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October 18, 2011 6:14:25 PM

Approximate Purchase Date: when i have all price up and the money.. soon...

Budget Range: 800$ - 1000

System Usage from Most to Least Important: Gaming, movies, multitasking

Parts Not Required: Keyboard, mouse, headset, monitor, tower, power supply

Preferred Website(s) for Parts: newegg, Directcanada, or anywhere that can be trust it

Country of Origin: Canada

Parts Preferences: Intel i7, 6gb - 10gb, 1tb HD, motherboard, maybe powersupply if need it

Overclocking: Maybe

SLI or Crossfire: Maybe - I have a Radeon HD 5830

Monitor Resolution: 3 x 1440x900

Additional Comments: looking for something that can last me other 4 yrs and play all the games and never never never have video problems or somesh*** like that

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October 18, 2011 7:17:15 PM

13mpty said:
Approximate Purchase Date: when i have all price up and the money.. soon...

Budget Range: 800$

System Usage from Most to Least Important: Gaming, movies, multitasking

Parts Not Required: Keyboard, mouse, headset, monitor, tower, power supply

Preferred Website(s) for Parts: newegg, Directcanada, or anywhere that can be trust it

Country of Origin: Canada

Parts Preferences: Intel i7, 6gb - 10gb, 1tb HD, motherboard, maybe powersupply if need it

Overclocking: Maybe

SLI or Crossfire: Maybe - I have a Radeon HD 5830

Monitor Resolution: 3 x 1440x900

Additional Comments: looking for something that can last me other 4 yrs and play all the games and never never never have video problems or somesh*** like that


Compiled parts list:
1) i5 2500K $219.99 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
2) Asus P8H67-M Mobo $114.99 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
3) CORSAIR Vengeance 2x4GB $74.99 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
4) Asus Black BD Drive $58.99 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
5) MSI R6950 $259.99 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
6) 2x Seagate Barracuda ST500 in RAID0 $89.98 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
7) XIGMATEK Gaia Cooler $29.99 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

First off I would get an i5 over the i7 with your budget not to mention there is not significant performance gains in gaming between the two. I assumed you would want a blue-ray player but if not you can save ~$25 by downgrading to a standard DVD/CD drive. For GPU I stuck with Radeon since you can use EyeFinity with the 3 monitors. If you have extra money I would put it toward a 6970. The two 500GB HDD once configured in RAID0 will give you an effective 1TB space while giving you better read/write performance. The cooler is assuming you will be doing some overclocking and is one of the better budget coolers you can find.

Total Build Price: $848.92 (close enough :kaola:  )
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October 18, 2011 7:41:58 PM

so?... what is the difference between the i7 and i5 beside the price?... :o .... i dont need a dvd/cd reader i have one and blue ray is not a big deal for me :D ... my most importa thing would be the processor motherboard and memory :D ... i will take a look at your choices :D  thank you :D 

i saw the mb and i think a need a bigger one... why that one?... is there a better one ?
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October 18, 2011 8:03:14 PM

13mpty said:
so?... what is the difference between the i7 and i5 beside the price?... :o .... i dont need a dvd/cd reader i have one and blue ray is not a big deal for me :D ... my most importa thing would be the processor motherboard and memory :D ... i will take a look at your choices :D  thank you :D 


The i7 has a 100MHz faster stock clock rate and turbocore and has some more cache then the i5. In most benchmarks the i7 performs only 1-2% faster then the i5. Here is a large list of benchmarks from with both processors: http://www.tomshardware.com/charts/x86-core-performance...

My last computer build had about 50-60hr of research in it so I wouldn't take my suggestions to heart as they have ~15min in them. Should give you a good place to start though.

EMOTE SPLUGE: :o  :p  ;)  :pt1cable:  :lol:  :kaola:  :love:  :heink:  :D  :(  :non:  :pt1cable:  :hello:  :pt1cable: 
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October 18, 2011 8:12:58 PM

ok... so what would be a better motherboard?... i think i will take the i7 dont know yet, and those 8gb sound good :D  but im not too sure about the motherboard.... what would it be my others options?
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October 18, 2011 8:58:46 PM

Some other good motherboards with pros and cons:

1) ATX board for more room, supports higher frequency memory for upgrades, the second PCI-e slot is too slow to get anything from a crossfire setup (possible upgrade?)
$129.99 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
2) Same as #1 but the PCE-e can run in 8x/8x allowing future crossfire setup
$169.99 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
3) Another possibility that is similar to #2
$169.99 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

By the way I typically go only with Asus. I have used a few Gigabyte motherboards and they were also good but I think Asus is the best out there for motherboards at the moment. After looking back over my previous suggested motherboard I think I would go with number #1 or #2 from the above depending on if you plan to run a crossfire (dual GPU) setup in the future.

