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September 5, 2011 2:39:02 PM

I currently have a 9800GTX+ running in my system.

Current hardware is AMD X 3 720 BE at 3.2
4GB of Gskill DDR2 RAM
790FX Mobo
750 W Corsair psu
1920X1080 monitor

Im toying with the idea of a full platform upgrade, but if that happens, ill need to wait another 2. I havnt been keeping up on the latest hardware and have no real idea if anything is coming out graphics wise.

my mobo is 790fx so crossfire is an option.

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a c 176 U Graphics card
September 5, 2011 6:05:54 PM

Your board supports CF, not SLI, so you can't put another 9800 in there.

When are you upgrading your system? I could see getting the 6950 or 560TI if it will be semi soon. I wouldn't put one of those cards with an x3 however. 6870 might be a better choice.
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a c 106 U Graphics card
September 5, 2011 6:58:12 PM

Well, your motherboard supports X6 CPUs but that may not do much for you unless you use alot of heavily threaded applications. What you can do for now is get a good CPU cooler (the hyper 212+ is insanely cheap right now), overclock your CPU, and get either a single 6950 or two 6850s in CF. I say get the 6950 so that latter on you can add a second on in CF when you drop in an X6. I'm guessing you have a C2 CPU (I don't think there were C3 720BEs) so you may be a bit limited on your OC depending on your sample. Even so getting it to 3.6-3.8 should be a decent boost for now.
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September 5, 2011 11:37:50 PM

Im looking to upgrade the motherboard and cpu in probably in the next 1-2 years. i found this card which has a nice factory OC on it.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...


I think i might go with that card, and when i upgrade, ill just get another and CF the cards.

thanks for the reply guys.
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a b U Graphics card
September 6, 2011 2:35:16 PM



You said you had a 9800GTX.............now your saying you already have a 560ti??

I see no reason to upgrade the cpu for any of those cards. A X3 at 3.2 is gonna throw the same framerates as a X4 or X6 at 3.2.
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a b U Graphics card
September 6, 2011 2:52:47 PM

geekapproved said:
You said you had a 9800GTX.............now your saying you already have a 560ti??

I see no reason to upgrade the cpu for any of those cards. A X3 at 3.2 is gonna throw the same framerates as a X4 or X6 at 3.2.

that was a different poster with the 560Ti...
To OP, Great choice on the 6950, and even better on the non reference model.
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September 7, 2011 12:32:58 AM

jjb8675309 said:
personally this is what id get if I pulled the trigger on a gpu today:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

do the overclocking yourself, these are great models and my asus holds a 1 ghz oc with relatively low temps (never above 70c)



Im guessing you are an Nvida fan? lol
OK, so all the reviews I was looking at, the 6950 beats the 560 ti. I made sure to look at the correct 560, but it still shows the 6950 beating the fermi. Am I missing something?

Im running an Nvidia card now, so I dont really care which one I get really. I do see that some of the 560's look a little cheaper, but not by much.
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a b U Graphics card
September 7, 2011 1:57:27 PM

wrong, when oc'ed especially the 560ti crushes a 6950, depends on what game you are lookign at but they are generally on par with each other
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September 7, 2011 11:20:24 PM

jjb8675309 said:
wrong, when oc'ed especially the 560ti crushes a 6950, depends on what game you are lookign at but they are generally on par with each other


http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168... 1GB 6950 $239

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168... 1GB 560 Ti $ 259

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168... 2GB 6950 $269

Im still having trouble finding cinsistent benchmarks that show the 560 ti beating the 6950. They both seem to trade blows depending on the games. I still cant find a bench where a 560 Ti Crushes, only beats by about 10-15%, but then on another game, the 6950 does the same.

The three cards I listed all have some factory OC on them. The 560 Ti sits in the middle nicely, and has a pretty nice factory OC on it. The 2GB 6950 is only $10 more, and has 2GB which so im kinda split between the 1GB 560 TI and the 2GB 6950.



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a b U Graphics card
September 7, 2011 11:35:13 PM

well what about a ti at 1ghz vs a stock 6950, there is no comparison, a ti at 1ghz is just as fast as the gtx 570/6970... with the asus dc2 model this is what I was able to achieve the cards are basically on par with each ohther at stock but certain tis have unreal oc ability... overall they are pretty much identical in real world performance (at stock)
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a b U Graphics card
September 8, 2011 2:25:28 AM

realibrad said:
Im still having trouble finding cinsistent benchmarks that show the 560 ti beating the 6950. They both seem to trade blows depending on the games. I still cant find a bench where a 560 Ti Crushes, only beats by about 10-15%, but then on another game, the 6950 does the same.


