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October 17, 2011 1:16:11 PM

Okay so, I'm building a gaming PC and I would like to have your take on my parts choice. I will probably be purchasing this rig around Christmas time, I understand a lot will change, and I will adjust. But, as of now I am asking how my build looks. In my pricing down below I will include rebates but they won't be the deciding factor that will make or break a decision. I will be needing peripherals, but I have a separate budget for those and I will also list those.

PC Components:
CPU - Intel Core i5 2500k Processor - http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820220557

Motherboard - MSI P67A-GD65 - http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820220557

GPU - MSI N560GTX Ti Hawk - http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814127578

CPU Cooler - Xigmatek Gaia - http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16835233082

PSU - XFX PRO750W XXX Edition - http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817207016

HDD - Samsung Spinpoint F3 1TB - http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822152185

RAM - Patriot Gamer 2 Series 8GB (4GB x 2) - http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820220557

Case - Thermaltake Level 10 GT White - http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811133192

Okay so those are my parts. The total for all of them comes to $1200.90. Rebates bring the final price down to $1150.90. Yes I understand the thermaltake case is a lot of cash but I just can't buy anything else knowing I could have had that sick case. Unless you can create a real compelling argument for another case I am sticking with the Level 10. I will eventually integrate water cooling, and I will purchase all that later. Along with the water cooling I will SLI a second GTX 560 Ti, or upgrade to a whole new set of GPUs, it just depends on what comes out and what drops in price. I am planning to play BF3 and World of Warcraft with this computer, so if you see anything that might be a better choice (besides the case of course). My apologies if any of the links are broken, just post a reply on the thread and I will fix it.

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October 17, 2011 1:32:26 PM

Seems like you have a pretty solid build there. The link for the motherboard leads to the memory. Why not go Z68? This one seems like a good deal and it has 5 year warranty! http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

You make a good point about the case, but spending 25% of your budget on a case seems a bit off for me. You could spend ~$120 and use the savings to invest in an SSD, Motherboard, and certainly the GPU. Like you said, if you are really set on the case then go for it. :p 

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October 17, 2011 1:50:28 PM

Yes, get a cheaper case and get a Crucial M4.
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October 17, 2011 2:39:23 PM

Yeah...spending more on the case than the graphics is probably not ideal. But if what your'e really saying is tha tyou've got about a $900 budget and you've already picked out the case then it looks fine. Maybe get a PSU from a different brand like Corsair, Antec, Seasonic, or PC Power & Cooling.
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October 17, 2011 3:13:35 PM

Your PSU is more than you need, you would be fine going with a 600W.

I also think if you are going to call it and "Epic Gaming Rig" you at least need a 60GB SSD and a Z68 mobo.

The reason you want to do this right now rather than upgrading to it later is because if you get this later you will have to wipe your hard drives and do a full reinstall of your entire machine. You can always move components from one case to another.

While I like the case, it is super overpriced. It boils down to whether you want a better computer or a cooler looking case.
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October 17, 2011 3:20:52 PM

Way overkill on the case. I got a NZXT mid tower for like $30 and it works great.
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October 17, 2011 3:41:03 PM

I also didnt notice before, but up your RAM to the 1600MHz version.
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October 17, 2011 7:46:42 PM

Ugh, I'm so torn I like that case so much. Its so beautiful. It has great features. But its so pricey. Hopefully it drops in price around Christmas time. So I made a couple changes.

The Motherboard

MSI Z68A-GD65 (Thank you ARchamps)

And the RAM

Patriot Gamer 2 Series 8GB (2 x 4GB)

And The case

Depending on what happens to the Level 10's price, I'll need suggestions for a good case. That looks good. I like the Corsair 600t White, but I am open to anything.

