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August 28, 2011 8:12:33 PM

Hello,

My computer has the following specs:

HP Pavilion 6210y(NY544AA-ABA)
300 watt PSU (unknown details)
Windows 7 Home Premium
AMD Athlon II x4 620
6GB RAM
NVIDIA GeForce 9100
500 WD Caviar Blue HDD
15-in-1 media reader
DVD drive read/write
6 USB Devices

i have a 1680*1050 monitor
i am deciding on purchasing the 5670 or even the 5750.
The gts 440 is a bit on the expensive side, i would like to spend no more than $100.

i play mostly racing games and some fps.
i would like about 35 fps in the modern games.
any suggestions?
a b ) Power supply
August 28, 2011 8:23:10 PM

Get the 5670, no power supply issues for that one.
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a b ) Power supply
August 28, 2011 8:26:05 PM

Well you should probably stick to the 5670/6670, because they don't require a PCI-e power connector from the PSU. Not sure the HP PSU has a PCI-e power connector (not likely).
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August 28, 2011 8:31:18 PM

ok and how is overall performance of the card?
right now on my 9100 (intergrated) i get 15 fps on dirt 2 on the lowest settings @ 1280*768. i would like to have 40 fps at 1360*768 or better.
on burnout Paradise, i get 25 fps on medium settings at 1360*768. i would like to run high settings at 50 fps on this game.
additionally, i am thinking of purchasing a 3d monitor sometime in the future, and i heard that the only the 6670 supports 3d. is this true?
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a b ) Power supply
August 28, 2011 8:38:14 PM

Not sure on the 3D monitor part (think it's a waste, IMHO). Since your currently running on an integrated onboard GPU (usually not great on games) the dedicated GPU will make a ton of difference in games.
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August 28, 2011 8:44:53 PM

lunyone said:
Not sure on the 3D monitor part (think it's a waste, IMHO). Since your currently running on an integrated onboard GPU (usually not great on games) the dedicated GPU will make a ton of difference in games.


okay do you think the 6670 is worth the $30 more?
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a b ) Power supply
August 28, 2011 9:03:08 PM

Maybe. From what I've read the 6670 is about 10% faster than the 5670. Here is a review site to check out. You can check out other sites to see if it's worth it to you. If you budget is really tight than the 5670 will be good enough.

I'm only seeing about a $10-15 difference, linked here.
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August 28, 2011 9:10:47 PM

yea but thats the ddr3 one.
im looking at the (g)ddr5 versions. (they are faster rite?)
6670
5670
wats the difference between the ddr3 and the ddr5?
is it worth the difference?
i also see that there is quite a lot of different brands. is there a brand that i should be getting, or just look for the lowest price?
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a b ) Power supply
August 28, 2011 9:16:11 PM

Yeah forgot about the DDR5 versions. The $30 is probably not worth it at this point. If it was only $10-15 than that would make more sense.
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August 28, 2011 9:19:43 PM

so i should go for ddr3 or ddr5?
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a b ) Power supply
August 28, 2011 9:26:27 PM

DDR5 is much better, if you can afford it. The DDR3 version is fine, but DDR5 will give you better results.
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August 28, 2011 9:40:09 PM

the prices for the 5570:
1gb ddr3: $60
512mb ddr5: $70
1gb ddr5: $80

for 6670:
1gb ddr3: $75
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1gb ddr5: $100

wats the difference between the 512mb and the 1gb ddr5 5670?
i want this card for at least 3 years for modern racing games. which one will be best for my $?
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a b ) Power supply
August 28, 2011 9:48:21 PM

Well the 512mb will work for most situations (probably 1680x1050 or less resolutions). If you run under higher resolutions, it's usually better to have more vRAM, so the 1 gb DDR5 for 80 might be the one to get (sorta future proof for a newer monitor in the future??).

