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August 25, 2011 11:00:43 AM

HI

I am from South Africa.
Here I can get a 6950 2GB for about R 2600 or a 560 Ti 1GB for about R 2450 so there is not much difference in the price.

I have looked through countless amounts of reviews and I still cant choose which card would be better suited for me.
If I do go with the AMD I do have the option of using crossfire later on, but I might just by then have a new system when this card gets dated.

Both cards are MSI.

Here is the link for the 560 Ti +- R 2450

http://www.msi.com/product/vga/N560GTX-Ti-Hawk.html

Here is the link for the 6950 +- R 2600

http://www.msi.com/product/vga/R6950-2PM2D2GD5.html

My budget wont allow me to go any higher than these two cards.
I will be purchasing a new card next month so I would really appreciate any help or opinions.

More about : 560 6950

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August 25, 2011 11:29:11 AM

6950
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a c 130 U Graphics card
August 25, 2011 11:53:55 AM

Depends what you want from the card.

What uses will your PC be primarily used for ? What is the rest of your system like CPU/RAM/ Screen resolution (not size) PSU wattage and make/model ?

Also as i have no idea about your currency what would the extra 150 actually buy ? Just so i can get an idea of the price difference.

Other issues like would you consider overclocking would come into the decision as well.

On a personal preference point i would get the 560 Ti and just to put that into perspective i am actually an AMD fan and have never run an Nvidia card in my whole life. Thats about 20 years of computing and more cards than i care to mention :) 


Mactronix :) 
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August 25, 2011 12:32:56 PM

This is my current system.

AMD Phenom II x 2 550 @ 3.6 GHz
Zalman CNPS 9900A CPU Cooler
4 GB DDR3 1333 Vazio Copper Heatsinks
MSI 790GX - G65
500 GB x 2 Seagate HDD
Palit Nvidia GTS 250 1 GB
Huntkey 550W PSU
Antec 900 2 Gamer Case

I will upgrade the PSU soon. I am waiting on the Antec quattro 850W from the supplier. I know it is more than the system will use, but it is what I prefer.
I am not interested in overclocking the card at all.
I play at 1600 x 900 but will upgrade to 1080p with in the next 3 months.
I love playing at full details with lots of eye candy.
I will upgrade the CPU if it causes a bottleneck.

Currently it is about 7 ZAR to the USD. So the 6950 works out to be about $ 20.00 more expensive than the 560 Ti.

The other thing is that the 560 Ti I can get is the MSI HAWK version while the 6950 is the normal reference card.
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August 25, 2011 1:04:02 PM

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double post :whistle: 

Planning on playing PhysX games ?
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August 25, 2011 1:23:04 PM

In my opinion you should go with the Radeon HD6950. The main reason is that the 6950 is 2GB. I am running a 6950 in my machine and can tell you the thing is blazing fast, and if you plan on doing Crossfire (unnecessary imo) a second 6950 would be killer performance.
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August 25, 2011 1:44:39 PM

Rizlla said:
This is my current system.

AMD Phenom II x 2 550 @ 3.6 GHz
Zalman CNPS 9900A CPU Cooler
4 GB DDR3 1333 Vazio Copper Heatsinks
MSI 790GX - G65
500 GB x 2 Seagate HDD
Palit Nvidia GTS 250 1 GB
Huntkey 550W PSU
Antec 900 2 Gamer Case

I will upgrade the PSU soon. I am waiting on the Antec quattro 850W from the supplier. I know it is more than the system will use, but it is what I prefer.
I am not interested in overclocking the card at all.
I play at 1600 x 900 but will upgrade to 1080p with in the next 3 months.
I love playing at full details with lots of eye candy.
I will upgrade the CPU if it causes a bottleneck.

Currently it is about 7 ZAR to the USD. So the 6950 works out to be about $ 20.00 more expensive than the 560 Ti.

The other thing is that the 560 Ti I can get is the MSI HAWK version while the 6950 is the normal reference card.



Couple of questions if you don't mind.
Have you tried to unlock that 550 of yours ?
If you are planning to upgrade PSU/ Monitor and CPU as needed why not wait and do a full Bulldozer upgrade ?

You shouldn't have any Major issues with restrictions "bottlenecks" to you.
Read this review it included an overclocked 550 they got 3.7 but its near enough and the overclocked 5870 is slightly more GPU than either of your choices. You will see that any Bottleneck would be slight at best. http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/balanced-gaming-pc-...

Even without the Overclock the 560 is a better card than the 6950, don't know if you have seen this review or not. http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/MSI/GTX_560_Twin_Fro...

Its a pity you wont OC as while some 6950's could/can ? be unlocked to full 6970's the MSI Hawk 560 TI will OC past a stock 6970 quite readily according to reviews i have seen.

Mactronix :) 
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August 25, 2011 1:55:51 PM

lol 6950 ftw - get the reference version thought
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August 25, 2011 2:02:07 PM

Yes I have already tried to unlock the CPU but those other two cores are faulty. It wont even startup Window fully before it crashes and I have tried it one core at a time. I have read that about unlocking a 6950 to a 6970 and I will give that a try if I go with the 6950, but it is not a done deal that the card will unlock to a 6970.

I only do gaming on this PC and the 550 has been doing me good for long. If I go Bulldozer I will need a new MB aswell. I can upgrade to a 955 for about R 1000 or $ 140.00 which will be much cheaper than CPU and MB. My MB has a 790 chipset so it only supports up to Phenom x 6, but for me it is no use buying that.
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August 25, 2011 2:35:27 PM

+1
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August 25, 2011 2:35:40 PM

Ah - the age old question. If you search benchmarks on this site you will see the HD pull ahead of the GTX in some stakes, and fall behind in others. For my own two pence the two are so close the only real consideration should be price.