And an SSD

Crucial M4 64GB

I may or may not use the extra money i save to upgrade to a GTX 570 but I don't know how much I'm going to save.
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October 18, 2011 1:52:22 AM

Does anyone have any suggestions for a good GTX 570, I am really fond of the Twin frozr series, So I will probably go with an MSI GTX 570 with a Twin Frozr 3, but if it is not worth it please feel free to suggest something better.
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October 18, 2011 2:35:32 AM

im sorry but that is a fugly case, it'll look worse in person, trust me lol

dump it for a corsair 600t, save $120, move up to a gtx 570

your choice though...beauty is in the eye of the beholder i guess...
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October 18, 2011 2:47:05 AM

i would go with this:
Part list permalink: http://pcpartpicker.com/p/1PdX
Part price breakdown by merchant: http://pcpartpicker.com/p/1PdX/by_merchant

CPU: Intel Core i5-2500K 3.3GHz Quad-Core Processor ($204.99 @ Newegg)
CPU Cooler: Xigmatek GAIA SD1283 56.3 CFM CPU Cooler ($32.98 @ Newegg)
Motherboard: Gigabyte GA-Z68P-DS3 ATX LGA1155 Motherboard ($79.99 @ Newegg)
Memory: Mushkin Silverline 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory ($39.99 @ Newegg)
Hard Drive: Samsung Spinpoint F3 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($58.99 @ SuperBiiz)
Hard Drive: Crucial M4 64GB 2.5" Solid State Disk ($109.99 @ Newegg)
Video Card: MSI GeForce GTX 570 1.25GB Video Card ($289.99 @ Newegg)
Case: Corsair 600T White Graphite ATX Mid Tower Case ($159.99 @ Newegg)
Power Supply: PC Power & Cooling 750W ATX12V / EPS12V Power Supply ($89.99 @ Newegg)
Operating System: Microsoft Windows 7 Home Premium SP1 (64-bit) ($99.99 @ Newegg)
Total: $1166.89 (AFTER rebates)

if you go with an even cheaper case like the corsair 400r (which is the case i want), you should upgrade the mobo to an asrock gen 3 board
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October 18, 2011 2:56:31 AM

Okay, Ive Been researching and building PCs for about 2-3 years now and I have never seen asrock. Ive never seen a company gain so much fame that quickly. What makes their boards so good? And Call me stupid (please don't) but Why don't I get the twin frozr 3 570? Its cooler and cooler looking? I forgot about Mushkin, guess I just got caught up in the main brands of things.
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October 19, 2011 1:53:56 AM

Thank You, Feartrich your insight was very helpful, though harsh, and I have since changed my build to the 400r, However I am really fond of MSI's military hardware and MBs, I have many friends who build with MSI, and I really love their hardware. I also changed my PSU to the Corsair enthusiast 750w, I would like to know if that gives me enough room to SLI 2 570s with some room for overclock.
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October 19, 2011 2:23:04 AM

feartrich said:
CPU: Intel Core i5-2500K 3.3GHz Quad-Core Processor ($204.99 @ Newegg)
CPU Cooler: Xigmatek GAIA SD1283 56.3 CFM CPU Cooler ($32.98 @ Newegg)
Motherboard: Gigabyte GA-Z68P-DS3 ATX LGA1155 Motherboard ($79.99 @ Newegg)
Memory: Mushkin Silverline 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory ($39.99 @ Newegg)
Hard Drive: Samsung Spinpoint F3 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($58.99 @ SuperBiiz)
Hard Drive: Crucial M4 64GB 2.5" Solid State Disk ($109.99 @ Newegg)
Video Card: MSI GeForce GTX 570 1.25GB Video Card ($289.99 @ Newegg)
Case: Corsair 600T White Graphite ATX Mid Tower Case ($159.99 @ Newegg)
Power Supply: PC Power & Cooling 750W ATX12V / EPS12V Power Supply ($89.99 @ Newegg)
Operating System: Microsoft Windows 7 Home Premium SP1 (64-bit) ($99.99 @ Newegg)
Total: $1166.89 (AFTER rebates)


This is a good build, but three things things:

First, don't count on rebates - they're unreliable. Trying to guess whether you're getting a rebate or not is like trying to predict the weather. That build without rebates is probably still under $1250, so it's fine, but still.

Second, people who buy 60GB/64GB SSDs usually end up wishing they'd gotten a 120GB/128GB drive instead. You'll only be able to fit windows plus one or two large games on a 64GB drive and games are only getting bigger. If it were me, I would either spring for the 128GB version of the M4 for another $100 or get rid of the SSD altogether and put the extra cash somewhere else. SSDs are great, but they don't affect fps at all. The only gaming benefit you get from an SSD is faster loading times between levels and that is only if the game is stored on the SSD.

