6870 vs 6950

Hello , i am Using Ati 6870 .

Just wanna know , will 6950 or 6970 Bring Huge Difference In Games that i play ?

my Resolution is Not That high . its 1440x900 Only .

At that resolution not that much. Whats the rest of your system ?

yeah, you don't even need a HD6870 at that resolution. I'd upgrade my monitor if I were you.

460 gtz 1gb or 6850

But EVEN My 6870 + Phenom 955 BE is not Making me that Satisfied in some games Like Crysis 1 & Warhead or DEAD RISING 2 @ DX10 ( Dx9 runs great ) !

I mean If 6870 is something more than i need then all of my Games should run 100% FAST & not 30FPS Like Crysis In HeavY Combats or Large Places !

To run Crysis at max even the 6950 probably won't be enough.

Ya man , same thing here , but My Lowest FPS is 25 , & in bad Condition is 30 & CLose distance its Smooth ( 60 ) , normal DIstance ( 40-50 ) .

Ok I have Installed ATI Tray & i will see & report you back bro .

But First let me Install Crysis , hehe . I just install it over & over again & Remove it after geting So much Disapointed !

But Look At my Setings , first of all EVEn 8x AA doesnt make my game lag , so i think VGA is Strong Enough , My res is 1440x900 ( its pretty Low & easy ) , I turned off AA , Tried VeryHigh & High Setings but both bring me the Smae Problem : FARDIstance Slowdown , EVEN there is a level that you should rescue CIA Femal Agent in the Village , that 2 tanks come to Blow you up , i get bad Slowdown in that place too !!!!

30FPs is not that much playable . Specialy WHen you expect much more than your New Expensive hardwares !

Oh man why they made such Game , game that is incompatible with all HARDWARES ! But Its very nice Game , i realy enjoy when i walk into Jungles & those Nice Places . EVEN 100 Times Playing is not Enough . & fun goes much higher WHen you can Play this game So Smooth .

i update my Catalyst always , Defrag , reg Defrag , clean , DX9 , WIndows 7 , xp ,32Bit , 64Bit , Higher Priorty & ... & Realy No Difference .

I saw ATI 6870 +oced i5 760 , which could run Crysiswarhead @ 40Fps in very heavY Conditions + fardistance . So i think its Not matter of VGA , i think its CPU Bottleneck or something .

I wish it was As fast As Crysis 2 , it Ran at 75FPS !

oh some addition now..How much ram do you have and how old is your hard disk (they could affect performance in game too). The situations you refer too (alot of combat and far distance) demand hard disk and ram performance too.

Well i am sorry but it will bottleneck a gpu. A high end gpu that needs to throw in your monitor dx11 tesselation / alot of antialiasing and high end shadows will have issues if your cpu is so low.
I also have a pc with phenom II x4 925 and i can see the bottlenecking, you can't say that the phenom II 555 isn't bottlenecking...

He can overclock the 955 and see if thats removes the bottle-neck it will help if he does. I ran crysis with a 4890 with the 955 at 3.9 and I saw no bottlenecks, the gpu was overclocked as well.

Actually, when it is as low as 2.8Ghz to 3.4Ghz it can make a quite large difference.

Take the old C2Q's for example, those would bottleneckwards at 2.8Ghz, but once bumped to 3.2Ghz, would shine.
I do have the same GPU that he does.

The only thing hat could be bottlenecking the OP is his resolution, where most of the work is on the CPU, if OP tries to overclock his CPU, the problem will go away.

This happened with my 1080p HDTV and my 720p Monitor.

No, at low resolutions, a lot of the work is handled by the CPU, at higher resolutions, more power is needed from the GPU.

1440x900 IS NOT HIGH RESOLUTION!

First things first. Do you have up to date directx and video drivers? And also, consider some games are "badly written" and some effects might hinder the performance. For example Trine (and gpus overheating), World of Tanks zoom in and (fps dropping to 10) and stuff like that.
Try a modern game, one that tomshardware is testing gpus to be sure.

Dear Robjordy , I Think your Problem is your Resolution , its Not that high for ATi 6870 , but anyway its High Res , & cpu has less to do , so i think its res , or bottleneck from other hardware . DAMN BOTTLENECK , so why do we Pay for These New HArdwares if There are Lot of Compatiblity , Optimization , Programming , Bug or ... Problems !!!!

& LETS ANswer to you all :

First See my Rig Specs :

Mobo: MSI 790FX-GD70 ( quad Crossfire ) Gaming Series

VGA: ATI 6870 Twinfrozr ( its default was 920Mhz & not 900 Like all other Gpus ) & i am using Latest Catalyst & latest Netframe work & other things ...

RAM: 2x2GB DDR3 1333Mhz SUpertalent
HDD : Hitachi 7200RPM , 16Mb Buffer , 500GB ( always Defraged & i keep my OS Drive Free & other Drivers are ALmost Empty !!!

Windows : Current is win 7 Ultimate 32bit , i tried 32 bit 7 , 7 Home , XP 32bit , 7 + DX9 Mode .

PSU : 685Watt , 80+ , 50I , Crossfire & SLi ready !!!! Gaming Series

& whatta Hell , 8GB ram ? what do i need it for ? I ran DEVMODE in Crysis ( the code that you can make it Third person ) & i saw that I uses Less than 1.5 GB Ram !

Second , i cant OC my CPu , there is no way , Because it might cause Damage , it Already Runs Too damn hot , I keep it Cool With other Things , with cool case , cool room , cooler , after market Cooler & its 60 C at game ( thank god )! GPU too !

