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August 28, 2011 10:33:31 PM

Hello , i am Using Ati 6870 .

Just wanna know , will 6950 or 6970 Bring Huge Difference In Games that i play ?

my Resolution is Not That high . its 1440x900 Only .

More about : 6870 6950

a c 104 U Graphics card
August 28, 2011 10:36:34 PM

At that resolution not that much. Whats the rest of your system ?
a c 171 U Graphics card
August 28, 2011 10:54:27 PM

no, at 1440x900 anything more than the 6870 is a waste. You may wish to upgrade something else first, like your cpu or ram, or monitor!
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a b U Graphics card
August 28, 2011 10:58:11 PM

yeah, you don't even need a HD6870 at that resolution. I'd upgrade my monitor if I were you.
a c 104 U Graphics card
August 29, 2011 5:46:26 AM

buzznut said:
yeah, you don't even need a HD6870 at that resolution. I'd upgrade my monitor if I were you.


Yep, and a wonderfull world of detail will open for you. :lol: 
a b U Graphics card
August 29, 2011 5:59:20 AM

460 gtz 1gb or 6850
a c 104 U Graphics card
August 29, 2011 6:51:37 AM

spentshells said:
460 gtz 1gb or 6850


Huh, you want him to sell the 6870 and then buy a 460 or 6850 ?
August 29, 2011 8:51:23 AM

But EVEN My 6870 + Phenom 955 BE is not Making me that Satisfied in some games Like Crysis 1 & Warhead or DEAD RISING 2 @ DX10 ( Dx9 runs great ) !

I mean If 6870 is something more than i need then all of my Games should run 100% FAST & not 30FPS Like Crysis In HeavY Combats or Large Places !
August 29, 2011 8:54:38 AM

I was Thinking of Upgrade Phenom 955 BE to i5 2400 , to make those Little SlowDowns & performance Issues , because I reached to the 98% or more & I need Little Bit , just a bit , man its Crazy that I need 1% or Upgrade for 1%

But I realY cant Understand WHY CRYSIS SHould Slowdown when i look at Far Distance , why it Should Slowdown WHen I am In Crowded Combat Area ! WHY ?

is 1440X900 that hard for my Rig ?
a c 104 U Graphics card
August 29, 2011 8:55:39 AM

DukiNuki said:
But EVEN My 6870 + Phenom 955 BE is not Making me that Satisfied in some games Like Crysis 1 & Warhead or DEAD RISING 2 @ DX10 ( Dx9 runs great ) !

I mean If 6870 is something more than i need then all of my Games should run 100% FAST & not 30FPS Like Crysis In HeavY Combats or Large Places !


To run Crysis at max even the 6950 probably won't be enough.
a c 104 U Graphics card
August 29, 2011 9:04:57 AM

Btw ; when you look in far distance and have the framerate drop, can you see whats the gpu load ? I have the same problem with my 560TI when i'm playing Company of Heroes. The framerate drops to 17 :cry:  , but the GPU load is maybe 40 % or so, and when i'm looking at short distance the fps is 50 or more and the GPU load is 80 %. Still are puzzled meself by this.
August 29, 2011 2:14:55 PM

Ya man , same thing here , but My Lowest FPS is 25 , & in bad Condition is 30 & CLose distance its Smooth ( 60 ) , normal DIstance ( 40-50 ) .

Ok I have Installed ATI Tray & i will see & report you back bro .

But First let me Install Crysis , hehe . I just install it over & over again & Remove it after geting So much Disapointed !

But Look At my Setings , first of all EVEn 8x AA doesnt make my game lag , so i think VGA is Strong Enough , My res is 1440x900 ( its pretty Low & easy ) , I turned off AA , Tried VeryHigh & High Setings but both bring me the Smae Problem : FARDIstance Slowdown , EVEN there is a level that you should rescue CIA Femal Agent in the Village , that 2 tanks come to Blow you up , i get bad Slowdown in that place too !!!!

30FPs is not that much playable . Specialy WHen you expect much more than your New Expensive hardwares !

Oh man why they made such Game , game that is incompatible with all HARDWARES ! But Its very nice Game , i realy enjoy when i walk into Jungles & those Nice Places . EVEN 100 Times Playing is not Enough . & fun goes much higher WHen you can Play this game So Smooth .

i update my Catalyst always , Defrag , reg Defrag , clean , DX9 , WIndows 7 , xp ,32Bit , 64Bit , Higher Priorty & ... & Realy No Difference .

I saw ATI 6870 +oced i5 760 , which could run Crysiswarhead @ 40Fps in very heavY Conditions + fardistance . So i think its Not matter of VGA , i think its CPU Bottleneck or something .