Also don't forget to grab any $20 optical drive.
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October 19, 2011 2:27:42 AM

mrwhit30ut said:
Thank You, Feartrich your insight was very helpful, though harsh, and I have since changed my build to the 400r, However I am really fond of MSI's military hardware and MBs, I have many friends who build with MSI, and I really love their hardware. I also changed my PSU to the Corsair enthusiast 750w, I would like to know if that gives me enough room to SLI 2 570s with some room for overclock.


750W is on the fringe, but no, it's probably not enough. I would say 850W if you want to have enough power for an overclock.

Some data here:
http://www.guru3d.com/article/geforce-gtx-570-sli-revie...
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October 19, 2011 3:26:15 AM

So I should up my PSU to an 850w? I should be able to OC with that? Any recommendations on 850w PSUs?
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October 19, 2011 3:36:06 AM

I'm looking at the Corsair Enthusiast 850w for 129.99. It puts me like $15 over budget Is there any other reputable PSUs for less than that?
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October 19, 2011 4:28:43 AM

I only found one PSU that I would trust for cheaper than that and it's only $5 cheaper.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

The reputable names are Corsair, Antec, Seasonic, and PC Power & Cooling in no particular order. You can probably look harder than I did to find a better deal on a different site.
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October 19, 2011 7:39:02 PM

Lets say I was to up my budget to $1500, What should I change? and what should I keep?
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October 19, 2011 8:03:14 PM

Go with a more reputable PSU, as mentioned, and go for a larger SSD.

I think you have a solid build... nothing much else I would change. :) 
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October 19, 2011 8:20:29 PM

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The MSI Twin frozr III is the best 570 you can buy.


+1

You do not need the GD65 motherboard by the way. You can save $30-40 and get the MSI Z68 GD55. Check out my build in my signature, I am very satisfied with my choices. My tower cost around $1400 I believe, a lot of the parts had promotional discounts.
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October 19, 2011 8:22:30 PM

mrwhit30ut said:
Does anyone have any suggestions for a good GTX 570, I am really fond of the Twin frozr series, So I will probably go with an MSI GTX 570 with a Twin Frozr 3, but if it is not worth it please feel free to suggest something better.


Unless you plan to overclock the 570 a lot, then you are spending a lot of money for nothing. You could save $60 and get a 570 from EVGA or Asus that would do good overclocks, just so long as you don't go crazy and your case has good airflow.

feartrich said:
i would go with this:
Part list permalink: http://pcpartpicker.com/p/1PdX
Part price breakdown by merchant: http://pcpartpicker.com/p/1PdX/by_merchant

CPU: Intel Core i5-2500K 3.3GHz Quad-Core Processor ($204.99 @ Newegg)
CPU Cooler: Xigmatek GAIA SD1283 56.3 CFM CPU Cooler ($32.98 @ Newegg)
Motherboard: Gigabyte GA-Z68P-DS3 ATX LGA1155 Motherboard ($79.99 @ Newegg)
Memory: Mushkin Silverline 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory ($39.99 @ Newegg)
Hard Drive: Samsung Spinpoint F3 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($58.99 @ SuperBiiz)
Hard Drive: Crucial M4 64GB 2.5" Solid State Disk ($109.99 @ Newegg)
Video Card: MSI GeForce GTX 570 1.25GB Video Card ($289.99 @ Newegg)
Case: Corsair 600T White Graphite ATX Mid Tower Case ($159.99 @ Newegg)
Power Supply: PC Power & Cooling 750W ATX12V / EPS12V Power Supply ($89.99 @ Newegg)
Operating System: Microsoft Windows 7 Home Premium SP1 (64-bit) ($99.99 @ Newegg)
Total: $1166.89 (AFTER rebates)

if you go with an even cheaper case like the corsair 400r (which is the case i want), you should upgrade the mobo to an asrock gen 3 board


I would get a more expensive board either way. Sorry, but a board that cheap just isn't going to be good for serious overclocking.

danraies said:

Second, people who buy 60GB/64GB SSDs usually end up wishing they'd gotten a 120GB/128GB drive instead. You'll only be able to fit windows plus one or two large games on a 64GB drive and games are only getting bigger. If it were me, I would either spring for the 128GB version of the M4 for another $100 or get rid of the SSD altogether and put the extra cash somewhere else. SSDs are great, but they don't affect fps at all. The only gaming benefit you get from an SSD is faster loading times between levels and that is only if the game is stored on the SSD.


