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January 27, 2012 10:12:00 PM

Here are my specs:
Processor: AMD Athlon(tm) 64 X2 AM2 Dual Core Processor 6400+ (2 CPUs), ~3.2GHz
Motherboard: ASUS® M2A-VM: DUAL DDR2, SATA II, x16 VGA, 2 x PCI
Memory: 4096MB RAM DDR2
Card name: ATI Radeon HD 5800 Series
Power Supply: 500w

Im looking to upgrade to a AMD Quad Core, at least 3.4ghz. Ive been doing some research and apparently theres really only decent AM3 cards. For a new AM3 card do I need a new mother board to support AM3 processors. However then is it true I need DDR3 ram as my DDR2 ram will not work in a new board?
If you have an suggestions Im looking for everything to be £200 max. My pc is 3-4 years old and due a cpu/mobo upgrade :( 

Any help would be much appreciated.

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January 27, 2012 10:23:34 PM

check asus website but you should be able to put most phenom 2's in your compu but since its a cheap motherboard you maybe limited to wattage of the cpu so u may not be able to get the ultra high end, but u will definately be able to put a quad core in. the am3 chips have both a ddr2 and ddr3 controller in them, its just the am2's have no ddr3 controller in them so they cant run with ddr3.
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January 27, 2012 10:32:45 PM

Well you would need a new mobo to support the newer CPU's. You can get an AM3/AM2+/AM2 based mobo so you can transfer you DDR2 over to the newer mobo.

Here is an example:
ASRock A770DE+ AM3/AM2+/AM2 AMD 770 ATX AMD Motherboard
- Support for Socket AM2+ / AM2 processors: AMD Phenom™ FX / Phenom / Athlon 64 FX / Athlon 64 X2 Dual-Core / Athlon X2 Dual-Core / Athlon 64 / Sempron processor
- Support for Socket AM3 processors: AMD Phenom™ II X6 / X4 / X3 and Athlon II X4 / X3 / X2 processors
- Supports CPU up to 140W
- Supports AMD OverDrive™ with ACC feature (Advanced Clock Calibration)
- AMD LIVE!™ Ready
- Supports AMD's Cool 'n' Quiet Technology
- FSB 2600 MHz (5.2 GT/s)
- Supports Untied Overclocking Technology
- Supports Hyper-Transport 3.0 (HT 3.0) Technology

I would recommend going with an AM3+ mobo, so you could get the cheap DDR3 (2 x 4 gb = 8gb) and be able to upgrade the CPU later, if you so desire.

AMD's cheapest 4 core CPU's generally start at about $100 and go up from there. Intel has options, but they are more expensive.
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January 27, 2012 10:53:22 PM

good news is you don't need a new motherboard.

you can get a 960t to work with your motherboard since your motherboard supports phenom IIs below 95 watts.

Just buy the 960t and you should be fine.
January 27, 2012 10:57:27 PM

960t is £100 cheepest, so for £200 if I can get a new mobo with 8gb ram and 6core I'd prefer to do that as it would be better spent in the long run :S. But id need someone to say whether those hardware options are compatible :s
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January 27, 2012 11:01:02 PM

that processor sucks and the 960t is compatible to it in performance. but otherwise its compatible as long as you get an AM3+ motherboard for it.
January 27, 2012 11:10:55 PM

How is that 6 core worse? (i don't know anything, only that one has more ghz
January 27, 2012 11:17:10 PM

Ah nice thanks, what about this though? Since the 1100T was better.
AMD-Phenom-II-X6-1055T-2-8GHz-6-Core
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January 27, 2012 11:21:20 PM

thats a good upgrade. but might not be worth the money over the 960t since you are spending more on a very slight performance gain.

the 960t should be plenty fast for almost anything you do and will perform better in games because of the higher clock speed compared to the 1055t.
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January 27, 2012 11:21:27 PM

lunyone said:
Well you would need a new mobo to support the newer CPU's. You can get an AM3/AM2+/AM2 based mobo so you can transfer you DDR2 over to the newer mobo.

Here is an example:
ASRock A770DE+ AM3/AM2+/AM2 AMD 770 ATX AMD Motherboard
- Support for Socket AM2+ / AM2 processors: AMD Phenom™ FX / Phenom / Athlon 64 FX / Athlon 64 X2 Dual-Core / Athlon X2 Dual-Core / Athlon 64 / Sempron processor
- Support for Socket AM3 processors: AMD Phenom™ II X6 / X4 / X3 and Athlon II X4 / X3 / X2 processors
- Supports CPU up to 140W
- Supports AMD OverDrive™ with ACC feature (Advanced Clock Calibration)
- AMD LIVE!™ Ready
- Supports AMD's Cool 'n' Quiet Technology
- FSB 2600 MHz (5.2 GT/s)
- Supports Untied Overclocking Technology
- Supports Hyper-Transport 3.0 (HT 3.0) Technology

I would recommend going with an AM3+ mobo, so you could get the cheap DDR3 (2 x 4 gb = 8gb) and be able to upgrade the CPU later, if you so desire.

