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I´m looking to get the EOS 350D but want to know if you can set the screen
to show you what you are taking pictures of... (to give you a real time
preview on the LCD screen) and if not, are all Digital Reflex cameras the
same?
Does anyone have a EOS 350D camera and how do they get on with it... is it
good, or is there anything bad about it?
"Silvia Barge" <silcami@mundosinspam-r.com> wrote in message
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> I´m looking to get the EOS 350D but want to know if you can set the screen
> to show you what you are taking pictures of... (to give you a real time
> preview on the LCD screen) and if not, are all Digital Reflex cameras the
> same?
>
> Does anyone have a EOS 350D camera and how do they get on with it... is it
> good, or is there anything bad about it?
>
> Thanks in advance
>
> Silvia
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Yep they are all like that. Different engineering & goals make it
impractical.
Silvia Barge wrote:
> I´m looking to get the EOS 350D but want to know if you can set the screen
> to show you what you are taking pictures of... (to give you a real time
> preview on the LCD screen) and if not, are all Digital Reflex cameras the
> same?
>
> Does anyone have a EOS 350D camera and how do they get on with it... is it
> good, or is there anything bad about it?
>
> Thanks in advance
>
> Silvia
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"Pete D" <no@email.com> wrote in message
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> Gaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh.
Come on Pete, at least she didn't ask about "movie mode"!!!!
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In article <d3ph4j$mn10@cesio.mundo-r.com>,
"Silvia Barge" <silcami@mundosinspam-r.com> wrote:
> I´m looking to get the EOS 350D but want to know if you can set the screen
> to show you what you are taking pictures of... (to give you a real time
> preview on the LCD screen) and if not, are all Digital Reflex cameras the
> same?
All the same. A partially silvered mirror shines some light up to the
viewfinder and a fully silvered mirror behind it shines the remaining
light down to the focusing and metering hardware. You loose live
preview but you get an accurate viewfinder and lightning fast shutter
response.
The 20Da has a live preview mode for fine tuning focus. It's the
astrophotography version of the 20D. It wouldn't be useful for normal
photography.
You get adaptors that will change the angle of the viewfinder.
> Does anyone have a EOS 350D camera and how do they get on with it... is it
> good, or is there anything bad about it?
>
> Thanks in advance
>
> Silvia
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"Kevin McMurtrie" <mcmurtri@dslextreme.com> escribió en el mensaje
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> In article <d3ph4j$mn10@cesio.mundo-r.com>,
> "Silvia Barge" <silcami@mundosinspam-r.com> wrote:
>
> > I´m looking to get the EOS 350D but want to know if you can set the
screen
> > to show you what you are taking pictures of... (to give you a real time
> > preview on the LCD screen) and if not, are all Digital Reflex cameras
the
> > same?
>
> All the same. A partially silvered mirror shines some light up to the
> viewfinder and a fully silvered mirror behind it shines the remaining
> light down to the focusing and metering hardware. You loose live
> preview but you get an accurate viewfinder and lightning fast shutter
> response.
>
> The 20Da has a live preview mode for fine tuning focus. It's the
> astrophotography version of the 20D. It wouldn't be useful for normal
> photography.
>
> You get adaptors that will change the angle of the viewfinder.
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"Psych-O-Delic Voodoo Thunder Pig" <testing@123> wrote in message
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> "Pete D" <no@email.com> wrote in message
> news:kJY7e.12546$5F3.2612@news-server.bigpond.net.au...
>> Gaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh.
>
>
> Come on Pete, at least she didn't ask about "movie mode"!!!!
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"Psych-O-Delic Voodoo Thunder Pig" <testing@123> wrote in message
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> "Pete D" <no@email.com> wrote in message
> news:kJY7e.12546$5F3.2612@news-server.bigpond.net.au...
>> Gaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh.
>
>
> Come on Pete, at least she didn't ask about "movie mode"!!!!
I also have a Sony V1 (along with the D-SLR's} and it actually does quite
good small movies and the sound is surprisingly good.
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"Pete D" <no@email.com> escribió en el mensaje
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>
> "Psych-O-Delic Voodoo Thunder Pig" <testing@123> wrote in message
> news:is-dnY6ZiOBs7v3fRVn-hg@comcast.com...