Agree. Small SSD's are fail. However, you can get a 128 gb SSD and also get a 1 TB hard drive and put your windows file on your hard drive. Not too hard, but still a little bit of effort.

Oh, and if you try to balance your comp, then you should get a kick ass machine. I got one almost like yours, with monitor and keyboard but sans ssd.

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October 19, 2011 11:18:26 PM

get an antec 900 case or half 912... then spend the extra cash on a better mobo or gpu.
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October 20, 2011 1:05:18 AM

Good looking build... I went with this setup... came to 1301.00

I'm planning on running the SSD in Intel Fast response, so I was not looking for anything larger than 60GB atm.


Thermaltake Frio Overclocking-Ready Intel Core i7

Arctic Silver 5 Thermal Compound

Seagate Barracuda ST31000524AS 1TB 7200 RPM

OCZ Vertex 2 OCZSSD2-2VTXE60G 2.5" 60GB

CORSAIR Vengeance 8GB (2 x 4GB)

Intel Core i7-2600 Sandy Bridge 3.4GHz

OCZ ModXStream Pro 700W Modular High

EVGA SuperClocked GeForce GTX 570

ASRock Z68 Extreme3 Gen3 LGA 1155 Intel Z68

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October 20, 2011 3:38:11 AM

So Yea, Alot of discussion has gone on about this build since i first put it up so I just thought I would update the parts list for everyone.
Parts:

CPU - Intel i5 2500k

GPU - MSI N570GTX Twin Frozr III

RAM - Patriot Gamer 2 Series 8GB

HDD - SAMSUNG Spinpoint F3

Case - Corsair Carbide Series 400r

MoBo - MSI Z68A-GD55

Disk Drive - ASUS 24X DVD Burner

PSU - CORSAIR Professional Series HX850

CPU Cooling - Thermaltake Frio OCK

Okay so I have about 250$ to spend if I want to raise my budget to $1500, It has to be needed upgrades. SSD is really out of the question since I could care less about load times.
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October 20, 2011 6:21:12 AM

What you have there is a solid build - you would be happy with just those parts. However if you're looking to spend another $250...

I will first say that for $200 there is no better overall system upgrade than a 120GB/128GB SSD. However, as discussed that gives little if any gaming upgrade.

The obvious way to add another $150 or so is to go with a GTX 580 instead of the GTX 570. Two GTX 560ti would outperform both of those options for $500, but that obviously doesn't give you the upgradeability that a single card offers.

You could upgrade your mobo, too, if you wanted (to something with PCIe 3.0 and x16/x16 mode), but that won't give you much of an immediate performance boost. However it would likely let you re-use your mobo if you eventually upgraded to Ivy Bridge and a PCIe 3.0 video card.

This was already mentioned, but just make sure you're aware...the Twin Frozr III is one of the best 570s out there, but sometimes "best" isn't worth the money. The performance difference between that and an ASUS or EVGA model for $40 or $50 less isn't noticeable unless you're going to apply a heavy overclock. If you want to overpay for certain things, then that's perfectly fine - it's your money - but just know that's the situation with that particular card
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October 20, 2011 7:04:10 AM

mrwhit30ut said:
So Yea, Alot of discussion has gone on about this build since i first put it up so I just thought I would update the parts list for everyone.
Parts:

CPU - Intel i5 2500k PERFECT

GPU - MSI N570GTX Twin Frozr III Great

RAM - Patriot Gamer 2 Series 8GB Great

HDD - SAMSUNG Spinpoint F3 Good

Case - Corsair Carbide Series 400r Very Good

MoBo - MSI Z68A-GD55 Upgrade to MSI Z68-GD55 Gen3 which has PCI 3.0 for future upgrade ability.

Disk Drive - ASUS 24X DVD Burner Whatever

PSU - CORSAIR Professional Series HX850 Great

CPU Cooling - Thermaltake Frio OCK Good unless you want to step up to Noctua NH-D12

Okay so I have about 250$ to spend if I want to raise my budget to $1500, It has to be needed upgrades. SSD is really out of the question since I could care less about load times.