I wish it was As fast As Crysis 2 , it Ran at 75FPS !
August 29, 2011 3:05:53 PM

DukiNuki said:
I was Thinking of Upgrade Phenom 955 BE to i5 2400 , to make those Little SlowDowns & performance Issues , because I reached to the 98% or more & I need Little Bit , just a bit , man its Crazy that I need 1% or Upgrade for 1%

But I realY cant Understand WHY CRYSIS SHould Slowdown when i look at Far Distance , why it Should Slowdown WHen I am In Crowded Combat Area ! WHY ?

is 1440X900 that hard for my Rig ?



It seems your bottleneck (the hardware that keeps your performance at games low) is your CPU. No matter how expensive card you will put, this CPU will slowyou down.
check here, your cpu is getting old to be honest
http://www.tomshardware.com/charts/desktop-cpu-charts-2...

It is not a bad cpu to have for daily use. But not expect that you will play games flawlessly with all graphic enhancements on full. Especially for crysis i would suggest your turn down/off shadows and 4x antialiasing...

If you ever decide to upgrade your motherboard/cpu/ram an i5 2500k with 8gb ram and a motherboard would make you spend about 300-350euro..Then even at 1920x1200 you would have 4x Antialiasing and all gpu enhancements on full in most games. Crysis 2 for example would be eyecandy if you put the DX11 patch and the High Quality Texture patch..In your Phenom case though, even with the best gpu and monitor and ram..you can';t have it ...its the way cpus go ...
August 29, 2011 3:07:53 PM

oh some addition now..How much ram do you have and how old is your hard disk (they could affect performance in game too). The situations you refer too (alot of combat and far distance) demand hard disk and ram performance too.
a b U Graphics card
August 29, 2011 3:13:40 PM

^ That's not true.

A Phenom 955 @ 3.6-3.8Ghz will not bottleneck any single card.

Don't know what their problem is, but my Phenom II 555 at stock doesn't even bottleneck my HD 6870.
August 29, 2011 4:13:36 PM

Well i am sorry but it will bottleneck a gpu. A high end gpu that needs to throw in your monitor dx11 tesselation / alot of antialiasing and high end shadows will have issues if your cpu is so low.
I also have a pc with phenom II x4 925 and i can see the bottlenecking, you can't say that the phenom II 555 isn't bottlenecking...
a b U Graphics card
August 29, 2011 4:23:15 PM

That is because the Phenom II 925 runs at 2.8Ghz.
The Phenom II 555 runs at 3.2Ghz.

You need to research the cause of bottlenecking before you advice people to do things they don't need to do.
August 29, 2011 4:32:02 PM

He can overclock the 955 and see if thats removes the bottle-neck it will help if he does. I ran crysis with a 4890 with the 955 at 3.9 and I saw no bottlenecks, the gpu was overclocked as well.
August 29, 2011 4:32:44 PM

you really think 0.4ghz will make a difference on the performance of a cpu (bottleneck or not?)..Anyway i don't think that these replies should be "flammable" but i know from personal experience what is cpu bottleneck and what is not. The problem described from the original poster is a cpu bottleneck .

Also, cpu bottleneck can be checked only and only if you have same graphic card. If you do not have same gpu you can't be sure.

Dear original poster, there is a way to check if your cpu is keeping you back. Remove your graphic card, take it to a friend that has a way better cpu and plug it in. If you dont see same problems then its probably your cpu that keeps you back.
a b U Graphics card
August 29, 2011 4:41:37 PM

Actually, when it is as low as 2.8Ghz to 3.4Ghz it can make a quite large difference.

Take the old C2Q's for example, those would bottleneckwards at 2.8Ghz, but once bumped to 3.2Ghz, would shine.
I do have the same GPU that he does.

The only thing hat could be bottlenecking the OP is his resolution, where most of the work is on the CPU, if OP tries to overclock his CPU, the problem will go away.

This happened with my 1080p HDTV and my 720p Monitor.
August 29, 2011 4:44:46 PM

I still insist he can at least test his gpu to another pc/cpu/resolution and be sure what is going on. By the way 1440x900 is not high resolution...and definitely his gpu can handle good fps at top end detail settings at 1920x1200. The only thing that remains is his cpu....
a b U Graphics card
August 29, 2011 4:47:15 PM

No, at low resolutions, a lot of the work is handled by the CPU, at higher resolutions, more power is needed from the GPU.
August 29, 2011 4:48:46 PM

We still do not know the full specs on his system. The hard-drive could be a issue the ram may not be a enough, whats the system specs.
August 29, 2011 5:19:23 PM

yummerzzz said:
No, at low resolutions, a lot of the work is handled by the CPU, at higher resolutions, more power is needed from the GPU.