> >
> > "Pete D" <no@email.com> wrote in message
> > news:kJY7e.12546$5F3.2612@news-server.bigpond.net.au...
> >>
Gaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaahhhh
hhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh.
> >
> >
> > Come on Pete, at least she didn't ask about "movie mode"!!!!
>
> LOL, thank goodness for small mercies.
>
>
You are all sooo wise, I really feel humbled in your company.
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In article <d3ph4j$mn10@cesio.mundo-r.com>, Silvia Barge
<silcami@mundosinspam-r.com> wrote:
> I´m looking to get the EOS 350D but want to know if you can set the screen
> to show you what you are taking pictures of... (to give you a real time
> preview on the LCD screen) and if not, are all Digital Reflex cameras the
> same?
If you still have the box it came in, put it back in the box, take it
back from where you bought it, and get your money back. Stick with a
P&S.
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"Silvia Barge" <silcami@mundosinspam-r.com> wrote in message
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> "Pete D" <no@email.com> escribió en el mensaje
> news:8u48e.12967$5F3.4803@news-server.bigpond.net.au...
>>
>> "Psych-O-Delic Voodoo Thunder Pig" <testing@123> wrote in message
>> news:is-dnY6ZiOBs7v3fRVn-hg@comcast.com...
>> >
>> > "Pete D" <no@email.com> wrote in message
>> > news:kJY7e.12546$5F3.2612@news-server.bigpond.net.au...
>> >>
> Gaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaahhhh
> hhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh.
>> >
>> >
>> > Come on Pete, at least she didn't ask about "movie mode"!!!!
>>
>> LOL, thank goodness for small mercies.
>>
>>
> You are all sooo wise, I really feel humbled in your company.
>
> Silvia
Seriously Silvia, the reason you buy a camera like this is because it is an
SLR, by definition there will be a mirror in the way that will normally
prevent you viewing on screen what you can see in the viewfinder, learn to
use the viewfinder and you will take better photos. If you really, really
need to take photos over your head then learn to point in the right
direction for those shots or buy a ladder, get up high and look through the
viewfinder, you will take better photos. Same goes for down low, get an
angle viewfinder attachment. If all this is too hard then just go for one of
the better all in one cameras that have a swivel screen and lots of
features, but remember to use the viewfinder when you can because you will
take better photos.
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Randall Ainsworth wrote:
> In article <d3ph4j$mn10@cesio.mundo-r.com>, Silvia Barge
> <silcami@mundosinspam-r.com> wrote:
>
>
>>I´m looking to get the EOS 350D but want to know if you can set the screen
>>to show you what you are taking pictures of... (to give you a real time
>>preview on the LCD screen) and if not, are all Digital Reflex cameras the
>>same?
>
>
> If you still have the box it came in, put it back in the box, take it
> back from where you bought it, and get your money back. Stick with a
> P&S.
To answer the question, yes, they are.
And I agree with the above advice. I don't think a DSLR is your cup of tea.
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Silvia Barge <silcami@mundosinspam-r.com> wrote:
>I?m looking to get the EOS 350D but want to know if you can set the screen
>to show you what you are taking pictures of... (to give you a real time
>preview on the LCD screen) and if not, are all Digital Reflex cameras the
>same?
All are the same. The "reflex" in the name means that
the image through the lens is reflected up to the top of
the camera by a mirror and then reflected again out through
the viewfinder.
Unlike a non-SLR what you see is what the lens sees (except
that the viewfinder often crops the view a bit at the edges.)
When you press the shutter button the main mirror flips up,
the shutter opens and the picture is taken.
Then and only then is the sensor read and its output shown
on the screen (if you have it turned on.)
>Does anyone have a EOS 350D camera and how do they get on with it... is it
>good, or is there anything bad about it?
I can't help you here. I've only got the earlier EOS 300D, which
I dearly love.
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Pete D <no@email.com> wrote:
>"Psych-O-Delic Voodoo Thunder Pig" <testing@123> wrote in message
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>> "Pete D" <no@email.com> wrote in message
>> news:kJY7e.12546$5F3.2612@news-server.bigpond.net.au...
>>> Gaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh.
>>
>>
>> Come on Pete, at least she didn't ask about "movie mode"!!!!
>LOL, thank goodness for small mercies.
Right. Newbies have no right to ask questions. Thank
goodness I'm not a newbie...