Crucial M4 SSD 128 or 64, both great drives, 128 is good for OS and top 5 games. Worth it for MMOs and quick loading times are very sexy.
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October 20, 2011 7:35:34 AM

mrwhit30ut said:
So I should up my PSU to an 850w? I should be able to OC with that? Any recommendations on 850w PSUs?


Hello :) , sorry to jump in so late. IMO you very much should go to the Corsair HX 850 PSU. It is on sale right now for $143 at Newegg and Corsair DOES get you the rebate. I have bought several things from them and they have always promptly sent me the rebate.

The Corsair HX 850 has the following advantages:

1. It will put out over 1000W and remain stable
2. It will run your setup at around 92% efficiency which means it will save you money on electricity (somewhere around $25 - $40 a year with heavy use).
3. It is one of the highest rated PSUs in existence
4. It has a 7-year warranty
5. You will be using about 50% of the PSU's capacity which is perfect because that is where it is most efficient
6. It will run silently in your case, a 650W PSU will go to high fan which will be VERY loud and annoying
7. It will run cool and it will not heat up your case like a 650W PSU
8. It is modular. This means you use (you can plug in the cables that you want) only the connecting cables that you need to build your system. Non-modular PSUs have ALL of their cables connected together in a tangled mess.
9. It will easily power you SLI setup
10. It is one of the most stable PSUs in existence which means it will not damage your components and you will get the best overclock

Someone will probably post that a 650W PSU is sufficient - yes but it is a poor choice for the above listed reasons.

I own the HX850 and it is a superb PSU.

You may want to look at the Corsair 650D and the Corsair Carbide 500. These cases offer some additional features that the Carbide 400 doesn't. However the 400 is a great case too. Especially if you install a fan in the top of the case. I own the 650D and I love it.

I second the recommendation to get a 120GB SSD. The Crucial M4 is very good, the Kingston Hyper X Extreme is also very good. The baddest 120 GB SSD on the planet right now is the Mushkin Chronos Deluxe (emphasize the deluxe) but it is also the most expensive of the bunch. The 120GB SSDs are the way to go right now.

If you can afford it, get a motherboard that is Ivy Bridge compatible and PCI-E 3.0 compliant. I own the AsRock Extreme 4 Gen 3 and I can recommend it.

Good luck with your build.
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October 21, 2011 12:18:43 AM

mrwhit30ut said:
So Yea, Alot of discussion has gone on about this build since i first put it up so I just thought I would update the parts list for everyone.
Parts:

CPU - Intel i5 2500k

GPU - MSI N570GTX Twin Frozr III

RAM - Patriot Gamer 2 Series 8GB

HDD - SAMSUNG Spinpoint F3

Case - Corsair Carbide Series 400r

MoBo - MSI Z68A-GD55

Disk Drive - ASUS 24X DVD Burner

PSU - CORSAIR Professional Series HX850

CPU Cooling - Thermaltake Frio OCK

Okay so I have about 250$ to spend if I want to raise my budget to $1500, It has to be needed upgrades. SSD is really out of the question since I could care less about load times.


Well, you could just do your $1250 budget that you came in with and skip the SSD.

I am not knocking SSD's, they are one of the biggest upgrades you can get. However, it should probably be the last "big" upgrade you get in terms of importance. You will only notice a good SSD when a game is loading. Most good 1 TB hard drives are plenty fast enough.

Also, to take full advantage of your SSD, you need to put a little more effort into setting up your system. You want to split up your files so that your big files that you don't care about in terms of load time are on your HDD (like windows) and your games are on your SSD.

danraies said:

The obvious way to add another $150 or so is to go with a GTX 580 instead of the GTX 570. Two GTX 560ti would outperform both of those options for $500, but that obviously doesn't give you the upgradeability that a single card offers.

You could upgrade your mobo, too, if you wanted (to something with PCIe 3.0 and x16/x16 mode), but that won't give you much of an immediate performance boost. However it would likely let you re-use your mobo if you eventually upgraded to Ivy Bridge and a PCIe 3.0 video card.

