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Anonymous
April 13, 2005 12:32:25 PM

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.... in the penultimate paragraph a link to the author's site leads to a
comparison of the XT and the 20D, for those who are vacillating ...

http://www.creativepro.com/story/review/22785.html?cpro...

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Anonymous
April 14, 2005 4:43:02 AM

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On Wed, 13 Apr 2005 08:32:25 -0700, "Frank ess" <frank@fshe2fs.com>
wrote:

>... in the penultimate paragraph a link to the author's site leads to a
>comparison of the XT and the 20D, for those who are vacillating ...
>
>http://www.creativepro.com/story/review/22785.html?cpro...

Obviously, Canon tried to position lightness as an attribute,
something that has a limit, in a camera. All a hyperlight camera
gets you is insufficient grip area and lots of camera shake
that a heavier camera helps damp out.
At least the author mentioned this.
-Rich
Anonymous
April 14, 2005 9:24:23 AM

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RichA wrote:
> On Wed, 13 Apr 2005 08:32:25 -0700, "Frank ess" <frank@fshe2fs.com>
> wrote:
>
>
>>... in the penultimate paragraph a link to the author's site leads to a
>>comparison of the XT and the 20D, for those who are vacillating ...
>>
>>http://www.creativepro.com/story/review/22785.html?cpro...
>
>
> Obviously, Canon tried to position lightness as an attribute,
> something that has a limit, in a camera. All a hyperlight camera
> gets you is insufficient grip area and lots of camera shake
> that a heavier camera helps damp out.
> At least the author mentioned this.
> -Rich

Humm. So the ideal camera would weigh in at 20 lbs., and be the size of
a breadbox? Somehow I doubt I would carry one like that.


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Anonymous
April 14, 2005 2:09:17 PM

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RichA wrote:

> On Wed, 13 Apr 2005 08:32:25 -0700, "Frank ess" <frank@fshe2fs.com>
> wrote:
>
>
>>... in the penultimate paragraph a link to the author's site leads to a
>>comparison of the XT and the 20D, for those who are vacillating ...
>>
>>http://www.creativepro.com/story/review/22785.html?cpro...
>
>
> Obviously, Canon tried to position lightness as an attribute,
> something that has a limit, in a camera. All a hyperlight camera
> gets you is insufficient grip area and lots of camera shake
> that a heavier camera helps damp out.


A heavier camera will tire you out faster making control more difficult.
A lighter camera, properly held, will not shake in your hands unless
you have other motor control problems.

OTOH, there are monopods.


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April 15, 2005 2:59:04 AM

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In article <d2tr51damh5qai2m06eetoo1aeuqvojku8@4ax.com>,
RichA <none@none.com> wrote:

> On Wed, 13 Apr 2005 08:32:25 -0700, "Frank ess" <frank@fshe2fs.com>
> wrote:
>
> >... in the penultimate paragraph a link to the author's site leads to a
> >comparison of the XT and the 20D, for those who are vacillating ...
> >
> >http://www.creativepro.com/story/review/22785.html?cpro...
>
> Obviously, Canon tried to position lightness as an attribute,
> something that has a limit, in a camera. All a hyperlight camera
> gets you is insufficient grip area and lots of camera shake
> that a heavier camera helps damp out.
> At least the author mentioned this.
> -Rich

Angular momentum is a lot more important than total weight. You want
the weight at the edges, not the center.

I doubt there's much difference between the XT and 20D as far as angular
momentum goes. The quality of your grip on the camera would matter much
more. You have to try holding them.

The 10D is a camera where I'd say that weight is a disadvantage. My
wrist would be in spasms if I had to carry that brick and a lens for a
few hours.
Anonymous
April 16, 2005 4:38:59 AM

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On Thu, 14 Apr 2005 22:59:04 -0700, Kevin McMurtrie wrote:

> Angular momentum is a lot more important than total weight.
> You want the weight at the edges, not the center.

I know what you mean, but I think that's the wrong term. If the
camera isn't rotating it has no angular momentum. Sorry, but I
don't recall what the proper term is. Possibly moment of inertia?
Or some other term coined with "moment". Placing more of the weight
at the edges inhibits changes in momentum. For the reason you
mention I always thought the design of many "pro" cameras would have
been more functional if some of their excessive height was traded
for a bit more width.
Anonymous
April 17, 2005 5:12:04 PM

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"RichA" <none@none.com> wrote in message
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> On Wed, 13 Apr 2005 08:32:25 -0700, "Frank ess" <frank@fshe2fs.com>
> wrote:
>
> >... in the penultimate paragraph a link to the author's site leads to a
> >comparison of the XT and the 20D, for those who are vacillating ...
> >
> >http://www.creativepro.com/story/review/22785.html?cpro...
>
> Obviously, Canon tried to position lightness as an attribute,
> something that has a limit, in a camera. All a hyperlight camera
> gets you is insufficient grip area and lots of camera shake
> that a heavier camera helps damp out.
> At least the author mentioned this.