Ultimately it's up to you. I don't think you can go much higher on the GPU landscape with your given system and PSU, so it's up to you. Usually a $10-20 more investment now will help out in the future, IMHO. The 512mb will be fine for most things, but the extra 512mb (1 gb) might be used when you upgrade your monitor or when a particular game requires/likes it.
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a b ) Power supply
August 28, 2011 9:50:47 PM

The 5670 can't really utilize 1GB of video RAM. If money is really tight, get the 512mb version, the performance on both are virtually the same. The 1GB might be slightly more futureproof if games start using a lot of really high resolution textures, but by the time that happens the card likely won't be powerful enough to offer good performance anyway. The 5670 is an entry level gaming card, don't expect it to give you good performance at high settings for the next three years. Even at your rather low resolution it will struggle with the high settings in some titles, particularly if you want to turn on the DX11 features. If you are okay with low or medium graphics settings it might just last you three years before you need an upgrade.
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August 28, 2011 10:20:59 PM

lunyone said:
Well the 512mb will work for most situations (probably 1680x1050 or less resolutions). If you run under higher resolutions, it's usually better to have more vRAM, so the 1 gb DDR5 for 80 might be the one to get (sorta future proof for a newer monitor in the future??).

Ultimately it's up to you. I don't think you can go much higher on the GPU landscape with your given system and PSU, so it's up to you. Usually a $10-20 more investment now will help out in the future, IMHO. The 512mb will be fine for most things, but the extra 512mb (1 gb) might be used when you upgrade your monitor or when a particular game requires/likes it.


ok im gonna get the 512. any brand in specific that will perform better?
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August 28, 2011 10:22:53 PM

Supernova1138 said:
The 5670 can't really utilize 1GB of video RAM. If money is really tight, get the 512mb version, the performance on both are virtually the same. The 1GB might be slightly more futureproof if games start using a lot of really high resolution textures, but by the time that happens the card likely won't be powerful enough to offer good performance anyway. The 5670 is an entry level gaming card, don't expect it to give you good performance at high settings for the next three years. Even at your rather low resolution it will struggle with the high settings in some titles, particularly if you want to turn on the DX11 features. If you are okay with low or medium graphics settings it might just last you three years before you need an upgrade.


ok so what do you suggest for future (mainly racing) games?

do you think the 5670 will be ok with my psu?

and is there any better card i can get with my current psu?
if not, what can i get (inexpensively (under $150 total) with a new 400+watt psu?
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August 28, 2011 10:27:15 PM

lunyone said:
Personally I've really good luck with Sapphire brands, but to each his own.
This looks good, if you going with 512mb DDR5 version??
SAPPHIRE 100287VGAL Radeon HD 5670 (Redwood) 512MB 128-bit DDR5 PCI Express 2.1 x16 HDCP Ready Video Card


alrighty!
http://www.amazon.com/Sapphire-Radeon-PCI-Express-Graph...
seems good for me!
can u take a guess what fps i will get on games 2 years from now on mid settings? (like NFS The Run 2 [the run 1 is releasing this year]) how about modern warfare 4? (if there is going to be one)
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a b ) Power supply
August 28, 2011 10:29:36 PM

The 5670 will be okay with your current power supply. Anything above it aside from the 6670 though will necessitate a PSU upgrade. Unfortunately you aren't likely to get a 400+ watt PSU and a GPU much more powerful than the 5670 for under $150. The 5670 will still be a huge step up from the integrated graphics so if you want to even try to play PC games you probably should go for it, though you will probably want to consider a PSU and GPU upgrade sometime down the road.
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August 28, 2011 10:36:02 PM

is there a comparable nvidia card?
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a b ) Power supply
August 28, 2011 10:45:20 PM

Most of the comparable nvidia cards use significantly more power than the 5670 and would probably necessitate a PSU upgrade. The GT 240 DDR5 could run on your PSU provided you have a 6 pin PCI-E connector on your PSU (if not you'd need a molex adapter), but it is a bit slower than the 5670. The GT 545 and 8800GT which are comparable to the 5670 both use 105 watts on their own compared to the 64 watts of the 5670, I don't think your PSU can handle either of those.
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August 28, 2011 10:53:36 PM

Nvidia just fails in the performance/consumption segment.

The best option for money
HD5670 512MB/1GB GDDR5
HD6570 1GB DDR3 (even without GDDR5 it's pretty close or faster than the 5670 GDDR5)
HD6670 1GB DDR3

Consider the 6670 DDR3 if you want a 3D capable gpu(TV's).

*6670 comes with free Dirt3 coupon (MSI model).

Expect a 10x gaming performance increase. Even the integrated gpu's of the AMD A8 fusion APU's ar arpund 9x the performance of you gpu and 10% slowe than a 5570.

www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E1681910394...
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August 28, 2011 10:59:40 PM

Nintendork said:
Nvidia just fails in the performance/consumption segment.