This was already mentioned, but just make sure you're aware...the Twin Frozr III is one of the best 570s out there, but sometimes "best" isn't worth the money. The performance difference between that and an ASUS or EVGA model for $40 or $50 less isn't noticeable unless you're going to apply a heavy overclock. If you want to overpay for certain things, then that's perfectly fine - it's your money - but just know that's the situation with that particular card


Another option would be to pocket the extra $250, wait a year or 18 months down the road, and upgrade whatever is nagging you then. $250 goes a long way towards bringing your system back up to snuff.

I mean, a 570 will tackle current games like a champ. Very few games will not be played at max setting and 60+ fps. However, games are already in development that will push your system to its max. So, if you get the right video card atm, you can overclock and make it last a little bit longer. Then, when your system isn't quite where you want it, use the $250 to buy either a matching 570 (which will be within your $250 budget) or buy a new high end card for around $350.
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October 21, 2011 12:33:56 AM

mrwhit30ut said:
Okay so, I'm building a gaming PC and I would like to have your take on my parts choice. I will probably be purchasing this rig around Christmas time, I understand a lot will change, and I will adjust. But, as of now I am asking how my build looks. In my pricing down below I will include rebates but they won't be the deciding factor that will make or break a decision. I will be needing peripherals, but I have a separate budget for those and I will also list those.

PC Components:
CPU - Intel Core i5 2500k Processor - http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820220557

Motherboard - MSI P67A-GD65 - http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820220557

GPU - MSI N560GTX Ti Hawk - http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814127578

CPU Cooler - Xigmatek Gaia - http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16835233082

PSU - XFX PRO750W XXX Edition - http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817207016

HDD - Samsung Spinpoint F3 1TB - http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822152185

RAM - Patriot Gamer 2 Series 8GB (4GB x 2) - http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820220557

Case - Thermaltake Level 10 GT White - http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811133192

Okay so those are my parts. The total for all of them comes to $1200.90. Rebates bring the final price down to $1150.90. Yes I understand the thermaltake case is a lot of cash but I just can't buy anything else knowing I could have had that sick case. Unless you can create a real compelling argument for another case I am sticking with the Level 10. I will eventually integrate water cooling, and I will purchase all that later. Along with the water cooling I will SLI a second GTX 560 Ti, or upgrade to a whole new set of GPUs, it just depends on what comes out and what drops in price. I am planning to play BF3 and World of Warcraft with this computer, so if you see anything that might be a better choice (besides the case of course). My apologies if any of the links are broken, just post a reply on the thread and I will fix it.


I would get a cheaper case, buy 2 MSI GTX460s Hawks for $160 each
http://www.anandtech.com/bench/Product/330?vs=314

the 2 gtx in sli are the best value on the market right now, also would get better ram like corsair vengence or g skill sniper on newegg 50 bucks for ddr3 1600, also would probably get the asrock extreme 3 z68. That case is cool but way overkill for ur needs.
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October 21, 2011 12:45:54 AM

Killatackular said:
I would get a cheaper case, buy 2 MSI GTX460s Hawks for $160 each
http://www.anandtech.com/bench/Product/330?vs=314

the 2 gtx in sli are the best value on the market right now, also would get better ram like corsair vengence or g skill sniper on newegg 50 bucks for ddr3 1600, also would probably get the asrock extreme 3 z68. That case is cool but way overkill for ur needs.


Bad advice... why spend 320 on a dead end upgrade for something that is equal to or marginally better than the 570?

This time next year you'll still be rocking 2 old 460's or you could be looking for another 570 to sli then and get another 1-2 years out of your video dollars.

Also to the other post..... why bother splitting up files from the SSD to the HDD? Put that SSD in and let the z68 use it as a cache drive...The os can move files it needs / wants to the ssd....
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October 21, 2011 12:55:43 AM

Okay, Killatackular, please read the updated build and the rest of the thread before you post, because if you look at my updated build list the level 10 GT is no longer on there.
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October 21, 2011 2:21:37 AM

The Frio is an effective cooler, however reviews show it to be noisy. The Noctua NH - D14 outperforms it and it is quiet. It is perhaps the best air cooler available when noise is taken into account. It is also only about $15 more than the Frio.

