drive space.
 
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Those socket 1155 boards support more RAM, but as it is the RAM manufactures only have 4GB sticks...
http://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductList.aspx?Submit=ENE&N=100007583%2050001459%20600006302&IsNodeId=1&name=ATX%20Mid%20Tower <----- some cases to have a look at.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817207017 $154.99 - $124.99 after mail-in rebate
XFX PRO850W XXX Edition Semi-Modular 80 Plus Silver Certified 850 Watt Active PFC Power Supply

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813157269 $274.99 FREE SHIPPING
ASRock Z68 Extreme7 Gen3 LGA 1155 Intel Z68 HDMI SATA 6Gb/s USB 3.0 ATX Intel Motherboard

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819115070 $314.99 FREE SHIPPING
Intel Core i7-2600K Sandy Bridge 3.4GHz (3.8GHz Turbo Boost) 4 x 256KB L2 Cache 8MB L3 Cache LGA 1155 95W Quad-Core Desktop Processor BX80623I72600K

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16835103099 $34.99 FREE SHIPPING
COOLER MASTER Hyper 212 EVO RR-212E-20PK-R1 Continuous Direct Contact 120mm Sleeve CPU Cooler Compatible with latest Intel 1366/1155 and AMD FM1/AM3+

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820233197 $104.99 FREE SHIPPING
CORSAIR Vengeance 16GB (4 x 4GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1600 (PC3 12800) Desktop Memory Model CML16GX3M4A1600C9

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814127581 $386.99
MSI R6970 Lightning Radeon HD 6970 2GB 256-bit GDDR5 PCI Express 2.1 x16 HDCP Ready CrossFireX Support Video Card

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814127581 $386.99
MSI R6970 Lightning Radeon HD 6970 2GB 256-bit GDDR5 PCI Express 2.1 x16 HDCP Ready CrossFireX Support Video Card

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16827135204 $18.99 Free shipping w/ promo code EMCJKJG22, ends 10/19
ASUS 24X DVD Burner - Bulk 24X DVD+R 8X DVD+RW 12X DVD+R DL 24X DVD-R 6X DVD-RW 16X DVD-ROM 48X CD-R 32X CD-RW 48X CD-ROM Black SATA Model DRW-24B1ST/BLK/B/AS - OEM

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822136792 $149.99 FREE SHIPPING
Western Digital Caviar Black WD2002FAEX 2TB 7200 RPM 64MB Cache SATA 6.0Gb/s 3.5" Internal Hard Drive -Bare Drive

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820148443 $382.99 FREE SHIPPING
Crucial M4 CT256M4SSD2 2.5" 256GB SATA III MLC Internal Solid State Drive (SSD)

Total: $2,191.91 *not including shipping, rebates, case, and o/s

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16832116992 $139.99 FREE SHIPPING
Microsoft Windows 7 Professional SP1 64-bit - OEM

 

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Wow, thanks!

3 questions about the above recommendations.

1) Any thought to spending another $200 on the 6 core i7? Am I going to see the performance benefit while doing lots of virtualization?

2) What would your recommendation be for 24 GB of RAM?

3) What were your thoughts about the mid-tower vs. full tower?
 

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1)nope, cause the i7 2600k is better than the last generation of i7's
2)i'd say just stick with 16gb
3)full tower would be bigger, and allow for plenty of space for dual hd 6970s

however, if you do 6970 cfx, you'll also be able to game fairly well across all three monitors. You could still power all three monitors off one 6970, though, but the actual in-game performance would start to drop
 


1) I don't know enough about VM to give an honest answer. I don't know if it takes advantage of extra cores or not. If so, then I would wait another month or two for the release of Sandy Bridge-E which is the replacement for Intel socket 1336 and will support 24GB of RAM (6 RAM slots) unlike socket 1155 which supports 16GB (4 RAM slots).

2) See answer #1

3) What Corsair and some Cooler Master call mid towers are larger than a lot of other manufactures so called full towers. Antec full towers for example. If you do the H x L x W on any Antec full tower, it's going to fall short of say the Cooler Master Storm Sniper mid tower or any of those Corsair mid towers.

http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/core-i7-3960x-x79-performance,3026.html <---- Some good information on Sandy Bridge-E
 

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OK, I'm a bit confused now.
The mobo specified supports up to 32 GB of RAM, but the processor/socket only supports 16?


I did a bit of digging, and the workstation version of the VMWare product I use doesn't really give me as much processor affinity as I am used to on ESXi, so not so concerned about a 6 core CPU, other than to have one just to be able to say I have a 6 core workstation.....really not worth $200.

The RAM, on the other hand, the more the better. I have environments I used to simulate on ESXi that when properly built for integration testing, consume over 10-12 GB of RAM between several active virtual machines.
 

Those socket 1155 boards support more RAM, but as it is the RAM manufactures only have 4GB sticks available atm. So 4 RAM slots = 16GB. After looking at those Sandy Bridge-E benchmarks I have to lean towards the socket 1155 2600K. But if it comes down to the extra 8GB of RAM, then it looks like it's going to be Sandy Bridge-E for you.

On a good note with that Asrock board...it's set up for the new 22nm Ivy Bridge cpu's due out in April/May along with PCI-E 3.0 for the new generation vid cards which Ivy Bridge supports. So there's your upgrade path in that respect. Also the 2700K will be out here any day/week. It's a small step up from the 2600K.

http://www.asrock.com/mb/overview.asp?Model=Z68%20Extreme7%20Gen3 <----- A better look at that board

http://www.asrock.com/microsite/PCIe3/ <----- PCI-E 3.0 and Ivy Bridge

http://www.asrock.com/microsite/IntelZ68/index.asp <----- Z68 Features

http://www.tweaktown.com/reviews/4272/asrock_z68_extreme7_gen3_intel_z68_motherboard_review/index.html <----- Review of that board with benchmarks

http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/z68a-gd80-p8z68-deluxe-z68xp-ud5,3025.html <----- Review of that board done here on Toms. It earned Tom’s Hardware Best Enthusiast-Class Award
 
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