The best option for money
HD5670 512MB/1GB GDDR5
HD6570 1GB DDR3 (even without GDDR5 it's pretty close or faster than the 5670 GDDR5)
HD6670 1GB DDR3

Consider the 6670 DDR3 if you want a 3D capable gpu(TV's).

so you're saying that the 6670 (ddr3) is faster than the 5670 (ddr5)?... is that like 1/2 fps faster or 5+ fps?
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a b ) Power supply
August 28, 2011 11:02:37 PM

I'm with supernova that you can't go any higher in the GPU class without a PSU upgrade. Most reliable and reputable PSU's will be in the $40-60 price range. So with a 5770/6770 (next up on the GPU rung) will be around the $100-130 price range and necessitate a PSU upgrade of $40-60 range. Thus this would put you in the $140-190 range if you can find the right deals.

Here's a 6770 w/free game at $123 - $20 MIR = $103, but it takes up 2 PCI slots (in space) so that has to be considered. Not sure if you have that much room in your case, but something to look into.
SAPPHIRE 100283-3L Radeon HD 5770 1GB 128-bit GDDR5 PCI Express 2.1 x16 HDCP Ready CrossFireX Support Video Card

Here's a minimum PSU that I'd use with the 5770/6770/6850 for $40 shipped!:
Antec EarthWatts Green EA-380D Green 380W Continuous power ATX12V v2.3 / EPS12V 80 PLUS BRONZE Certified Active PFC Power Supply
It comes w/1 x PCI-e power connector, but doesn't leave too much for GPU upgrades though, so keep that in mind if you go with this PSU.
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August 28, 2011 11:03:45 PM

Supernova1138 said:
Most of the comparable nvidia cards use significantly more power than the 5670 and would probably necessitate a PSU upgrade. The GT 240 DDR5 could run on your PSU provided you have a 6 pin PCI-E connector on your PSU (if not you'd need a molex adapter), but it is a bit slower than the 5670. The GT 545 and 8800GT which are comparable to the 5670 both use 105 watts on their own compared to the 64 watts of the 5670, I don't think your PSU can handle either of those.


ok so say i got a psu upgrade to 350+ watts. what cards would be the best for the last $ possible for better than the 5670/6670?
i would like to be able to play games like mw4 at at least 20-30 fps
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August 28, 2011 11:08:33 PM

lunyone said:
I'm with supernova that you can't go any higher in the GPU class without a PSU upgrade. Most reliable and reputable PSU's will be in the $40-60 price range. So with a 5770/6770 (next up on the GPU rung) will be around the $100-130 price range and necessitate a PSU upgrade of $40-60 range. Thus this would put you in the $140-190 range if you can find the right deals.

Here's a 6770 w/free game at $123 - $20 MIR = $103, but it takes up 2 PCI slots (in space) so that has to be considered. Not sure if you have that much room in your case, but something to look into.
SAPPHIRE 100283-3L Radeon HD 5770 1GB 128-bit GDDR5 PCI Express 2.1 x16 HDCP Ready CrossFireX Support Video Card

Here's a minimum PSU that I'd use with the 5770/6770/6850 for $40 shipped!:
Antec EarthWatts Green EA-380D Green 380W Continuous power ATX12V v2.3 / EPS12V 80 PLUS BRONZE Certified Active PFC Power Supply
It comes w/1 x PCI-e power connector, but doesn't leave too much for GPU upgrades though, so keep that in mind if you go with this PSU.


what about nvidia cards?
and one review on newegg said "its not a huge leap from a 5670." is this worth double the cost?
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a b ) Power supply
August 28, 2011 11:08:42 PM

You should be able to do MW4 of 20-30fps with the 5670. Did you read my post about the 5770/6770?? They are the next run up on the GPU ladder that make sense to get if your upgrading with the PSU I listed above.
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August 29, 2011 12:08:05 AM

lunyone said:
You should be able to do MW4 of 20-30fps with the 5670. Did you read my post about the 5770/6770?? They are the next run up on the GPU ladder that make sense to get if your upgrading with the PSU I listed above.


you really think its worth double the cost?
additionally, i am wondering if you think any of my other components would need upgrades.
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a b ) Power supply
August 29, 2011 12:30:13 AM

I don't think you need to upgrade anything else at this point in time. The CPU is fine for most things and you have plenty of RAM. Is the PSU/GPU worth the cost?? Well if you want to have more possibilities for upgrades I think it is. If your going to buy yourself a new build in 1-2 years than the 5670 will do the job well for that period of time, unless your gaming needs go up.
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a b ) Power supply
August 29, 2011 12:34:50 AM

Tech answer:

- there are new AMD cards coming out Q4 2011 (this year) which will use roughly 2.5x less power for the same performance. You should definitely wait for one of these.