The best mainstream cooler available without going to exotic (and expensive) solutions is the Corsair H100, but the D14 is quieter.

Normally, I would recommend two 6950s in crossfire over a single 570 because the 570 is approximately $100 more than the 6950 and it does not out-perform it that much. However, Tom's Hardware notes some ATI cards have a fluttering problem in crossfire. I am not sure if this affects the 6950. You cannot go wrong with the 570, it is an amazing card and the 580 is too expensive (it is for people with big budgets).
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October 21, 2011 2:37:55 AM

Flong, I think I'm going to go with the corsair H100 because it kind of was designed for my case and I really want to get into water cooling. About the D14, bottom line, its freaking huge.
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October 21, 2011 2:38:18 AM

Oh, and also I will eventually SLI 2 570s
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October 21, 2011 3:53:21 AM

mrwhit30ut said:
Flong, I think I'm going to go with the corsair H100 because it kind of was designed for my case and I really want to get into water cooling. About the D14, bottom line, its freaking huge.


If you don't mind the price difference, the H100 is the best out there right now unless you were to go to more expensive and exotic options and none of those have the care-free, maintenance-free advantages of the H100.

Professional reviewers have rated it very highly - really nothing beats it right now. The one knock I have read is that on high fan it is noisy. However, the different professional reviews don't agree on this point. Heck, on mid-fan or low fan it still beats most air coolers and it is quiet.

Don't be afraid of the D-14 because it is big - I own it and it will easily fit in the cases that you are considering. It is an ugly brown though ha, ha. It is a superb cooler but the H100 does beat it.
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October 21, 2011 4:00:45 AM

If you don't mind a slower computer, then you don't need an SSD. However, most gamers crave speed. I don't game and so I am not clear as to why most gamers are switching to SSDs. You might want to start a separate thread and ask gamers directly. I know I despise waiting on my computer and after going to an SSD I will never go back.
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October 21, 2011 4:41:55 AM

I will eventually get an SSD yes, referring to Cy4N1d3, I would rather performance right now over load times, and I am also at $1500 right now. And I am getting the MSI card because I will OC. And I am getting the MoBo again because I will be OCing. Any other recommendations Flong? I switched to the Kingston HyperX 1600 8GB, and a corsair H100. And if I havent said anything yet I also changed my case to the 650D, I really like it and it will fit the H100. And also an Ugly brown thing is not going in my case. (Sorry for terrible grammar, Currently on a big English paper and just about ready to die, so if you need clarification on anything don't hesitate to ask :)  )
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October 21, 2011 6:53:12 AM

mrwhit30ut said:
I will eventually get an SSD yes, referring to Cy4N1d3, I would rather performance right now over load times, and I am also at $1500 right now. And I am getting the MSI card because I will OC. And I am getting the MoBo again because I will be OCing. Any other recommendations Flong? I switched to the Kingston HyperX 1600 8GB, and a corsair H100. And if I havent said anything yet I also changed my case to the 650D, I really like it and it will fit the H100. And also an Ugly brown thing is not going in my case. (Sorry for terrible grammar, Currently on a big English paper and just about ready to die, so if you need clarification on anything don't hesitate to ask :)  )


That's pretty funny - "Sorry for terrible grammer, currently on a big English paper...." ha, ha.

I am not pushing the SSD but I think that you don't really understand what people are saying - it is NOT just about load times. Because your operating system is on the SSD, it reacts 5 or 6 times faster for all actions, not just loading. I have not see then quantified by any professional reviews and so the overall performance increase is hard to measure - but you definitely notice a huge difference. This is why there is such an excitement about SSDs.

So your games do get a performance boost. Some gamers say it isn't that much, others say it is a huge difference - I don't game and so I don't have any first hand experience. That being the case, I hesitate to talk about the benefits in gaming with an SSD. I do know I have not found any program that challenges my computer - it is just so fast.

For example, Outlook used to take several seconds on all of my other computers to start up. On this computer it loads instantly - nearly everything happens instantly. You might say -" so it took a few seconds to load, big deal." But EVERYTHING is wicked fast on my computer and so it saves me huge amounts of time. It boots in less than 25 seconds from a cold start.