Also a note on the CPU's: If you do not plan on overclocking the CPU's you can go with the locked versions (ex. i7 2600 vs i7 2600K) and save a few bucks.
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October 18, 2011 9:55:25 PM

i have Antec Nine Hundred Mid Tower Gamer Case 900 so space is ok... but not HUGE... i think i read somewhere that i can crossfire a 5xxx with a 6xxx.. is that right?... my actual pc is a good one but old now 4yrs old... so my main concern is the mobo... i can always change the memory or gpu... but i want a good mobo :D ...
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October 19, 2011 12:35:36 PM

13mpty said:
would this be a nice deal?....

http://www.ncix.com/products/?sku=56695&vpn=930%20%26%2...


Not really as newegg has faster versions of that CPU for ~$30 less. Also, that CPU is last generation and is outperformed by both the i7 2600 and i5 2500 series in nearly all applications. Unless you plan on doing a specific task with the PC other then gaming (like a lot of transcoding) then the 2600K and 2500K are the top of the line.

Updated Parts List (for your conveyance :p  ):
1) i7 2600K $314.99 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
2) MSi Z68A-GD55 $154.99 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
3) CORSAIR Vengeance 2x4GB $74.99 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Prod [...] 6820233147
4) Gigabyte 6950OC $239.99 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
5) 2x Seagate Barracuda ST500 in RAID0 $89.98 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Prod [...] 6822148767
6) XIGMATEK Gaia Cooler $29.99 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Prod [...] 6835233082

Total: $904.93

I changed the motherboard because I noticed this one which had dual PCI-E 3.0. It has the features of a $200+ motherboard and MSi is a good brand. Just a note, after black friday newegg always has a week of VERY good deals on nearly everything; you may want to wait till then. I build my parents computer for $710 last year and it was $960 before the deals ;) 
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October 19, 2011 6:15:18 PM

thanks xD:.. when is black friday ? sorry :$.... and how i know if the mobo is agood?.. i mean is there any page i can go and see some testing or that only work for processor and gpu?.. i just want kind of the best :D  sorry if im getting annoying
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October 19, 2011 8:55:15 PM

13mpty said:
thanks xD:.. when is black friday ? sorry :$.... and how i know if the mobo is agood?.. i mean is there any page i can go and see some testing or that only work for processor and gpu?.. i just want kind of the best :D  sorry if im getting annoying


November 25th is black friday but I think newegg sales start the 28th; could be wrong though. The reviews of the motherboard are about the only way to tell if it is really quality and the manufacture's reputation. There is not really any benchmarks like with CPU's and GPU's as there is not much to benchmark. I'd just do some Google searches and find some user reviews to see if the board has problems or not.

I tend to think of the motherboard simply as a piece of hardware that links the working components together as that is mostly its function (although it does have some computing components build in).
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October 19, 2011 9:06:48 PM

mmm okey okey... so i want a decent size mobo, where i can place 2 gpu and around 8 gb and some extra space.. for anyother reason :D ....... and one thing that i found is i really dont need a gpu on the mobo like with it, my actual mobo doesnt have that video port.. is there any reason for that?.. so far i know is that without that is better.. the mobo concentrate in doing the actual job... correct me if im wrong :D 
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October 20, 2011 10:51:20 PM

should i get a SSD too¡??
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October 21, 2011 12:30:13 PM

13mpty said:
mmm okey okey... so i want a decent size mobo, where i can place 2 gpu and around 8 gb and some extra space.. for anyother reason :D ....... and one thing that i found is i really dont need a gpu on the mobo like with it, my actual mobo doesnt have that video port.. is there any reason for that?.. so far i know is that without that is better.. the mobo concentrate in doing the actual job... correct me if im wrong :D 


If you want a decent sized motherboard then you should go with the ATX form factor. If you want to be able to place 2 GPU's then you need dual PCI-E slots that are able to run 16x for one card and 8x/8x when in SLi or Crossfire mode. PCI-E 3.0 is a plus because it is more future proof. Also, I tend to favor boards that also have at least 2 PCI slot for accessory type stuff (ex. Sound Card, NIC, etc.). For your last question about on board GPU I would not let that influence your decision at all. No, you do not need it but it does not negatively effect your motherboard having it and it can come in handy if you have your GPU die on you.

