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October 26, 2011 10:10:21 AM

Hi there everyone one :hello:  , this is my first post :D 

I have come here to seek some advice and information about my upcoming and first build.

So first, i'll tell you when I plan on purchasing, December 1st-15th 2011.

I plan to purchase everything off of this website www.pccasegear.com (Australian).

I am starting fresh so I need everything.

I don't plan on going SLI.

I am very concerned about looks and I would like to have a colour theme, in this case (pun intended) blue and red.

This is what I have down so far as components go:

Case - http://www.pccasegear.com/index.php?main_page=product_i...

CPU - http://www.pccasegear.com/index.php?main_page=product_i...

GPU - http://www.pccasegear.com/index.php?main_page=product_i...

SSD 1 - http://www.pccasegear.com/index.php?main_page=product_i...

SSD 2 - http://www.pccasegear.com/index.php?main_page=product_i...

MoBo - http://www.pccasegear.com/index.php?main_page=product_i...

RAM - http://www.pccasegear.com/index.php?main_page=product_i...

Disc drive - http://www.pccasegear.com/index.php?main_page=product_i...

PSU - http://www.pccasegear.com/index.php?main_page=product_i...

Monitor - http://www.pccasegear.com/index.php?main_page=product_i...

This is also what I had in mind for Cooling:

CPU waterblock - http://www.pccasegear.com/index.php?main_page=product_i...

Pump - http://www.pccasegear.com/index.php?main_page=product_i...

Radiator - http://www.pccasegear.com/index.php?main_page=product_i...

Tubing - http://www.pccasegear.com/index.php?main_page=product_i...

Liquid - http://www.pccasegear.com/index.php?main_page=product_i...

Reservoir - http://www.pccasegear.com/index.php?main_page=product_i...

Fans - http://www.pccasegear.com/index.php?main_page=product_i...

Fittings - ?

And this is what I have as far as software goes:

Security - http://www.pccasegear.com/index.php?main_page=product_i...

Internet security - http://www.pccasegear.com/index.php?main_page=product_i...

OS - http://www.pccasegear.com/index.php?main_page=product_i...

And this is all my personal peripherals choices:

Mouse - http://www.pccasegear.com/index.php?main_page=product_i...

Mouse mat - http://www.pccasegear.com/index.php?main_page=product_i...

Keyboard - http://www.pccasegear.com/index.php?main_page=product_i...

Headset - http://www.pccasegear.com/index.php?main_page=product_i...

Case lighting - http://www.pccasegear.com/index.php?main_page=product_i...

Monitor back light - http://www.pccasegear.com/index.php?main_page=product_i...

Total cost comes just under $3500

Please leave me feed back and what I should and shouldn't do. Also give me advice on fittings, I still don't fully understand it :cry: 

Thanks for your time :D 

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October 26, 2011 10:19:28 AM

That case doesn't seem very good for watercooling. If you're only going to use one 120mm rad get a Corsair H80 or whatever it's called.
October 26, 2011 10:36:06 AM

Thanks, I really like the case though, it is everything I need in a case, looks stylish and my GPU has awesome cooling capability, or so I have read.

I would really prefer to have my own water cooling setup so it can be unique and my own, which is also a reason I picked this case.

More advice would be appreciated :) 
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October 26, 2011 10:45:49 AM

I would recommend a Double 120mm radiator for your cpu. If you are going water cooling, you might as well give yourself the headroom to OC this i5 2500k to the cpu's full ability, not the radiators. Dont limit yourself.

If you want colored tubing, do not get colored fluid. It is going to deteriorate your system, and make for much more frequent cleanings, and possibly deteriation. Get colored tubing, and only put Distilled Water in it. There is an additive you should use for that called PTNuke. Very good for keeping your system running efficiently.

As for fittings, i dont like the push ons. get the compression fittings. easier too if this is your first water loop.

Save your money on the GTX580, and get a water block for it. Between the block and the extra for now a Quad-Radiator, you should still save some money or break even with better performance/temps. Go with a Basic ASUS, MSI, EVGA, or PNY. all are great cards, and pretty much the only difference is the cooling/fans. My opinion, you are already getting the loop for the cpu, get a loop for the gpu as well, and really take this rig up a notch! will be quieter too!

While i have heard good things about Corsair, i only really support Crucial's M4 series for SSD's. They are priced similarly, if not cheaper on newegg for the same storage capacity, and are rated #1 for reliability and performance. GREAT SSD's!

dont waste money on internet/anti-virus security. AVAST has a free download, combined with Win7's awesome firewall, you wont need anything but free.


This is purely curiosity, but why a water loop? personal preference? Performance? Need quiet rig?
October 26, 2011 11:28:24 AM

I wanted a water loop because it looks cool, the case doesn't have the possibility of having lots of fans and I think it would be a good investment. I was thinking of a double 120mm radiator but though it wasn't worth the extra money for just one CPU.