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Pete D wrote:
> Seriously Silvia, the reason you buy a camera like this is because it is an
> SLR, by definition there will be a mirror in the way that will normally
> prevent you viewing on screen what you can see in the viewfinder,
Well, is there any technical problem to flip the mirror
out of the way (losing the picture in the optical viewfinder,
of course), if I want it that way?
> learn to use the viewfinder and you will take better photos.
Maybe, but e.g. I am regularly using live histogram in more
difficult lighting conditions - do I lose that possibility too?
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>>>
>>> Come on Pete, at least she didn't ask about "movie mode"!!!!
>
>>LOL, thank goodness for small mercies.
>
> Right. Newbies have no right to ask questions. Thank
> goodness I'm not a newbie...
>
> ---- Paul J. Gans
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"Stanislav Meduna" <stano@meduna.org> wrote in message
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> Pete D wrote:
>
>> Seriously Silvia, the reason you buy a camera like this is because it is
>> an
>> SLR, by definition there will be a mirror in the way that will normally
>> prevent you viewing on screen what you can see in the viewfinder,
>
> Well, is there any technical problem to flip the mirror
> out of the way (losing the picture in the optical viewfinder,
> of course), if I want it that way?
>
>> learn to use the viewfinder and you will take better photos.
>
> Maybe, but e.g. I am regularly using live histogram in more
> difficult lighting conditions - do I lose that possibility too?
>
> --
> Stano
Actually the Canon 20Ds or is it the 20Da will do live preview but will cost
lots more.
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Paul J Gans <gans@panix.com> wrote in message news:<d3sj2a$s49$4@reader1.panix.com>...
> Silvia Barge <silcami@mundosinspam-r.com> wrote:
> >I?m looking to get the EOS 350D but want to know if you can set the screen
> >to show you what you are taking pictures of... (to give you a real time
> >preview on the LCD screen) and if not, are all Digital Reflex cameras the
> >same?
>
> All are the same. The "reflex" in the name means that
> the image through the lens is reflected up to the top of
> the camera by a mirror and then reflected again out through
> the viewfinder.
>
> Unlike a non-SLR what you see is what the lens sees (except
> that the viewfinder often crops the view a bit at the edges.)
>
> When you press the shutter button the main mirror flips up,
> the shutter opens and the picture is taken.
>
> Then and only then is the sensor read and its output shown
> on the screen (if you have it turned on.)
Just to make things slightly more confusing, Canon anounced the EOS
20Da.
<http://www.dpreview.com/news/0502/05021405canoneos20da.asp>
It can be used to compose (and focus?) with the mirror locked-up using
the LCD on the back.
I don't realy know if this is possible in everyday conditions, because
it is aparently being marketed to astronomy photographers (the "a"
seems to stand for "astronomy" ).
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"Stanislav Meduna" <stano@meduna.org> wrote in message
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> Pete D wrote:
>
>> Seriously Silvia, the reason you buy a camera like this is because it is
>> an
>> SLR, by definition there will be a mirror in the way that will normally
>> prevent you viewing on screen what you can see in the viewfinder,
>
> Well, is there any technical problem to flip the mirror
> out of the way (losing the picture in the optical viewfinder,
> of course), if I want it that way?
Yes.
The shutter will still be closed, so no light will reach the sensor.
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"dj NME" <dj_nme@hotmail.com> escribió en el mensaje
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> Paul J Gans <gans@panix.com> wrote in message
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> > All are the same. The "reflex" in the name means that
> > the image through the lens is reflected up to the top of
> > the camera by a mirror and then reflected again out through
> > the viewfinder.
> >
> > Unlike a non-SLR what you see is what the lens sees (except
> > that the viewfinder often crops the view a bit at the edges.)
> > When you press the shutter button the main mirror flips up,
> > the shutter opens and the picture is taken.
> >
> > Then and only then is the sensor read and its output shown
> > on the screen (if you have it turned on.)
>
> Just to make things slightly more confusing, Canon anounced the EOS
> 20Da.
> <http://www.dpreview.com/news/0502/05021405canoneos20da.asp>
> It can be used to compose (and focus?) with the mirror locked-up using
> the LCD on the back.
> I don't realy know if this is possible in everyday conditions, because
> it is aparently being marketed to astronomy photographers (the "a"
> seems to stand for "astronomy" ).