Non of my Friends around have i5 or i7 to i can try my Gpu on it , I am sure that my VGA IS very Strong for Just a little 1440x900 & few high Setings & aa off . ALL OF MY GAMES RUN GREAT ! BUT Crysis , Damn Crysis !

But In other Hand < amd Is More Compatible with my Hardwares, Second I hear that it Wont Bottleneck unless you Do Crossfire , SO how hard is it To Transfer Data For Single ATi 6870 with no slowdown ?!?!?!

New GPU ( no way ) , Crossfire ( not at all ) , OC ( Dont even think about it ) , Upgrade to Strong intel CPu Sandy i5 2400 , because i dont Need K for OC . i5 2400 has already a Great CPU . isnt it ?

Tell me What should i DO ? No Bottleneck Detecting Software to Find Out ?

You know what the real funny part is ; i'm totally fed up with the 560TI i have because of these problems and i bought a 6870 three weeks ago. ( didn't have time yet to switch them ) ( spending too much time at forums . . . ? ) and now you're telling you have about the same problem with a . . . 6870. Yeah ! FUNNY !!!
Anyway, i'll make the switch later this week i hope, i'll let you know if there is a difference.
Btw ; i think an extra 2 ram will be nice for your rig, i played at start with the GTX465 and 4G Ram and later 6G ( now 8 ) and there was a noticeble difference in performance. ( not so between 6 and 8, so 6 is probably enough )

For RAM : i saw CLIp in Youtube , Crossfired 6850 , with i7 CPU or i5 ( i dont Remember that well ) & 24GB OF ram 1333Mhz !!!!!!

& game Would Run at 50 FPs ! I think 24 was that much that caused Bottleneck , because , Ram is a Space & should be Handled by CPu , i think it Takes CPU time too !!!!

but away i read that few Strong ram( 4Gb 1333Mhz ) is Better than , 8 GB of Weak Ram ( 600-800 )

But 8GB 1333MHz is Another thing , it might be Great Speed up plan or great bottleneck ! hehe

Oh HEHE . Man but Listen , more Ram is For high Resolution i think , I am using 1440x900 & not that high like yours !! so why do i need that extra 2 Gb ? just like they say , 2Gb VGa card is for Veyr high resoltuion & VERY High AA !

I mean How do i know if Bottleneck Gonna be more or EVEN LESSS ? by Adding 2Gb more or 4Gb more RAM ?

DOnt Worry , these Days , how much you pay will be worhtless . PC wolrd works like this , they finally gonna make game that will need 60 Core CPU with 1000Gb of RAM HEHE !

But In other hand i think 6950 or 6870 + Enough RAM + i5 2400 = will be Great & Less Bottleneck Danger !!! i5 2400 gonna Make everything Fine I think .

For me , its hard to Buy i5 2400 , its not matter of money , i promised that i wont Talk about Upgrade ,but Now i realy have to Make them , but Just one Upgrade ONLY !!!

Just answer me ? 6GB ram or 8Gb ? if 6 to 8GB will make 1-2 Fps then i dont need & i will take 6gb it but , if its Matter of Over 5 Fps or 10 , then i think i will take 8Gb option !

& please tell me if it might Rise up the Bottleneck !!! or Even make it less ! Experienced members We need you Down here . give some opinion Plz

I agree. OC the CPU. I have the Phenom 550 BE running @ 3.6 GHz and I have never had a bottleneck. It is very easy to check if this is the problem. Start the PC, OC the CPU and play a game. If it is better then you know it is the CPU.

Well you know , i saw almost Same FPS in a video About Both 6870 & 6970 , by the away if your game VGA Rendering Part is Fine but you need little More CPu Power then , upgrade of CPu is Only Solution .

I Feel that my VGA card Is not the Problem , because why 1440x900 & aa off should be that hard to render ? i am sure its about CPU or Something

Robjordy , Bro i dont say that you are wrong but as Much as Researched after your Post , ANy one said that 4Gb of ram is ENough for game & more than that is for other kind of softwares & use .

All i need is to see my Crysis running at 40 or More in heavY Condition . I think if i have strong CPu like i5 2400 then it will be able to transfer all the Data from/ to Vga with no waste of time & simply BottlenecK !!!!

I heard that as Low as Res go , CPu More & Vga Works less , so i think Stronger CPu is Sloution .

But I Saw Video that Crysis Would Run very fast in all conditons with the Same rig i have right here . But i couldnt Remember the level he was Playing , maybe it was a Mod which made to run faster than regular game !

Instead of buying a whole new PC, buy a better cooler then.

THEN overclock your CPU, much cheaper.

I tried my Cousin's Monitor ( 1600x1200 ) & I saw No Difference !

Hey I Installed Deus Ex 3 HR Few Minutes ago , & Maxed it out ! it was Running Extremly fast , over 100 Fps , CPU was normal 58 C . but Vga Went to 71 C . my Vga is MSI Twin Frozr 2 & its Cooler than Regular 6870 s ! But In same time It was SO COld in my Room ( VERY COld ) my Case Was very COLD ! i was about to Catch a Cold ! so is it Dangerous ? or its Fine ?

Oh thats good , but i expected little Lower Temp because 1. its Twinfrozr 2. my room was VEry very Cool Specialy My Case .

Ok look how fast it Runs ? Why it SHould be that fast , i saw lower Results In bench marks for Deus Ex 3 . & why Cant Crysis run little bit faster ?