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January 15, 2012 7:50:23 PM

Right so I thought I would throw the video in there just maybe to clear somethings up and I don't have thing installed upside down and so forth. I have no idea what the problem is and I have not overclocked anything to that can't be the problem, and help right now is much needed lol.

Cheers People ;) 

Best Regard Cain.

Link to the video; http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kUQyLnYdMjs audio is missing but still i think you can see the problem.

More about : boot video

January 15, 2012 8:17:23 PM

Oh and btw I'm using ASUS M4N75TD
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January 15, 2012 8:21:09 PM

Hi :) 

In case you didnt notice this is a text forum...for people like me (Computer pros) if you cannot be bothered to type it..i wont bother to waste my time watching a video which wont have any information like machine specs etc...

All the best Brett :) 
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January 16, 2012 5:50:25 AM

Brett928S2 said:
Hi :) 

In case you didnt notice this is a text forum...for people like me (Computer pros) if you cannot be bothered to type it..i wont bother to waste my time watching a video which wont have any information like machine specs etc...

All the best Brett :) 


What a pointless message, take a few minutes to watch the video. Machine specs are irrelevant. Not sure why I'm bothering to reply back to a useless post.

:sleep: 
January 16, 2012 10:00:38 AM

All hail self-proclaimed computer pro Brett, he's pretty much solved the problem.
/sarcasm

Can you post a list of system specs as well as a description of the video? I can't watch it at work. What were you doing before the system stopped being able to boot? Has anything changed in regards to your hardware or software configuration? Can you get to POST?
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January 16, 2012 11:23:15 AM

Hi :) 

Lol..that was PRECISELY my point...a video will NOT show system specs....

All the best Brett :) 
January 16, 2012 11:26:44 AM

Brett928S2 said:
Hi :) 

Lol..that was PRECISELY my point...a video will NOT show system specs....

All the best Brett :) 


...But if your pro then looking at the video should tell you the problem...right...okay

all the best Cain :) 
January 16, 2012 11:30:20 AM

namelessmuffin said:
All hail self-proclaimed computer pro Brett, he's pretty much solved the problem.
/sarcasm

Can you post a list of system specs as well as a description of the video? I can't watch it at work. What were you doing before the system stopped being able to boot? Has anything changed in regards to your hardware or software configuration? Can you get to POST?


Cheers for the decent reply,

The problem occurs when booting up all the fans spin up and so forth looks like it might post but nothing comes up on the display. Now it all powers up correctly such and lights, and led's. Just no picture. I have moved the GPU from the first slot to second to see if that fixes the problem but it does not. The video will show you exactly what happens because it's hard to explain.

AMD Phenom II X6 1055t
Noctua NH D14
ASUS M4N75TD
8GB RAM
Corsair 750w PSU
GTX 460 Superclocked.

Cheers for any help you may provide.
January 16, 2012 11:50:35 AM

Have you tried the graphics card in a different system? Changed the RAM? Reset the BIOS?
January 16, 2012 11:56:18 AM

knight_of_baawa said:
Have you tried the graphics card in a different system? Changed the RAM? Reset the BIOS?


Thats not possible, I don't have another system just lying around. I will try and boot with only one stick of ram hang about.
January 16, 2012 12:04:35 PM

Sounds like the system boots up okay, has the number of BIOS beeps changed? It may be a faulty GPU or that the PSU is not delivering enough power to all of your components. I'd try booting with onboard graphics. :) 
January 16, 2012 12:12:47 PM

namelessmuffin said:
Sounds like the system boots up okay, has the number of BIOS beeps changed? It may be a faulty GPU or that the PSU is not delivering enough power to all of your components. I'd try booting with onboard graphics. :) 


Motherboard does not have onboard graphics, not beeps not nothing. However this may just be my ears but I do believe I heard so electrical crackling (The sound if you move the power cable around the your tv that weird noise) Well I heard that coming from the wall when I was close. Maybe the PSU?
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January 16, 2012 1:44:18 PM

As I mentioned in the MOBO section, "Breadboard with the stock HSF".

If you don't have another GPU then try simply pulling the GPU and observe the boot behavior.

I doubt the Corsair Professional Series HX750 is the problem unless it's damaged from brown/black outs or bad voltage spike in your area.
January 16, 2012 1:47:42 PM

jaquith said:
As I mentioned in the MOBO section, "Breadboard with the stock HSF".

If you don't have another GPU then try simply pulling the GPU and observe the boot behavior.

I doubt the Corsair Professional Series HX750 is the problem unless it's damaged from brown/black outs or bad voltage spike in your area.



Why do I need to use the stock heatsink? Do you think the NH D14 is bad?
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January 16, 2012 2:01:55 PM

Often an improperly installed e.g. Metal Backplate/Standoff <=> MOBO (HSF) can cause a short/grounding short then you get all sorts of oddball behavior. You have a simple system and it's less time to Breadboard than it is to mess around with other 'guesses.'