So that's all a hyperlight camera gets you? I can think of at least one
major benefit of a lighter camera and I think I'm starting to learn to not
bother reading your posts. If I need a heavier camera I can always throw on
the battery grip.

Greg
April 18, 2005 12:17:56 AM

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Apparently some people are steadier if they are carrying an anvil. I think
they would probably be steadier yet if they left the anvil at home along
with their pint of Jack Daniels.

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>
> "RichA" <none@none.com> wrote in message
> news:D 2tr51damh5qai2m06eetoo1aeuqvojku8@4ax.com...
> > On Wed, 13 Apr 2005 08:32:25 -0700, "Frank ess" <frank@fshe2fs.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> > >... in the penultimate paragraph a link to the author's site leads to a
> > >comparison of the XT and the 20D, for those who are vacillating ...
> > >
> > >http://www.creativepro.com/story/review/22785.html?cpro...
> >
> > Obviously, Canon tried to position lightness as an attribute,
> > something that has a limit, in a camera. All a hyperlight camera
> > gets you is insufficient grip area and lots of camera shake
> > that a heavier camera helps damp out.
> > At least the author mentioned this.
>
> So that's all a hyperlight camera gets you? I can think of at least one
> major benefit of a lighter camera and I think I'm starting to learn to not
> bother reading your posts. If I need a heavier camera I can always throw
on
> the battery grip.
>
> Greg
>
>
Anonymous
April 18, 2005 3:22:54 AM

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On Sun, 17 Apr 2005 13:12:04 -0700, "G.T." <getnews1@dslextreme.com>
wrote:

>
>"RichA" <none@none.com> wrote in message
>news:D 2tr51damh5qai2m06eetoo1aeuqvojku8@4ax.com...
>> On Wed, 13 Apr 2005 08:32:25 -0700, "Frank ess" <frank@fshe2fs.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>> >... in the penultimate paragraph a link to the author's site leads to a
>> >comparison of the XT and the 20D, for those who are vacillating ...
>> >
>> >http://www.creativepro.com/story/review/22785.html?cpro...
>>
>> Obviously, Canon tried to position lightness as an attribute,
>> something that has a limit, in a camera. All a hyperlight camera
>> gets you is insufficient grip area and lots of camera shake
>> that a heavier camera helps damp out.
>> At least the author mentioned this.
>
>So that's all a hyperlight camera gets you? I can think of at least one
>major benefit of a lighter camera and I think I'm starting to learn to not
>bother reading your posts. If I need a heavier camera I can always throw on
>the battery grip.
>
>Greg
>

If someone really wants the benefit of a light camera, they'd
do well to consider one of those pocketable compacts from Canon
like the Elf. Otherwise, stop complaining about weight and do
something to build up your strength.
-Rich
Anonymous
April 18, 2005 8:57:10 PM

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"RichA" <none@none.com> wrote in message
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> On Wed, 13 Apr 2005 08:32:25 -0700, "Frank ess" <frank@fshe2fs.com>
> wrote:
>
>>... in the penultimate paragraph a link to the author's site leads to a
>>comparison of the XT and the 20D, for those who are vacillating ...
>>
>>http://www.creativepro.com/story/review/22785.html?cpro...
>
> Obviously, Canon tried to position lightness as an attribute,
> something that has a limit, in a camera. All a hyperlight camera
> gets you is insufficient grip area and lots of camera shake
> that a heavier camera helps damp out.
> At least the author mentioned this.
> -Rich

Particularly as many people seem happy to use 1 +/- 0.3 Kg zoom lenses, I
would think this makes the camera mass secondary.


Lester
Anonymous
April 20, 2005 2:16:37 AM

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"RichA" <none@none.com> wrote in message
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> On Sun, 17 Apr 2005 13:12:04 -0700, "G.T." <getnews1@dslextreme.com>
> wrote:
>
> >
> >"RichA" <none@none.com> wrote in message
> >news:D 2tr51damh5qai2m06eetoo1aeuqvojku8@4ax.com...
> >> On Wed, 13 Apr 2005 08:32:25 -0700, "Frank ess" <frank@fshe2fs.com>
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >> >... in the penultimate paragraph a link to the author's site leads to
a
> >> >comparison of the XT and the 20D, for those who are vacillating ...
> >> >
> >> >http://www.creativepro.com/story/review/22785.html?cpro...
> >>
> >> Obviously, Canon tried to position lightness as an attribute,
> >> something that has a limit, in a camera. All a hyperlight camera
> >> gets you is insufficient grip area and lots of camera shake
> >> that a heavier camera helps damp out.
> >> At least the author mentioned this.
> >
> >So that's all a hyperlight camera gets you? I can think of at least one
> >major benefit of a lighter camera and I think I'm starting to learn to
not
> >bother reading your posts. If I need a heavier camera I can always throw
on
> >the battery grip.
> >
> >Greg
> >
>
> If someone really wants the benefit of a light camera, they'd
> do well to consider one of those pocketable compacts from Canon
> like the Elf. Otherwise, stop complaining about weight and do
> something to build up your strength.

Spoken like someone who has never walked farther than the distance from the
barcalounger to the frigidaire.

Greg
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