1440x900 IS NOT HIGH RESOLUTION!
a c 104 U Graphics card
August 29, 2011 5:23:39 PM

It's not my thread so probably i shouldn't be doing this so DUKINUKI when i'am out of line please let me know and i shut up.
BUT ; i have the same problem on my i7 870 2.9, 8G RAM, CM GX750W, 560TI SOC, 1920x1080 Samsung SyncMaster BX2250 60Hz monitor, so maybe my info might help. ( if it's indeed the same problem ) It makes no difference at what settings i play ( lower settings are sometimes even worse ), it still is round 20 fps or less when looking in a far distance and when attacked by a lot of soldiers. Weird thing is that the GPU load is far less than when it's running on 50 fps looking closeby. You should think the gpu will work harder to compensate for the low fps. Maybe like you guys say ; botlleneck somewhere else ? AA off makes some difference but not that much. Also the game i play, Company of Heroes, is an older game, not as demanding as Crysis. I have the problem even with a game like Age of Empires III when i scroll over the map, the picture will "hang" for a sec or so and then stutters the whole way trough. The REAL weird thing is before the 560 i had a 465 and i didn't have that problem back then.
I know my HD isn't that great but why wasn't that a problem then with the 465 ???
August 29, 2011 5:42:32 PM

First things first. Do you have up to date directx and video drivers? And also, consider some games are "badly written" and some effects might hinder the performance. For example Trine (and gpus overheating), World of Tanks zoom in and (fps dropping to 10) and stuff like that.
Try a modern game, one that tomshardware is testing gpus to be sure.
a b U Graphics card
August 29, 2011 6:05:45 PM

beetlejuicegr said:
1440x900 IS NOT HIGH RESOLUTION!


Which is why I am saying he needs to overclock his CPU, it is not a bottleneck, it is just he is CPU bound at such a low resolution.

Also, no caps please.
August 29, 2011 8:08:02 PM

Dear Robjordy , I Think your Problem is your Resolution , its Not that high for ATi 6870 , but anyway its High Res , & cpu has less to do , so i think its res , or bottleneck from other hardware . DAMN BOTTLENECK , so why do we Pay for These New HArdwares if There are Lot of Compatiblity , Optimization , Programming , Bug or ... Problems !!!!

& LETS ANswer to you all :

First See my Rig Specs :

Mobo: MSI 790FX-GD70 ( quad Crossfire ) Gaming Series

VGA: ATI 6870 Twinfrozr ( its default was 920Mhz & not 900 Like all other Gpus ) & i am using Latest Catalyst & latest Netframe work & other things ...

RAM: 2x2GB DDR3 1333Mhz SUpertalent
HDD : Hitachi 7200RPM , 16Mb Buffer , 500GB ( always Defraged & i keep my OS Drive Free & other Drivers are ALmost Empty !!!

Windows : Current is win 7 Ultimate 32bit , i tried 32 bit 7 , 7 Home , XP 32bit , 7 + DX9 Mode .

PSU : 685Watt , 80+ , 50I , Crossfire & SLi ready !!!! Gaming Series

& whatta Hell , 8GB ram ? what do i need it for ? I ran DEVMODE in Crysis ( the code that you can make it Third person ) & i saw that I uses Less than 1.5 GB Ram !

Second , i cant OC my CPu , there is no way , Because it might cause Damage , it Already Runs Too damn hot , I keep it Cool With other Things , with cool case , cool room , cooler , after market Cooler & its 60 C at game ( thank god )! GPU too !

Non of my Friends around have i5 or i7 to i can try my Gpu on it , I am sure that my VGA IS very Strong for Just a little 1440x900 & few high Setings & aa off . ALL OF MY GAMES RUN GREAT ! BUT Crysis , Damn Crysis !

But In other Hand < amd Is More Compatible with my Hardwares, Second I hear that it Wont Bottleneck unless you Do Crossfire , SO how hard is it To Transfer Data For Single ATi 6870 with no slowdown ?!?!?!

New GPU ( no way ) , Crossfire ( not at all ) , OC ( Dont even think about it ) , Upgrade to Strong intel CPu Sandy i5 2400 , because i dont Need K for OC . i5 2400 has already a Great CPU . isnt it ?

Tell me What should i DO ? No Bottleneck Detecting Software to Find Out ?

a b U Graphics card
August 30, 2011 2:20:52 AM

GreenDutchAlien said:
Huh, you want him to sell the 6870 and then buy a 460 or 6850 ?