Thank you very much to all of you for your kindness.
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"Pete D" <no@email.com> wrote in message
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>
> Actually the Canon 20Ds or is it the 20Da will do live preview but will
> cost lots more.
>
Not sure what the 20Ds is, but the 20Da is a special version released in
Japan. It doesn't do a true live preview as it is only available for brief
intervals.
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"dj NME" <dj_nme@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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>
> Just to make things slightly more confusing, Canon anounced the EOS
> 20Da.
> <http://www.dpreview.com/news/0502/05021405canoneos20da.asp>
> It can be used to compose (and focus?) with the mirror locked-up using
> the LCD on the back.
> I don't realy know if this is possible in everyday conditions, because
> it is aparently being marketed to astronomy photographers (the "a"
> seems to stand for "astronomy" ).
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Stanislav Meduna <stano@meduna.org> wrote:
>Pete D wrote:
>> Seriously Silvia, the reason you buy a camera like this is because it is an
>> SLR, by definition there will be a mirror in the way that will normally
>> prevent you viewing on screen what you can see in the viewfinder,
>Well, is there any technical problem to flip the mirror
>out of the way (losing the picture in the optical viewfinder,
>of course), if I want it that way?
>> learn to use the viewfinder and you will take better photos.
>Maybe, but e.g. I am regularly using live histogram in more
>difficult lighting conditions - do I lose that possibility too?
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dj NME <dj_nme@hotmail.com> wrote:
>Paul J Gans <gans@panix.com> wrote in message news:<d3sj2a$s49$4@reader1.panix.com>...
>> Silvia Barge <silcami@mundosinspam-r.com> wrote:
>> >I?m looking to get the EOS 350D but want to know if you can set the screen
>> >to show you what you are taking pictures of... (to give you a real time
>> >preview on the LCD screen) and if not, are all Digital Reflex cameras the
>> >same?
>>
>> All are the same. The "reflex" in the name means that
>> the image through the lens is reflected up to the top of
>> the camera by a mirror and then reflected again out through
>> the viewfinder.
>>
>> Unlike a non-SLR what you see is what the lens sees (except
>> that the viewfinder often crops the view a bit at the edges.)
>>
>> When you press the shutter button the main mirror flips up,
>> the shutter opens and the picture is taken.
>>
>> Then and only then is the sensor read and its output shown
>> on the screen (if you have it turned on.)
>Just to make things slightly more confusing, Canon anounced the EOS
>20Da.
><http://www.dpreview.com/news/0502/05021405canoneos20da.asp>
>It can be used to compose (and focus?) with the mirror locked-up using
>the LCD on the back.
>I don't realy know if this is possible in everyday conditions, because
>it is aparently being marketed to astronomy photographers (the "a"
>seems to stand for "astronomy" ).
Yes. It is a special purpose camera and correspondingly
expensive.
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"Silvia Barge" <silcami@mundosinspam-r.com> wrote in message news:<d3ph4j$mn10@cesio.mundo-r.com>...
> I´m looking to get the EOS 350D but want to know if you can set the screen
> to show you what you are taking pictures of... (to give you a real time
> preview on the LCD screen) and if not, are all Digital Reflex cameras the
> same?
>
> Does anyone have a EOS 350D camera and how do they get on with it... is it
> good, or is there anything bad about it?
>
> Thanks in advance
>
> Silvia
The LCD screen of the 300D and 350D gives you access to the setup menu
and gives you a preview of the picture AFTER the shot; the lenght of
the preview you can choose. This is because it's a reflex camera and
you can have much more control on your shot watching through the
finder (TTL). If you want to use the LCD screen I suggest you a
compact reflex, they have good sensors, built in flash, good optical
zoom and the possibility to add various lenses.
Bye, Antonio
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"Zezaree" <zezaree@libero.it> wrote in message
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> "Silvia Barge" <silcami@mundosinspam-r.com> wrote in message
> news:<d3ph4j$mn10@cesio.mundo-r.com>...
>> I´m looking to get the EOS 350D but want to know if you can set the
>> screen
>> to show you what you are taking pictures of... (to give you a real time
>> preview on the LCD screen) and if not, are all Digital Reflex cameras the
>> same?