One quick note on the 650D - I consider it the best all around case available - I really love it but it has two weaknesses:

1. On high fan you can hear the case fans. they are pretty quiet but you can hear them. The good news is that at low fan it still cools well and is nearly silent

2. Even though the 650D is a very good cooling case, it is about 3C -5C worse than the top rated cooling cases. I think that the Silverstone Raven is possibly the best at cooling and being quiet - however it has other short comings that I don't like. There are several small things that don't work well with it - like the hot swap bay is SATA II not SATA III. Conversely, the 650D crosses every "T" and dots every "i".

Also, if you take out the top HDD cage (this is easy, you just remove it with two thumb screws) then the front fan (which is huge) has a clear path to blow air through the case to the rear fan (also the top fan exhausts hot air). I have not measured the difference cooling by doing this but I believe that it is at least 2C-3C. This makes sense because the air flow has a direct path to flow over the motherboard, CPU and the GPU.

I believe that removing the top HDD cage puts the 650D into the same league as the top two or three best cooling cases. The advantage of the Silverstone Raven, the Fortress is that they both exhaust air upwards with three fans - this makes them super efficient. The Cooler Master HAF X 942 has a huge side fan and a large top fan in addition to the front and rear fans. This makes it one of the best cooling cases, but it is way too large for my tastes and its overall quality has some problems.

Again, overall I believe the 650D is the best all around case. I read hundreds of reviews of various cases before I chose the 650D. But no case is perfect. Mine is a joy to work in and to use. If you use the H100 you will have an amazing build for overclocking. Especially with the HX 850 PSU.

Your build is solid and it will be very fast. Remember - get a motherboard that is Ivy Bridge compatible and PCI-E 3.0 compliant.
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October 22, 2011 1:11:53 AM

Mmk, Since I'm buying this around christmas should I just wait for Ivy Bridge? Intel said late Q4 on the release soo? I dont know.
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October 22, 2011 2:27:05 AM

mrwhit30ut said:
Mmk, Since I'm buying this around christmas should I just wait for Ivy Bridge? Intel said late Q4 on the release soo? I dont know.


Ivy Bridge will be a more expensive and faster version of the 2600K. It is also supposed to be a 3D transistor 22nm in size. I think the low-end version is projected to be around $400 for the CPU and it will be approximately 25% faster - but that is off the top of my head. I think that the 2600K will continue to be offered. Note that the low-end version of Ivy Bridge will only have 4 cores.

Whether you wait or not is up to you. Intel is supposed to be actually shipping Ivy Bridge products in Q1 of 2012. That means you could wait 3-6 months to purchase your CPU.

The advantages of Ivy Bridge could be as follows:

1. 6 cores for the more expensive chips
2. Native USB 3.0 support (maybe)
3. Possible PCI-E 3.0 support
4. Triple channel RAM

The potential is there for this to be a major step up in speed, but nothing is guaranteed. It will also likely be more expensive.

If you build a relatively cheap 2500K system with a motherboard that is compatible with Ivy Bridge and PCI-E 3.0 compliant, you could possibly upgrade your system by just replacing the CPU, however, your mobo will not have native USB 3.0. But that really doesn't matter because you would still have USB 3.0 non-native support.

If you just have to replace the 2500K, then you are only out $200 to upgrade. Keep in mind that no video card manufacturer even makes a GPU that works with PCI-E 3.0 yet and so you might also have to purchase another video card. It will probably take the manufacturers about a year to put out the new 3.0 cards.

What is "mmk?"
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October 22, 2011 4:27:35 AM

Just sound it out, Its like a hesitant ok so like mmm (Im thinking) k (yes).
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October 22, 2011 8:58:23 AM

mrwhit30ut said:
Just sound it out, Its like a hesitant ok so like mmm (Im thinking) k (yes).


Got it :) 
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October 22, 2011 4:50:28 PM

Wait flong is the MSI Z68 GD65 not ivy bridge, because it says it is. What socket will Ivy bridge be, 1155?
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October 22, 2011 7:01:09 PM

mrwhit30ut said:
Wait flong is the MSI Z68 GD65 not ivy bridge, because it says it is. What socket will Ivy bridge be, 1155?


Yes that motherboard is PCI-E 3.0 compliant and Ivy Bridge compatible. Getting a mobo with these features is the way to go.
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