It seems I misread that somehow,
a c 104 U Graphics card
August 30, 2011 6:16:12 AM

You know what the real funny part is ; i'm totally fed up with the 560TI i have because of these problems and i bought a 6870 three weeks ago. ( didn't have time yet to switch them ) ( spending too much time at forums . . . ? :lol:  ) and now you're telling you have about the same problem with a . . . 6870. Yeah ! FUNNY !!! :cry: 
Anyway, i'll make the switch later this week i hope, i'll let you know if there is a difference.
Btw ; i think an extra 2 ram will be nice for your rig, i played at start with the GTX465 and 4G Ram and later 6G ( now 8 ) and there was a noticeble difference in performance. ( not so between 6 and 8, so 6 is probably enough )
August 30, 2011 9:23:27 AM

But WHy there should be Difference if game doesnt even use 4 GB ! :( 

But Away if it was Like that , then Why 64 bit & 32Bit DIDnt Bring Any Difference for me !

MAN Its New problem ! What should i REALy do ? Upgrade cpu . now you say more Ram will be better ! oh Oh OHHHHH !

More ram means More Bottleneck or less ? DAMN Bottleneck Now i should Afraid of Each Step i take Because this Damn Bottleneck Can Be Noticible , if you take Wrong Step !

you Realy DIDnt Switch them in those 3 Weeks ? Man ! but why have you bought 6870 ? 560 ti & 6870 have Very Close Performance ( correct me If i am W ) !

You Could buy 6970 & BE Happy 4Ever ! i am sure you wouldnt get those Little Lags . But Realy Can 2 or 4 More Ram Make a Difference ????

I have DDR 2 800Mhz Ram on my Other PC , 2x2GB ! now will they help or i should get same Ram that I have in my Case right now ?
August 30, 2011 9:27:53 AM

For RAM : i saw CLIp in Youtube , Crossfired 6850 , with i7 CPU or i5 ( i dont Remember that well ) & 24GB OF ram 1333Mhz !!!!!!

& game Would Run at 50 FPs ! I think 24 was that much that caused Bottleneck , because , Ram is a Space & should be Handled by CPu , i think it Takes CPU time too !!!!

but away i read that few Strong ram( 4Gb 1333Mhz ) is Better than , 8 GB of Weak Ram ( 600-800 )

But 8GB 1333MHz is Another thing , it might be Great Speed up plan or great bottleneck ! hehe
a c 104 U Graphics card
August 30, 2011 9:56:33 AM

Quote ; You Could buy 6970 & BE Happy 4Ever
I KNOW !, for the money of the 560 and 6870 i could have bought a real killer. You don't wanne know how stupid i feel because of this. :cry: 
About the Ram ; It really did make a difference with the GTX465, it was the difference between a little bit stuttering and complete smooth going pictures at high res.
I'll take one strip out this evening, go back to 6 to see if 8 is bottlenecking and causing my problem.
Not sure if DDR 2 will work with DDR 3, don't think so actually. Anyway trying the Ram upgrade will be one of the cheapest upgrades i think, so you can't really go wrong there. ( maybe when my system works better with 6 you can try mine :lol:  )
August 30, 2011 10:59:57 AM

Oh HEHE :D  . Man but Listen , more Ram is For high Resolution i think , I am using 1440x900 & not that high like yours !! so why do i need that extra 2 Gb ? just like they say , 2Gb VGa card is for Veyr high resoltuion & VERY High AA !

I mean How do i know if Bottleneck Gonna be more or EVEN LESSS ? by Adding 2Gb more or 4Gb more RAM ?

DOnt Worry , these Days , how much you pay will be worhtless . PC wolrd works like this , they finally gonna make game that will need 60 Core CPU with 1000Gb of RAM HEHE !

But In other hand i think 6950 or 6870 + Enough RAM + i5 2400 = will be Great & Less Bottleneck Danger !!! i5 2400 gonna Make everything Fine I think .

For me , its hard to Buy i5 2400 , its not matter of money , i promised that i wont Talk about Upgrade ,but Now i realy have to Make them , but Just one Upgrade ONLY !!!

Just answer me ? 6GB ram or 8Gb ? if 6 to 8GB will make 1-2 Fps then i dont need & i will take 6gb it but , if its Matter of Over 5 Fps or 10 , then i think i will take 8Gb option !