However:

When the choice becomes clear - is when you are comparing the cards in crossfire or sli - AMD surpasses the GTX by a good margin. Also the 6950 2GB version can be very good for a multi-monitor setup over the GTX.

neem my advies :-)
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August 25, 2011 2:44:15 PM

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go for the 6950 2gb. Its a great card
www.anandtech.com/bench/Product/330?vs=293
where are you buying it? (I also live in south africa)


I am buying from Pinnacle. The company I work for is registered as a reseller so I get stuff at better prices. :) 
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August 25, 2011 2:48:46 PM

Rizlla said:
I am buying from Pinnacle. The company I work for is registered as a reseller so I get stuff at better prices. :) 


get me some components
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August 25, 2011 2:50:04 PM

Gumption said:
Ah - the age old question. If you search benchmarks on this site you will see the HD pull ahead of the GTX in some stakes, and fall behind in others. For my own two pence the two are so close the only real consideration should be price.

However:

When the choice becomes clear - is when you are comparing the cards in crossfire or sli - AMD surpasses the GTX by a good margin. Also the 6950 2GB version can be very good for a multi-monitor setup over the GTX.

neem my advies :-)



I have been through alot of benchmarks on Toms and alot of other sites. I have also looked at sites like anandtech.com. I know AMD has excellent CF scaling that is also where the AMD gets a +1 because my MB only supports CF.

But the 560 Ti I can get is the max OC version of MSI and the 6950 is the reference so I think the 560Ti might out perform the 6950 even more.

BUT!!!

If I can unlock the 6950 to a 6970 it will kick the 560Ti in the :ouch:  :lol:  :lol: 
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August 25, 2011 2:51:22 PM

dhicks19 said:
get me some components


lol.
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August 25, 2011 2:52:51 PM

you can unlock the 6950 if you get a reference design. for instance i got 2 asus 6950s, flashed to the 6970 sapphire bios. works a treat
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August 25, 2011 2:59:19 PM

If you care about PhysX in any of your games, then the GTX560Ti is the only way to go. If you will be doing any bitcoin mining when not gaming, the HD6950 is your only rational choice.
Before you plug in either one, search through the PSU reviews at HardwareSecrets. They've tested quite a few Huntkey models, and most (but not all) blew up well under their claimed wattage. If yours is one of the bad ones, stick to your GTS250 until you get the new PSU. I wouldn't just "try it," because often when a PSU fails in such a glorious fashion, it takes other parts with it into the fiery abyss.
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August 25, 2011 3:01:44 PM

Onus said:
If you care about PhysX in any of your games, then the GTX560Ti is the only way to go. If you will be doing any bitcoin mining when not gaming, the HD6950 is your only rational choice.
Before you plug in either one, search through the PSU reviews at HardwareSecrets. They've tested quite a few Huntkey models, and most (but not all) blew up well under their claimed wattage. If yours is one of the bad ones, stick to your GTS250 until you get the new PSU. I wouldn't just "try it," because often when a PSU fails in such a glorious fashion, it takes other parts with it into the fiery abyss.


its true, i had a cheapo china special, took my baby 4890, was a top end card at the time. i cried at the funeral. I still think about her to this day
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August 25, 2011 6:45:57 PM

So you are happy to unlock the 6950 which is harder than the overclocking of the 560 ti,which you wont do even though it will best a 6970 when overclocked :heink: 

Mactronix :) 
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August 26, 2011 7:55:43 AM

mactronix said:
So you are happy to unlock the 6950 which is harder than the overclocking of the 560 ti,which you wont do even though it will best a 6970 when overclocked :heink: 

Mactronix :) 


it actually depends what games. I still say the 6950/70 is better. Yes even when overclocked lol
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August 29, 2011 2:09:22 PM

Onus said:
If you care about PhysX in any of your games, then the GTX560Ti is the only way to go. If you will be doing any bitcoin mining when not gaming, the HD6950 is your only rational choice.
Before you plug in either one, search through the PSU reviews at HardwareSecrets. They've tested quite a few Huntkey models, and most (but not all) blew up well under their claimed wattage. If yours is one of the bad ones, stick to your GTS250 until you get the new PSU. I wouldn't just "try it," because often when a PSU fails in such a glorious fashion, it takes other parts with it into the fiery abyss.



Thank You for the tip. I went through the reviews at Hardwaresecrets and what do you know, there they had a review on my PSU, Huntkey 550W Green Star. Here is the link if anyone wants to watch a PSU blow up. Watch the Youtube video.

http://www.hardwaresecrets.com/article/Huntkey-Green-St...

The Antec Quattro 850W is still out of stck so I have ordered the Antec HCG 620W for now. I will replace it if I do decide to do crossfire.

Here is the link for the Antec PSU.

http://www.antec.com/Believe_it/global/product.php?id=M...
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a b U Graphics card
August 29, 2011 2:43:05 PM

For only $20 more the 6950 2GB is the easy choice.
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August 29, 2011 2:50:24 PM

Excellent, I'm glad you'll be able to use either one without killing your PC; that would really byte.
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August 30, 2011 7:25:18 AM

Best answer selected by Rizlla.
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a c 199 U Graphics card
August 30, 2011 9:41:10 AM

Thanks. Glad to help.
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