AMD's cheapest 4 core CPU's generally start at about $100 and go up from there. Intel has options, but they are more expensive.




if your gonna go to the effort to swap mobo cpu and ram forget amd get a cheap i3 will be faster in your games etc otherwise do what i said get the cpu will only be about a hundred and save the rest to spend on your gfx card money much better spent
January 27, 2012 11:58:47 PM

I would Suggest getting the AMD 960T since it will work with some AMD 2 boards with DDR2.
Stay away from Intel if your looking to save money, Not only will it cost you more for the simple fact its intel but it will cost more for the, board, the cpu etc.
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January 28, 2012 12:50:38 AM

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I would Suggest getting the AMD 960T since it will work with some AMD 2 boards with DDR2.
Stay away from Intel if your looking to save money, Not only will it cost you more for the simple fact its intel but it will cost more for the, board, the cpu etc.

Are you sure the 960T works on his mobo?
These are what I found on Asus' website of supported CPU's, so I'm not sure if the 960T is supported, but I think the 960T is just a PhII x4 rebadged??

Supported CPU's:
Athlon IIX2 215(ADX215OCK22GQ),2.7GHz,512KB,rev.C2,65W,SocketAM3 ALL
5001
Athlon IIX2 240e(AD240EHDK23GQ),2.8GHz,1MB,rev.C2,45W,SocketAM3 ALL
5001
Athlon IIX2 255(ADX255OCK23GM),3.1GHz,512KB,rev.C3,65W,SocketAM3 ALL
5001
Athlon IIX3 405e(AD405EHDK32GM),2.3GHz,512KB,rev.C3,45W,SocketAM3 ALL
5001
Athlon IIX3 440( ADX440WFK32GI),3.0GHz,512KB,rev.C2,95W,SocketAM3 ALL
5001
Athlon IIX3 445( ADX445WFK32GM),3.1GHz,512KB,rev.C3,95W,SocketAM3 ALL
5001
Athlon IIX4 605e(AD605EHDK42GM),2.3GHz,512KB,rev.C3,45W,SocketAM3 ALL
5001
Athlon IIX4 635(ADX635WFK42GI),2.9GHz,512KB,rev.C2,95W,SocketAM3 ALL
5001
Athlon IIX4 640(ADX640WFK42GM),3.0GHz,512KB,rev.C3,95W,SocketAM3 ALL
5001
Phenom IIX3 705e (HD705EOCK3DGI),2.5GHz,65W,rev.C2,SocketAM3,Triple-Core ALL
5001
Phenom IIX3 715 (HDZ715WCJ3DGI),2.8GHz,95W,rev.C2,SocketAM2+,Triple-Core ALL
5001
Phenom IIX3 740 (HDZ740WFK3DGI),3.0GHz,95W,rev.C2,SocketAM3,Triple-Core ALL
5001
Phenom IIX4 820 (HDX820WFK4FGI),2.8GHz,95W,rev.C2,SocketAM3,Quad-Core ALL
5001
Phenom IIX4 905e (HD905EOCK4DGI),2.5GHz,65W,rev.C2,SocketAM3,Quad-Core ALL
5001
Phenom IIX4 910E(HD910EOCK4DGM),2.6GHz,65W,rev.C3,SocketAM3,Quad-Core ALL
5001
Phenom IIX4 925 (HDX925WFK4DGI),2.8GHz,95W,rev.C2,SocketAM3,Quad-Core ALL
5001
Phenom IIX4 945 (HDX945WFK4DGM),3.0GHz,2048KB,95W,rev.C3,SocketAM3,Quad-Core ALL
5001

Link to Asus M2A-VM supported CPU's
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January 28, 2012 1:09:30 AM

the 960t works with all boards that supports the phenom II 95 watt cpus. many people upgraded no problem to it on AM2 boards.
January 28, 2012 1:14:19 AM

The 960T is a thuban based CPU as it can unlock to 6 cores. This said it may not work. What I have found tho is that some are getting 955BE CPU's to work.
http://www.techpowerup.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1221...

I would suggest a 955BE if you can get one at a good price. Make sure you have the latest 5001 bios and the 955BE should work fine.
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January 28, 2012 1:17:54 AM

thats because the 955BE is a 125 watt cpu and will not work with motherboards that only support 95w cpus.

the 960t however is 95 watts and will work.
January 28, 2012 1:24:26 AM

That is a bit backwards as the 955BE does work and the bios list has C3 rev CPU's. The bios list has no EO rev thubans and those being the newer design its less likely they will work.
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January 28, 2012 1:28:27 AM

thubans were not redesigns. they were literally denebs with 2 extra cores. thubans and denebs uses the same pins and the same voltages.

your like shows the 955be not working which is why I brought it up.
January 28, 2012 1:33:47 AM

Sorry they are as the thubans have turbo core and at the same GHz works on lower volts.
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January 28, 2012 1:43:48 AM

turbo core was a tack on they added to compete with turbo boost. It doesn't even work, which show how much work they put into it.