You won't find any consistent benchmarks showing that. A massively overclocked 560 Ti trades blows with a stock 6950 but an overclocked 6950 certainly crushes the 560 Ti.
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a b U Graphics card
September 8, 2011 1:30:57 PM

here we go again, you are wrong kid, we've already been through this, in the end they are basically equal but by no means does the 6950 crush the ti,
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a b U Graphics card
September 8, 2011 1:31:47 PM

a massively oc'ed 560ti trades blows with a 570/6970, mine is oc'ed at 1 ghz and formerly had a 570 so I would know bro its the same performance that I had before
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a b U Graphics card
September 8, 2011 5:53:48 PM

Don't call me kid, and show some links and we'll soon see who is right and who is wrong about "crushing".
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a b U Graphics card
September 8, 2011 5:54:59 PM

weve been through this, they are on par with each other lets leave it at that 'lil boy :)  im just messing with you dude relax
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a b U Graphics card
September 8, 2011 5:56:21 PM

If you say the 560 Ti is "on par" with the 6950 then you have to say the 6870 is "on par" with the 560 Ti.
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a b U Graphics card
September 8, 2011 5:59:12 PM

look at the gigbayte soc model that is on every chart and it is almost always above the 6950 and often right next to the 6970. This model represents a gtx 560ti with a 1ghz core oc, all im saying is that they have good oc potential (I know I have one) and that when oc'ed they are equal to a gtx 570/ 6970, just as if you got a 6950 that had great oc potential, either way at stock they are pretty much equal taking out games that favor either title

http://www.guru3d.com/article/asus-gtx560-directcu-ii-r...

overall they are on par with each other so why do you keep saying that the 6950 is far superior more or less, they are equals essentially but personally I prefer the intagibles of the gtx 560ti
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a b U Graphics card
September 8, 2011 6:00:32 PM

eyefinity said:
If you say the 560 Ti is "on par" with the 6950 then you have to say the 6870 is "on par" with the 560 Ti.



6870s have about 40% of the oc headroom as the chips we are actually talkign abotu and by no means is the 6870 on par with the gtx 560ti.... no no no
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a b U Graphics card
September 8, 2011 6:19:47 PM

jjb8675309 said:
look at the gigbayte soc model that is on every chart and it is almost always above the 6950 and often right next to the 6970. This model represents a gtx 560ti with a 1ghz core oc, all im saying is that they have good oc potential (I know I have one) and that when oc'ed they are equal to a gtx 570/ 6970, just as if you got a 6950 that had great oc potential, either way at stock they are pretty much equal taking out games that favor either title

http://www.guru3d.com/article/asus-gtx560-directcu-ii-r...

overall they are on par with each other so why do you keep saying that the 6950 is far superior more or less, they are equals essentially but personally I prefer the intagibles of the gtx 560ti


Actually if you look up the thread you were the one who started with the "crushing" nonsense.

Both overclocked, the 6950 really does "crush" the 560 Ti however.

http://techgage.com/article/amd_hd_6950_1gb_vs_nvidia_g...

Also, the gigabyte SOC model is out of stock on newegg and costs $260. http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Guess what, you can buy an overclocked Gigabyte 6950 for $20 cheaper. http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Why would anyone want to pay more for a slower card? They wouldn't it's just fanboy nonsense to pay more for slower tech (think apple macs).
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a b U Graphics card
September 8, 2011 6:55:02 PM

well I got my asus dc2 for 210 AR and it holds a ghz oc, the gigabyte model is just an example but with some of the models I listed you can do your own oc'ing both are on par with each other, the gigbyte 6950 would also be a good choice imo. Im no fanboy I just prefer the best product for the money and imo either the 6950 or gtx 560(ti) would be a great choice depending on price, the gigabyte 560ti is a ripoff but many great models can be had for less

also in the tech gauge review you listed that is pretty much all games that favor radeon cards so not a non biased review at all imo,

Ive been saying that the 560ti and 6950 are ON PAR with each other. can we at least agree with that?
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a b U Graphics card
September 8, 2011 7:05:13 PM

^ yeah I was just using it as a benchmark example personally I agree with going with the asus dc2 or msi tf2/3 if the price is right, never used zotac so I cant personally say.. oh well
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a b U Graphics card
September 8, 2011 7:05:53 PM

jjb8675309 said:
also in the tech gauge review you listed that is pretty much all games that favor radeon cards so not a non biased review at all imo


WHAT?


The only game there known to favour AMD cards is JC2, the rest are either TWIMTBP games like Mafia and Metro 2033 or Dirt 2 which is known to massively favour Nvidia cards! Note that JC2 is a TWIMTBP title too btw!

So 3 of the 5 tested games are TWIMTBP and one is Dirt 2 yet you think the review favours AMD cards? :lol: 

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Ive been saying that the 560ti and 6950 are ON PAR with each other. can we at least agree with that?


No because you're wrong. A heavily overclocked 560 Ti is on par with a 6950 but as soon as the 6950 is overclocked it easily pulls away again.
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a b U Graphics card
September 8, 2011 7:28:55 PM

^yes its a push; meaning that the gtx 560TI and the 6950 are "on par" with each other end of disscussion
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a b U Graphics card
September 8, 2011 7:42:22 PM

Let's see what Tom's says.

http://www.tomshardware.co.uk/nvidia-geforce-gtx-560-ti...