Also the GPU that I want has great cooling and 120mm radiator x2 wouldn't be nearly enough for a GPU let alone a CPU as well.

Thanks!
October 26, 2011 11:33:47 AM

You would need a quad-120mm rad for the both of them. While the lightening series does have great cooling, it will run loud if you turn up the fan on the gpu. Also, with this case, you might not have enough airflow for the heat to dissapate appropriately. This is why i recommended a single, 4-120mm rad for both the gpu and cpu, with a less expensive gpu in the GTX580 series. I would recommend you visit the Water Cooling portion of our forums here, as i am not a WC pro, and really not even a novice. Im just going by what others have said. There are many veterans in that section that would be more than helpful for helping you. You have a great budget, but i feel there are improvements you could make.
October 26, 2011 11:44:57 AM

casualbuilder said:
You would need a quad-120mm rad for the both of them. While the lightening series does have great cooling, it will run loud if you turn up the fan on the gpu. Also, with this case, you might not have enough airflow for the heat to dissapate appropriately. This is why i recommended a single, 4-120mm rad for both the gpu and cpu, with a less expensive gpu in the GTX580 series. I would recommend you visit the Water Cooling portion of our forums here, as i am not a WC pro, and really not even a novice. Im just going by what others have said. There are many veterans in that section that would be more than helpful for helping you. You have a great budget, but i feel there are improvements you could make.

Yeah, maybe but It won't fin in the case :( 

Thanks anyway :) 

Please leave more advice everyone ;) 
October 26, 2011 11:54:38 AM

If you like red, look at the HAF 922/932/X. Much better Air Flow, and you can fit any radiator in there. Red theme still, but much much larger for fitting things in there. Just a suggestion, but honestly, that case looks awesome, but lacks in future proofing for upgrades and useability.
October 26, 2011 12:10:26 PM

casualbuilder said:
If you like red, look at the HAF 922/932/X. Much better Air Flow, and you can fit any radiator in there. Red theme still, but much much larger for fitting things in there. Just a suggestion, but honestly, that case looks awesome, but lacks in future proofing for upgrades and useability.

Thanks, but the HAF series is so mainstream and I want something that stands out and perfects my needs. It has EVERYTHING I need and looks awesome while doing it. Also It is made by such a trusted and quality brand.

Thanks, again and more recommendations would be nice :D 
October 26, 2011 12:32:36 PM

not to be pushy, but that case does not have EVERYTHING. It isn't very future proof, not great air flow, and it wont house a big enough Radiator for your to put in a full WC Loop. The CM HAF may be mainstream, but its that way for a good reason. Housing is fully capable for any fan/WC system, and it is edgy. The HAF X is filled with goodies, and CM's HAF series is top of the line too. Lian Li has a "cult" following, and quite frankly, performance is good. But for their performance, their cases seem to lack "functionality", especially with that conch shell design.

If you want advice, this is mine. That case is not suitable for your needs, or at least not with what you are looking at putting in there.
October 26, 2011 12:33:37 PM

A custom loop just doesn't seem worth it if it's going to be this mild so to speak.
October 26, 2011 12:34:56 PM

I agree with casual, either get a better, bigger case to accommodate a proper custom setup, or get the case you linked with a preassembled setup/air cooling.
October 26, 2011 12:42:20 PM

A lot of people here have taken time to write great replies. You seem like you're looking for approval not advice.
October 26, 2011 1:02:02 PM

Once again, thanks for the feedback. I said it has everything ''I'' need and I bet I could fit a custom water loop in it. Keep the responces coming and is that the only negatige thing about my build? The case?

Thanks.
October 26, 2011 1:07:46 PM

The case. Not trying to beat a dead horse, but a gpu with a great fan will only blow hot air from your gpu to the inside of your case, as i see not a great air flow system with that lian li. lian li is the quiet, executive type models of cases. Great for looks, great for sound dampening, but not very practical for higher end gaming cases. if you dont like CM's cases because they are "Mainstream", thats fine, we can get you an AZZA 1000 which is practically half the price, and will still serve you much better.

From everyone here, and not just me, we are concerned for your case choice. The gpu could, and probably will over heat in that case due to lack of high air flow, as that is a performance chip. I think the WC Loop for the cpu is a great choice, however, a custom loop that doesnt include a partition for the awesome gpu you are looking at is a waste of money. Just buy the H100 for your cpu. you probably wont see much of a difference in performance.

No case airflow, and it doesnt matter how "badass" your gpu's hsf is. It will effect performance. So, it doesn't have everything you "need". just everything you "want". Big difference.
October 26, 2011 1:16:31 PM

Thanks for explaining that to me, I was blind to the fact of bad air flow in that case. Do you think I would be able to get a large enough radiator in there to cool tye GPU and CPU?

Thanks.
October 26, 2011 1:24:08 PM

like i said, for that gpu series, and the cpu, at least a triple 120mm rad, if not a quad-rad. I would suggest going to the water cooling forums on toms though and get some more veteran opinions. they will know better what you need.
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