The ghz working with lower volts but if the motherboard doesn't have the right voltage to the right pins, it won't work. Which is why the 125 phenoms IIs don't work with 95w AM2 motherboards even with a bios update. The motherboard will however work with 95w CPUs like the 840, 925 and 960t given the bios update.
January 28, 2012 1:51:23 AM

The redesigned thuban also had a more powerful IMC and can take more heat. The Deneb limits around 55c but unlike the thuban which requires a balanced CPU Cores, CPU-NB, HTT, and RAM. The bios for this motherboard has no thuban or rev E0 in the list but does have rev c3 Deneb. As pointed at the motherboard can work with the 125W 955BE.

I have searched and I get no hits on this motherboard with any thuban based CPU. The 5001 bios was released on April 14th of 2010 which was before thuban's launch on April 27 2010 (E0 Stepping). Its highly unlike this bios will support any thuban including the 960t. This said there are 95w 6 core thubans like the 1035t.
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January 28, 2012 2:32:57 AM

Well even the Athlon II x4's/x3's would be a good upgrade on his board though. You can get the x3's in the $70-85 price range and still be good to go, although the 960T would be the best option (if the mobo supported it).
January 28, 2012 2:41:44 AM

From what I can find Thuban chips absolutely require dual-plane/split-plane motherboards. This one is an older 3+0 phase board. I really don't know if any of the phenoms II's would be a good fit as this motherboard has a max HT Link of 1000MHz. Guess tho it depends on price the OP is willing to spend.
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January 28, 2012 2:45:56 AM

Well the mobo supports some Ph II's and Athlon II's that I listed above, so I would expect there is no issues with those listed.
January 28, 2012 2:52:35 AM

Yes those will work fine but will the 1000MHz HT link bottle neck the phenoms II is another question. I guess tho the L3 cache on the phenoms would be of most important to limit the bottle neck.

Possible the 925 Phenom II would be the best choice.
January 28, 2012 3:36:36 PM

Thanks for everything, but so far any processor suggested has been AM3. I was under the impression that AM3 was physically too large to fit in my AM2 mother board because of the amount of pins in the socket.
January 28, 2012 4:42:54 PM

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Thanks for everything, but so far any processor suggested has been AM3. I was under the impression that AM3 was physically too large to fit in my AM2 mother board because of the amount of pins in the socket.

Na the pin are the same just make sure you upgrade to bios 5001 before installing an X4 or PHII. ASUS doesn't support the thuban so skip anything with a t at the end. Example the 960t will not work but a 925 or 945 will. Seems even some 955BE do work but may depend on the given CPU power draw. The tdp is an estimate with the boards limit being 95w.
http://www.techpowerup.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1221...

If you want to try the 955 here is a good deal. You will have to do the same as the guy in the link above to get the 955 at correct speeds.
http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/searchtools/ite...

This is your motherboard correct?
http://usa.asus.com/Motherboards/AMD_AM2/M2AVM/#specifi...

If you want a new motherboard I suggest getting one with DDR3 as 8GB's is only $40. DDR2 8GB's will cost you $150.

This motherboard will work with any of the newer AMD CPU's. In the second link is a very high quality 8GB kit.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
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January 28, 2012 7:03:24 PM

stop recommending the 955 since its 125watts and would not work... His motherboard looks to only support 95w phenoms. Even the 945 says 95w.

The 960t will work because its 95w.
January 29, 2012 2:48:37 AM

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stop recommending the 955 since its 125watts and would not work... His motherboard looks to only support 95w phenoms. Even the 945 says 95w.

The 960t will work because its 95w.

Stop stating a CPU will work that is not in the motherboards supported CPU list unless you can find proof it works. I have a link stating the 955 works so stop being a noob and do the research. Thuban chips absolutely require dual-plane/split-plane motherboards. There was only a few M3 version motherboards that ASUS could add support for thuban. His motherboard is an older 3+0 phase board and he will get no post with any thuban. I state no post due to M3 motherboard owners stating this on ASUS forum when they had no thuban support. They were trying to upgrading from the Phenom II 925/945.
http://vip.asus.com/forum/view.aspx?board_id=1&model=M2...
http://vip.asus.com/forum/view.aspx?id=2011031110203541...

Lastly please read my post again as I am not recommending the 955 but pointing out information if the OP want to try it. I am recommending the 925 or 945 as I state they will work. If you note the link it states 955 boots at 800MHz which at that speed its well below 95w. Now using the same steps as in the link the OP should be able to run the 955 at 2.8GHz within the 95w limit with a 14x multiplier.