Q - What about my Q above, "simply pulling the GPU and observe the boot behavior."? What's the behavior?
January 16, 2012 2:09:34 PM

jaquith said:
Often an improperly installed e.g. Metal Backplate/Standoff <=> MOBO (HSF) can cause a short/grounding short then you get all sorts of oddball behavior. You have a simple system and it's less time to Breadboard than it is to mess around with other 'guesses.'

Q - What about my Q above, "simply pulling the GPU and observe the boot behavior."? What's the behavior?


Seems the same, i cant see anything because motherboard does not have onboard GPU
January 16, 2012 2:13:44 PM

jaquith said:
Often an improperly installed e.g. Metal Backplate/Standoff <=> MOBO (HSF) can cause a short/grounding short then you get all sorts of oddball behavior. You have a simple system and it's less time to Breadboard than it is to mess around with other 'guesses.'

Q - What about my Q above, "simply pulling the GPU and observe the boot behavior."? What's the behavior?


I forgot to mention around 2 months ago the problem was happening when I put the PC into sleep mode, all fans would spin up after it comes out of sleep but no image would appear.
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January 16, 2012 2:29:56 PM

This was an 'observation' is that the GPU probably isn't the root cause.

Q - What changes or upgrades did you make just prior to this problem?

Seems like it's Breadboard time.
January 16, 2012 2:38:53 PM

jaquith said:
This was an 'observation' is that the GPU probably isn't the root cause.

Q - What changes or upgrades did you make just prior to this problem?

Seems like it's Breadboard time.


I don't know where the stock heatsink is lol.

Breadboarding is removing, RAM, GPU, HDD, Optical bays correct? But remember my motherboard does not have a onboard GPU
January 16, 2012 2:41:24 PM

jaquith said:
This was an 'observation' is that the GPU probably isn't the root cause.

Q - What changes or upgrades did you make just prior to this problem?

Seems like it's Breadboard time.


The problem happened the second I build the PC one year ago but it only happened maybe once every 6 weeks so I forgot about it. It then started to occur more often around july to about once every 2 weeks, then in November it would not come out of it's sleep state. Then here we are not boot or post at all.
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January 16, 2012 3:11:20 PM

Breadboarding is to reduce the PC down to its' minimum working configuration (Post/Boot): MOBO on a 'paper box', 1 stick of RAM, PSU, {GPU}, stock HSF - boot. The start adding stuff or if needed swap (1) stick for another; see the manual for what DIMM slot to use.

All too often I see:
Screw -> Metal backplate || MOBO || Standoff | etc
Best:
Screw -> Metal backplate | Plastic washer || MOBO || Plastic washer | Standoff | etc
<or>
Screw -> Plastic backplate || MOBO || Plastic washer | Standoff | etc

Not to mention too much or too little pressure installing the HSF.

While I appreciate aftermarket HSF manuals I know better. Also, you could have an I/O shield short or a standoff short or simply a 'bad' component.

When I install a MOBO I use plastic washers between the Case | Standoff | Plastic washer || MOBO | <- Screw held in position with a dab of silicone. It works and I never have grounding/shorting issues. The Plastic washer is very thin.
January 16, 2012 4:39:38 PM

jaquith said:
Breadboarding is to reduce the PC down to its' minimum working configuration (Post/Boot): MOBO on a 'paper box', 1 stick of RAM, PSU, {GPU}, stock HSF - boot. The start adding stuff or if needed swap (1) stick for another; see the manual for what DIMM slot to use.

All too often I see:
Screw -> Metal backplate || MOBO || Standoff | etc
Best:
Screw -> Metal backplate | Plastic washer || MOBO || Plastic washer | Standoff | etc
<or>
Screw -> Plastic backplate || MOBO || Plastic washer | Standoff | etc

Not to mention too much or too little pressure installing the HSF.

While I appreciate aftermarket HSF manuals I know better. Also, you could have an I/O shield short or a standoff short or simply a 'bad' component.

When I install a MOBO I use plastic washers between the Case | Standoff | Plastic washer || MOBO | <- Screw held in position with a dab of silicone. It works and I never have grounding/shorting issues. The Plastic washer is very thin.


Going to do this bread boarding method. Going to looks for the stock heatsink however I have moved 2 times since the PC was built and frankly it could be anywhere, what surface should I but the motherboard on. Some paper lol?
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January 16, 2012 4:57:28 PM

The Noctua NH-D14, by the look of things, is heavy an bumps can actually cause micro cracks an ruin a MOBO moving it around.
January 16, 2012 5:12:19 PM

jaquith said:
The Noctua NH-D14, by the look of things, is heavy an bumps can actually cause micro cracks an ruin a MOBO moving it around.


Just found the problem then if you say it causes cracks... it was been moved around and knocked around a little. Are these cracked see-able with the naked eye?
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January 16, 2012 5:20:31 PM

No, not really. You'd have to bend <or> use dye on the MOBO -- neither of which I recommend. I had one post where the OP pressed too hard inserting the RAM and pooched their MOBO in the process.