- your current power supply is likely designed with little extra power or current. You need to be very careful. You can find much better power supplies for only $50 at NCIX.

- Your power supply should supply at least 1.25x the AMPS that the graphics card requiers. for example, a high-end GTX570 requires 38A so I'd normally recommend a 48Amp or higher PSU. (technically "Amps available on the +12V rail or rails.)

**More specific advice:
You could probably have a pretty half-decent gaming rig if you spent roughly:
1) $150 or more on a new AMD 7000 series card
2) $50 or more on a PSU that supports this new card

Summary:
- recommend waiting for AMD 7000 series
- PSU must support both Wattage AND the Amperage (Amps on +12V rail of PSU) required by the Graphics Card
- why limit to 35FPS and stutter when a little more money could give you a much better experience?
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August 29, 2011 1:39:55 AM

photonboy said:
Tech answer:

- there are new AMD cards coming out Q4 2011 (this year) which will use roughly 2.5x less power for the same performance. You should definitely wait for one of these.

- your current power supply is likely designed with little extra power or current. You need to be very careful. You can find much better power supplies for only $50 at NCIX.

- Your power supply should supply at least 1.25x the AMPS that the graphics card requiers. for example, a high-end GTX570 requires 38A so I'd normally recommend a 48Amp or higher PSU. (technically "Amps available on the +12V rail or rails.)

**More specific advice:
You could probably have a pretty half-decent gaming rig if you spent roughly:
1) $150 or more on a new AMD 7000 series card
2) $50 or more on a PSU that supports this new card

Summary:
- recommend waiting for AMD 7000 series
- PSU must support both Wattage AND the Amperage (Amps on +12V rail of PSU) required by the Graphics Card
- why limit to 35FPS and stutter when a little more money could give you a much better experience?


i dont want to spend more than $150 total, sorry for not mentioning that.
and i dont really see a point in upgrading a $500 computer with a single $200 component.
right now im looking at the GTS450 at the same price as the 5770, which is betteR?
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a b ) Power supply
August 29, 2011 7:14:14 AM

I wouldn't recommend any Rosewill PSU. They have had a pretty iffy reputation and reviews. The Antec PSU I linked earlier is all that he'd need for what he wants to do (if he wanted to upgrade the PSU). I think the OP is better off just getting the 5670 and calling it a day, IMHO. He could get the Antec 380w PSU and the 6770 for $143 after MIR's and have a much better setup, IMHO. It's up to the OP what he would like to do. I think there has been quite a bit of help for his situation :) 
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August 29, 2011 11:47:23 AM

i am going to spend the extra money and get the 6770!
im not too sure on what power supply to get because here it says that it uses quit a bit of power.
anyways that puts me at $120+$40 (only 10 over my price level)
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a b ) Power supply
August 29, 2011 12:51:49 PM

Yes and you get a quality PSU that'll last you for quite awhile. The 6770 consumes between 18-95w max!! All of your other parts shouldn't exceed around 125-150, so you have about an extra 100w to spare, which is plenty for your system :) 

** Edit ** I've included a link to a GPU power consumption chart for your perusal :) 
Here's the link, just click on the chart a couple of times to zoom in.
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August 29, 2011 3:19:05 PM

Go with the Antec Earthwatts 380W linked above, it's a great PSU. I use them in builds on a regular basis, currently have one powering a 5770 paired with a Phenom II 965 @ 4.0Ghz.

Tomshardware has used and recommended them in some of their system building marathon articles too.
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a b ) Power supply
August 29, 2011 11:14:09 PM

loneninja said:
Go with the Antec Earthwatts 380W linked above, it's a great PSU. I use them in builds on a regular basis, currently have one powering a 5770 paired with a Phenom II 965 @ 4.0Ghz.

Tomshardware has used and recommended them in some of their system building marathon articles too.

I use the 380w PSU all the time. Currently I have the older version powering a 6850 with a e6600 CPU, so you can get an idea what you can do with it.
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August 30, 2011 11:32:31 AM

Best answer selected by nnaatthhaannx2.nnoh and i ended up just buying the 5670.........
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