As a warning about your motherboard purchase since you seem to be fixating on it: There is a point of diminishing returns. What I mean by that is the difference between a good $200 motherboard and the top of the line $350 motherboard are typically extreme overclocking features and 'flash' features (ex. Built by the hands of Zeus :lol:  ). Typically $150 to $200 motherboard is the sweet spot of getting everything you need and nothing you don't.

Regarding the SSD question: Its up to you. If most of what you save is media and you only have a few games and programs installed at any given time then a small SSD might be the way to go. If your like me and have a lot of programs installed at once then it probably isn't the way to go. Im sure if you look up a 1TB SSD to 'solve' both those problems you'll see why I didn't even consider that. From benchmarks I have seen SSD's are ~4x faster then HDD where a RAID0 config is ~2x faster then a single HDD in read/write speeds. This essentially just transfers to faster bootup and load times though which people value differently.
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November 12, 2011 7:19:11 PM

the site is here in Calgary, Canada... i think im gonna go for that one... but now i been trough all the mobos your hd posted it... now...between this ones witch one will be better for that ram and im going for the i7 2600k and OC...

Gigabyte GA-Z68XP-UD3
Asus P8Z68-V Pro

like i said before im looking for atleast 2 pci e for crossfire and 1or 2 pci slots.. cause i have a sound card that i would like to keep using... all these is goin inside of a Antec 900
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November 16, 2011 5:18:20 PM

I have always heard good things about the Sabertooth class of motherboards from Asus. I actually plan on using it in my next computer build at the moment unless I see something more tempting.

Both are good RAM manufactures. I have done three builds now with G.SKILL Sniper series RAM and can't say enough good things about it when it comes to performance per price. I have other friends that exclusively use Corsair for their builds and they also fell the same way.
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November 16, 2011 10:28:36 PM

okey....im been reading alot about the sabertooh against the P8Z68-V Pro... and some forums said "go for st others said go for pro".... apparently pro have a few more stuff or features... so... im hagging right now :( ... dont know what to do kakakaka and as soon i get my credit card i will buy the pc... this week... so.. or if u hasve a better option?
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November 16, 2011 10:37:36 PM

im not concern about monitor right now... when i have my pc i will think it about it but its not like i need ir right now... and i have 3 monitor soo... change 3 monitor is ALOT of money that i preffered puting on the pc xD....
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November 16, 2011 11:32:38 PM

oh and the range price is up to 1000§ and im thingk about a 60 or 80 gb SSD.... but dont know yet.. all of these has to fit in the Antec Nine Hundred
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November 18, 2011 11:43:14 PM

13mpty said:
okey....im been reading alot about the sabertooh against the P8Z68-V Pro... and some forums said "go for st others said go for pro".... apparently pro have a few more stuff or features... so... im hagging right now :( ... dont know what to do kakakaka and as soon i get my credit card i will buy the pc... this week... so.. or if u hasve a better option?


First off they are both good motherboards. When i look at their features side by side there are only a few things that are really different from one to the other. The main plus side to the P8Z68 is it uses the newer Z68 chipset. Having the newer chipset gives you the possability to allow for further upgrade of the system before needing to do a complete rebuild. The new Z68 also has, among other things, the UEFI BIOS which is essentially a more graphical BIOS experience. The P8Z68 also supports memory up to 2200MHz. The Sabertooth on the other hand has the TUF thermal armor for better heat dissipation on critical items, TUF radar which intelligently monitors spots of heat buildup on your motherboard and a 5YR warranty. If the price of the two motherboards was the same I would have a hard time picking between the two but because of the $30 price difference on newegg.com in favor of the P8Z68 board I would go with that.

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November 19, 2011 3:57:15 AM

yeah im about to choose that one... but i just saw the new sabertooth x79 so im getting more and more confused now... are these one of the best or there other ones better than these mobo?
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November 19, 2011 4:04:12 AM

As long as you get P67 chipset, you'll be ready for future upgrades so do that.