If the MOBO is still under warranty, ASUS is typically 3 years, RMA the MOBO with ASUS.
January 16, 2012 5:23:02 PM

jaquith said:
The Noctua NH-D14, by the look of things, is heavy an bumps can actually cause micro cracks an ruin a MOBO moving it around.


Pulled this from the Noctua site, and cant RMA board since I dont have proof of purchase or box anymore. I got it off amazon and normally when this happens it all goes everywhere due to excitement :pfff: 

Is the high weight dangerous for the CPU or socket?
No. Noctua coolers possess an extremely reliable SecuFirm™ mounting system. Even transporting the pc with the cooler installed is entirely safe. Thanks to the screw connection with the backplate on the rear side of the motherboard, the exceedance of the weight recommendations by Intel and AMD common among high-end coolers is completely unobjectionable.
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January 16, 2012 5:38:11 PM

Not going to debate you. It's the G-force shock from a drop or hard bump. I've see PCIe get ripped-off the MOBO from a small 1~2 foot drop.

Again, try the Breadboard as I recommended. Otherwise we're going in circles.
January 16, 2012 6:31:40 PM

jaquith said:
Not going to debate you. It's the G-force shock from a drop or hard bump. I've see PCIe get ripped-off the MOBO from a small 1~2 foot drop.

Again, try the Breadboard as I recommended. Otherwise we're going in circles.


There was no debate, I just found it during searching. Right going to breadboard now. I don't understand the GPU situation can you explain please, if I take it out then how do I know if anything has changed? That the only part that I don't understand fully.

Oh and is it okay if I just put the motherboard on a dinning room table ;0) I can't find the motherboard box.
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January 16, 2012 6:39:00 PM

I mentioned (2) GPU issues. In particular to you, if the GPU was totally bad then removing it would/could allow it to boot. Lastly, I mentioned that large GPU(s)/HSF can indeed damage a MOBO (shipping or dropping). I've seen the PCIe slot get ripped-off the MOBO during shipping with them installed. Subsequent to this it's common for pre-built systems to box separately the GPU(s) for the end User to install upon receipt.
January 16, 2012 6:46:59 PM

jaquith said:
I mentioned (2) GPU issues. In particular to you, if the GPU was totally bad then removing it would/could allow it to boot. Lastly, I mentioned that large GPU(s)/HSF can indeed damage a MOBO (shipping or dropping). I've seen the PCIe slot get ripped-off the MOBO during shipping with them installed. Subsequent to this it's common for pre-built systems to box separately the GPU(s) for the end User to install upon receipt.


" if the GPU was totally bad then removing it would/could allow it to boot." Sorry for keeping you, but how would i know if it does boot if the GPU is not connected and I can't see anything.
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January 16, 2012 6:58:33 PM

'I' don't need to 'look' at a PC to know it's booting, I know what is both looks like on the MOBO but most importantly the sound of an OS loading. In you case it's super simple, you had a stall -- if the stall was gone you'd know it. Your video sits on the MOBO/Case 90% of the time - why?? Because it was stalled and showing its' symptoms there.
January 16, 2012 7:57:03 PM

jaquith said:
'I' don't need to 'look' at a PC to know it's booting, I know what is both looks like on the MOBO but most importantly the sound of an OS loading. In you case it's super simple, you had a stall -- if the stall was gone you'd know it. Your video sits on the MOBO/Case 90% of the time - why?? Because it was stalled and showing its' symptoms there.


Right I done everything you said and nope same problem, the monitor still says 'no signal'. I also think the power supply decided it was hungry and ate a rubber screw thing. However all still works.

So I had

CPU
NH D14
1 stick ram
and the GPU

NO - HDD, Optical Drive, or case fans.

For some reason I have a gut feeling it might be the GPU...But really not sure. Some expert unput from you is needed...again :sol: 
January 17, 2012 5:47:09 AM

jaquith said:
'I' don't need to 'look' at a PC to know it's booting, I know what is both looks like on the MOBO but most importantly the sound of an OS loading. In you case it's super simple, you had a stall -- if the stall was gone you'd know it. Your video sits on the MOBO/Case 90% of the time - why?? Because it was stalled and showing its' symptoms there.


Are you out of ideas dude? I suppose it looks like I'm getting a new system then lol. Perfect opportunity to move into Intel.
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January 17, 2012 10:44:42 AM

Now it's down to: HSF, CPU, MOBO and GPU. You need to start replacing parts.

In a Computer Shop they'd start with the stock HSF then GPU then CPU and lastly MOBO that is assuming the PSU is okay. There's no magic it's a process of elimination.

January 17, 2012 11:15:11 AM

jaquith said:
Now it's down to: HSF, CPU, MOBO and GPU. You need to start replacing parts.

In a Computer Shop they'd start with the stock HSF then GPU then CPU and lastly MOBO that is assuming the PSU is okay. There's no magic it's a process of elimination.


Right Just ordered a 2600k and the motherboard I believe you suggested in the other thread, I will just the same GPU and PSU and if it still does not work then It's those two. I will keep you updated. Will order mobo now.
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