& please tell me if it might Rise up the Bottleneck !!! or Even make it less ! Experienced members We need you Down here . give some opinion Plz
a c 104 U Graphics card
August 30, 2011 11:21:06 AM

you good be right about the Ram, i don't know enough to be sure. Like you say ; Experienced members We need you Down here . give some opinion Plz.
August 30, 2011 12:54:23 PM

yummerzzz said:
Which is why I am saying he needs to overclock his CPU, it is not a bottleneck, it is just he is CPU bound at such a low resolution.

Also, no caps please.


I agree. OC the CPU. I have the Phenom 550 BE running @ 3.6 GHz and I have never had a bottleneck. It is very easy to check if this is the problem. Start the PC, OC the CPU and play a game. If it is better then you know it is the CPU.
a b U Graphics card
August 30, 2011 2:01:10 PM

DukiNuki said:
Hello , i am Using Ati 6870 .

Just wanna know , will 6950 or 6970 Bring Huge Difference In Games that i play ?

my Resolution is Not That high . its 1440x900 Only .


It really would. The card is a decent jump. For a lot of games upwards to 40%

http://www.anandtech.com/bench/Product/291?vs=292

Anybody who says a 6850 is over kill for your resolution obviously doesn't think of anything in the future, or play games like Metro or Crysis.

At the end of the day "I" would buy a 6950 though.

While you're at it, why not a 2500 core i5?

http://www.xbitlabs.com/articles/cpu/display/core-i5-25...
August 30, 2011 4:42:26 PM

Well you know , i saw almost Same FPS in a video About Both 6870 & 6970 , by the away if your game VGA Rendering Part is Fine but you need little More CPu Power then , upgrade of CPu is Only Solution .

I Feel that my VGA card Is not the Problem , because why 1440x900 & aa off should be that hard to render ? i am sure its about CPU or Something

Robjordy , Bro i dont say that you are wrong but as Much as Researched after your Post , ANy one said that 4Gb of ram is ENough for game & more than that is for other kind of softwares & use .

All i need is to see my Crysis running at 40 or More in heavY Condition . I think if i have strong CPu like i5 2400 then it will be able to transfer all the Data from/ to Vga with no waste of time & simply BottlenecK !!!!

I heard that as Low as Res go , CPu More & Vga Works less , so i think Stronger CPu is Sloution .

But I Saw Video that Crysis Would Run very fast in all conditons with the Same rig i have right here . But i couldnt Remember the level he was Playing , maybe it was a Mod which made to run faster than regular game !
August 30, 2011 4:45:24 PM

Sorry Dear Rizlla , but i cant risk & oc my CPu , because its already running hot & i keep it Cool with other Coolers & other things . i hardly hold it on 60C in crysis .

But away i am not so experienced in Ocing & i might Burn it & .... Oh
a b U Graphics card
August 30, 2011 4:48:44 PM

Instead of buying a whole new PC, buy a better cooler then.

THEN overclock your CPU, much cheaper.
a b U Graphics card
August 30, 2011 5:13:09 PM

DukiNuki said:
Sorry Dear Rizlla , but i cant risk & oc my CPu , because its already running hot & i keep it Cool with other Coolers & other things . i hardly hold it on 60C in crysis .

But away i am not so experienced in Ocing & i might Burn it & .... Oh


It's not that the smaller the resolution the more the cpu works. It's just equally demanding on the CPU wheather it be 720p or 1080p. Additionally this will directly make it easier for the GPU

so lets say it's 80gpu//20 cpu at 1080p and you go down to a 720p resolution, it could strike a 40/60 balance.

horrible analogy, but hopefully it makes sense
August 30, 2011 5:35:44 PM

I tried my Cousin's Monitor ( 1600x1200 ) & I saw No Difference !

Hey I Installed Deus Ex 3 HR Few Minutes ago , & Maxed it out ! it was Running Extremly fast , over 100 Fps , CPU was normal 58 C . but Vga Went to 71 C . my Vga is MSI Twin Frozr 2 & its Cooler than Regular 6870 s ! But In same time It was SO COld in my Room ( VERY COld ) my Case Was very COLD ! i was about to Catch a Cold ! so is it Dangerous ? or its Fine ?
a b U Graphics card
August 30, 2011 5:43:32 PM

that's a fine temperature, I wouldn't worry. GPUS run hot these days. My old 4870x2 ran at 100 celcius and was fine for over 2 years
August 30, 2011 6:21:16 PM

Oh thats good , but i expected little Lower Temp because 1. its Twinfrozr 2. my room was VEry very Cool Specialy My Case .

Ok look how fast it Runs ? Why it SHould be that fast , i saw lower Results In bench marks for Deus Ex 3 . & why Cant Crysis run little bit faster ?
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