As long as you get this right, you'll be getting the best bang for your buck and will be able to play any game with any settings out there - period:

i5 2500K (with a good cooler) - P67 chipset motherboard - 6GB ++ memory - 6950 flash the BIOS to 6970 and then overclock to the limit - you can get very close to GTX 580 performance with a flashed 6950 and they are so inexpensive compared to any of their competition!

Just get MSi P67A-G43 motherboard. By the time you need to upgrade video cards, PCI-E will probably be outdated tech LOL

--don't forget to get 2GB 6950--1GB 6950 will NOT flash to 6970-- =) =) =)
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November 21, 2011 8:03:57 PM

im gonna gtet a x68 mobo... now.. witch one woud it be ??.... for some stupid reason im debating really hard on this matter... and want like a gooooood perfect mobo... and everytimg i choose one I do some research and find a better one or similar one... kakakaka... *** me :( ... i need help with these... the asrock are better than the gigabyte and asus or... it doesnt matter ?
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November 22, 2011 11:22:59 AM

13mpty said:
im gonna gtet a x68 mobo... now.. witch one woud it be ??.... for some stupid reason im debating really hard on this matter... and want like a gooooood perfect mobo... and everytimg i choose one I do some research and find a better one or similar one... kakakaka... *** me :( ... i need help with these... the asrock are better than the gigabyte and asus or... it doesnt matter ?


OMG pick a motherboard. The anticipation is killing me ! :cry: 

Anyway, I would consider Asus, Gigabyte, & MSi to be the top mobo manufactures in that order. I have heard good things about Asrock but they are an up and coming manufacture and I don't personally know anyone that has used them yet so I tend to be wary.
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November 23, 2011 5:33:33 PM

soon... soon.. im still wating for my credit card so i can put all the parts together and see what happens xD.. but now im seeing the new i7 3980k and the sabertooth x79 and im liking it... but thats like 900$ for bothj... lol... but if its worth it i may go for it... what do u guys think?
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November 23, 2011 7:59:49 PM

13mpty said:
soon... soon.. im still wating for my credit card so i can put all the parts together and see what happens xD.. but now im seeing the new i7 3980k and the sabertooth x79 and im liking it... but thats like 900$ for bothj... lol... but if its worth it i may go for it... what do u guys think?


Here are some benchmarks and a review of the chip:
http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/sandy-bridge-e-effi...

Basically unless you are into paying another ~$500 for bragging rights then it is not worth it.
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November 25, 2011 12:09:47 AM

okey okey xD... i finally got my credit card WIIIII!!!!..... now im between the

Mobos

http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E1681...

http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E1681...

http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E1681...

i used to havfe a gigabyte one but i dont know which one is a good one now.. and MSI never tried before so... i dont know :( 

Ram.

http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E1682...

http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E1682...

http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E1682...

http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E1682...

these ones for now... i still have to pick the psu and fan cooler xD... but those one will be more easy xD....

what do u think?
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November 25, 2011 2:21:45 PM

13mpty said:
okey okey xD... i finally got my credit card WIIIII!!!!..... now im between the

Mobos

http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E1681...

http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E1681...

http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E1681...

i used to havfe a gigabyte one but i dont know which one is a good one now.. and MSI never tried before so... i dont know :( 

Ram.

http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E1682...

http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E1682...

http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E1682...

http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E1682...

these ones for now... i still have to pick the psu and fan cooler xD... but those one will be more easy xD....

what do u think?


My choice would be:
- Asus P8Z68 Mobo
- G.SKILL Ripjaws X but its out of stock so Corsair Vengeance (BLUE)
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November 25, 2011 8:34:43 PM

im canadian so... if i buy from newegg USA it will cost me more... and i check in newegg.ca and its about the same or more expansive... for PSU and Fan Cooler what do u recomend? xD...
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November 25, 2011 10:58:14 PM

OKey Guys.... these i what i got

mobo and pcu

http://www.memoryexpress.com/Products/BDL_Z68VPRO_2600K

cooler

http://www.memoryexpress.com/Products/MX31429

ram

http://www.memoryexpress.com/Products/MX35115

the guy told me that g skill are good but vengance are more stable in his experience.. so i choose that one.

psu

http://www.memoryexpress.com/Products/MX32589

planing on going crossfire in the future


and a duster and 2yrs warranty just i case

812. something $...

im happy now its time to build this up
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