>>
>> Does anyone have a EOS 350D camera and how do they get on with it... is
>> it
>> good, or is there anything bad about it?
>>
>> Thanks in advance
>>
>> Silvia
>
> The LCD screen of the 300D and 350D gives you access to the setup menu
> and gives you a preview of the picture AFTER the shot; the lenght of
> the preview you can choose. This is because it's a reflex camera and
> you can have much more control on your shot watching through the
> finder (TTL). If you want to use the LCD screen I suggest you a
> compact reflex, they have good sensors, built in flash, good optical
> zoom and the possibility to add various lenses.
> Bye, Antonio
I'm not trying to be sarcastic, but could you explain how the TTL view gives
you much more control of your shot, over the LCD? Isn't what is being
projected by the LCD screen, resulting from what the camera's sensor is
seeing "through the lens"? I fully understand the advantages in a film
camera, TTL, vs. view finder technology. But I don't understand how it
applies to digital, and TTL, vs LCD.
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"Bill Crocker" <wcrocker007@comcast.net> wrote in message
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>
> "Zezaree" <zezaree@libero.it> wrote in message
> news:250577c.0504240121.d7f726c@posting.google.com...
> > "Silvia Barge" <silcami@mundosinspam-r.com> wrote in message
> > news:<d3ph4j$mn10@cesio.mundo-r.com>...
> >> I´m looking to get the EOS 350D but want to know if you can set the
> >> screen
> >> to show you what you are taking pictures of... (to give you a real time
> >> preview on the LCD screen) and if not, are all Digital Reflex cameras
the
> >> same?
> >>
> >> Does anyone have a EOS 350D camera and how do they get on with it... is
> >> it
> >> good, or is there anything bad about it?
> >>
> >> Thanks in advance
> >>
> >> Silvia
> >
> > The LCD screen of the 300D and 350D gives you access to the setup menu
> > and gives you a preview of the picture AFTER the shot; the lenght of
> > the preview you can choose. This is because it's a reflex camera and
> > you can have much more control on your shot watching through the
> > finder (TTL). If you want to use the LCD screen I suggest you a
> > compact reflex, they have good sensors, built in flash, good optical
> > zoom and the possibility to add various lenses.
> > Bye, Antonio
>
> I'm not trying to be sarcastic, but could you explain how the TTL view
gives
> you much more control of your shot, over the LCD? Isn't what is being
> projected by the LCD screen, resulting from what the camera's sensor is
> seeing "through the lens"? I fully understand the advantages in a film
> camera, TTL, vs. view finder technology. But I don't understand how it
> applies to digital, and TTL, vs LCD.
In theory, you'd think that EVFs/LCDs would be better, but in practice, a
good SLR viewfinder (for example the Nikon F100, which is truly a joy to
look through) is worlds better than any EVF/LCD. The current low end
SLRs/dSLRs split the difference, but are still a lot better that current
EVFs/LCDs. For example, with a prime on my 300D, I can manually focus and
get the same point the AF would have (it beeps and shows you which AF point
is in focus when you half press the shutter in manual focus mode) pretty
much all the time, and quite quickly, too. (It's harder with slower zooms,
of course.) The EVFs/LCDs are much lower resolution, much more sluggish in
response, and much dimmer in bright light.
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Bill Crocker wrote:
[]
> I'm not trying to be sarcastic, but could you explain how the TTL
> view gives you much more control of your shot, over the LCD? Isn't
> what is being projected by the LCD screen, resulting from what the
> camera's sensor is seeing "through the lens"? I fully understand the
> advantages in a film camera, TTL, vs. view finder technology. But I
> don't understand how it applies to digital, and TTL, vs LCD.
Bill, in essence you are correct, most digital cameras today provide the
"Reflex" part of the SLR but do so electronically. Taking the EVF
(providing up-to-the-eye viewing like an SLR), the image may be smaller
than with the SLR finder and, because of the small number of pixels used
for the EVF (or LCD) it will not have as high a resolution making actions
like determining an exact focus point or previewing depth-of-field more
difficult.
Of course there are advantages as well - the LCD can swivel and allow
viewing in situations where it is impossible with the SLR-style
conventional viewfinder, and in low-light conditions the camera can
"gain-up", i.e. increase the apparent brightness on the LCD display and
allow you to see things which may be difficult with the naked eye. Not
all cameras do this, though.
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