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Is intel competing fairly against ARM?

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January 26, 2012 4:30:41 AM

Intel is entering the mobile market and taking it seriously against ARM. But intel is making CPU using 22nm and 14nm while ARM is using 32nm and 20nm.
The key factor in this CPU designs is they are aiming for lower TDP.
I think that intel has already a clear advantage here, Do you think it is fair to compare a CPU/SOC with a 14nm node against a 20nm node?

If intel would invest heavily on R&D, can they make a CPU that has the same TDP of ARM cortex A9 but more powerful using 45nm node?
(theoretically speaking)



January 26, 2012 9:02:34 AM

Yeah look, Intel is clearly being unfair by using their process advantage against ARM, let's hope the Federal Regulators break them up for doing so.
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January 26, 2012 9:26:18 AM

darkstar845 said:

If intel would invest heavily on R&D, can they make a CPU that has the same TDP of ARM cortex A9 but more powerful using 45nm node?
(theoretically speaking)

They invested heavily in R&D to get to 14 and 22 nm. Why would they want to go backwards? To be "fair"?
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January 26, 2012 9:26:21 AM

In all honest, no its not fair but to be honest Business's arnt fair and just step back and think how stupid it would be on intels part to NOT use there further advanced technology.....

Isnt that what brings customers to there doors, the fact that they have a better product than there competitors. In summary no its not morally fair on intels part but its stupid to try and be fair when your trying to beat your business competition.

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January 26, 2012 9:26:22 AM

Intel will probably have the advantage but they need to seriously fix up the abomination they call a gpu department cause they need a good chip with cpu and gpu power to compete well.

As for the processes, intel pays for what intel can. ARM can be a step behind but still compete as long as they have good design simply due to x86 being inefficient with lots of useless code paths.
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January 26, 2012 9:33:14 AM

signor said:
In summary no its not morally fair on intels part ...

Has nothing to do with "morally fair", either.
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January 26, 2012 9:37:44 AM

its not fare that intel payed for stuff that it gets to use!!!!
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January 26, 2012 9:43:37 AM

Those that can, do.Those that can't, go out of business. It is the circle of life.
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January 26, 2012 9:53:56 AM

Intel intend to wipe the floor with everybody. And good on em for wanting to.

Once intel get SoC down to a fine art they can use the fact that x86 is much faster than ARM and they can use their experience with the low power Atoms to bring the TDP Down.

As stated they are one up on the manufacturing process compared to everyone else which helps with the TDP issue again.

Intel are aware of the fact that the competition in the Desktop x86 market is almost dead and AMD are moving into the mobile market. Competition is good for business. In due course Intel will see themselves competing against ARM and all their developers and AMD on the SoC front. I personally cannot wait because It will push the SoC market into a new age, and with Intels Tick/Tock business model pushing it every 2 years at the very least the others will be forced to compete. As a result we will see double the speed of innovation in terms of performance per watt. This means phones with talk times in excess of 5 days and performance comparable to desktops.
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January 26, 2012 4:34:56 PM

Who cares that's business. A company does what it has to to make money the ones that don't go out of business.
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January 26, 2012 5:01:27 PM

The only question here is "can the succeed" in improving a product - What in the name of XXXX has fairness got to do with it!!!

I apologize for the poor schooling those that think it's unfair received. In anything if the product is going to improve the usage - BRING IT ON, and let the chips fall where they may
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January 26, 2012 7:40:49 PM

http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/medfield-krait-smar...

It's not just that Intel is a couple process steps beyond Qualcomm and the other ARM licensees. It's also that as ARM designs will need to go out-of-order soon to bring the necessary IPC improvements to the next gen of devices, Intel has nearly 20 years experience doing precisely that. Once Intel has the necessary power budget to accomplish it, Atom can go OoO and benefit from those 2 decades of world-class leadership. Ditto with advanced cache algorithms and memory management.

In short, ARM will likely have to venture into areas where Intel is the world leader, in order to increase performance. So the design ball game is moving to Intel's home field too.
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