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As you can see, the GeForce GTX 560 Ti running at 1 GHz is substantially faster than the board Nvidia sent over. It’s not quite as fast as a GeForce GTX 570, like Gigabyte claims


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Gigabyte uses its own binning process to sort the GF114 GPUs capable of hitting 1 GHz. Not all of them make that grade. However, it’s a fair bet that a majority of GeForce GTX 560s will reliably hit speeds somewhere in the middle. Nvidia confirms that core clocks around 900 MHz are fairly typical from what it has seen so far.


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it’s frankly difficult to get excited about GeForce GTX 560 Ti.


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Gigabyte’s GV-N560SO-1GI wasn’t able to beat the GeForce GTX 570 in any of our benchmarks


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Either way, my conclusion on the GTX 560 Ti doesn't change. It still doesn't present me with the overwhelming urge to upgrade. AMD's cards simply look better in comparison, based on their performance.


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a b U Graphics card
September 8, 2011 7:42:52 PM

well basically he just looked like a glowing demon kitty from hell! lol so there; the mage kitty :)  he was just sitting in the sun coming from his favorite bird-watching window... good ole Charlie! gotta love an orange tabby
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a b U Graphics card
September 8, 2011 7:44:30 PM

eyefinity said:
Let's see what Tom's says.

http://www.tomshardware.co.uk/nvidia-geforce-gtx-560-ti...

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As you can see, the GeForce GTX 560 Ti running at 1 GHz is substantially faster than the board Nvidia sent over. It’s not quite as fast as a GeForce GTX 570, like Gigabyte claims


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Gigabyte uses its own binning process to sort the GF114 GPUs capable of hitting 1 GHz. Not all of them make that grade. However, it’s a fair bet that a majority of GeForce GTX 560s will reliably hit speeds somewhere in the middle. Nvidia confirms that core clocks around 900 MHz are fairly typical from what it has seen so far.


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it’s frankly difficult to get excited about GeForce GTX 560 Ti.


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Gigabyte’s GV-N560SO-1GI wasn’t able to beat the GeForce GTX 570 in any of our benchmarks


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Either way, my conclusion on the GTX 560 Ti doesn't change. It still doesn't present me with the overwhelming urge to upgrade. AMD's cards simply look better in comparison, based on their performance.


Looks like you and TOMS are on the same page, you win! but I will continue to say that the 6950 and the gtx 560ti are "on par" with each other it may not be a gtx 570 but given its price it is still a card that you can "get excited" about, the 6950 is also a good choice in that price bracket...
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a b U Graphics card
September 8, 2011 7:52:59 PM

Like I said earlier, if the 6950 and 560 Ti are "on par" then the 6870 and 560 Ti are "on par" too. And the 6970 is "on par" with the 580 gtx. That's the difference 10% makes in most cases.

What does Hexus say lets see...

http://www.hexus.net/content/item.php?item=28597&page=1...

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Putting the GTX 560 Ti's performance into context, it beats out AMD's £180 Radeon HD 6870 and loses out to the £225 HD 6950. In fact, NVIDIA's newest GPU's numbers are in line with the now-venerable Radeon HD 5870.
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a b U Graphics card
September 8, 2011 7:57:33 PM

heres how I see it, here are cards that are basically equal in performance-------

gtx 570/6970, gtx 560ti/6950, gtx 560/6870, gtx 460 6850 of course there are a lot of variable including settings, system, resolution, game, etc....

lets not forget about driver optimizations that have been made to improve the performance of both company's gpus comparatively since the review was likely done upon there release which was a while ago... the performance of the 560ti for example has been greatly improved upon over the months imo, not that the radeon cards haven't improved but im just saying

you will not change my opinion of that but I have already given my due respect to the Radeon cards so im done debating this overall if you still truely disagree with the above
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a b U Graphics card
September 8, 2011 8:00:55 PM

^thank you mal lets put this to rest people have their preferences but when it comes to raw performance they are basically identical
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a b U Graphics card
September 8, 2011 8:03:06 PM

from my experience overall the 6 series amd gpus are a bit louder/hotter then their nvidia 5 series counterparts, +1 to the gtx 570 if the OP does not want to bother with ocing a 560ti which imho is the best value on the nvidia side of things, although in the end the 570s are the cheapest they have ever been as well
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a b U Graphics card
September 8, 2011 8:03:10 PM

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just get the GTX 570..


Maybe you want to look at those benchmarks again and ask yourself why you'd pay so much more for a 570 compared to the 6950? Or maybe you have a blind spot where the 6950 is? :whistle: 
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a b U Graphics card
September 8, 2011 8:05:44 PM

jjb8675309 said:
from my experience overall the 6 series amd gpus are a bit louder/hotter then their nvidia 5 series counterparts, +1 to the gtx 570 if the OP does not want to bother with ocing a 560ti which imho is the best value on the nvidia side of things, although in the end the 570s are the cheapest they have ever been as well


Yeah sure pay $100 more for a card that is barely faster. :lol: 
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a b U Graphics card
September 8, 2011 8:08:34 PM

personally Id get this for under 250:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

and give it a nice oc, the cooler rocks

that is my submission and that is all... after rebate its a good deal,

the 570s are generally over your budget unless you can find a smokin deal and I think you can get about 95% of its performance with a nice oc on the 560ti, so basically that is what I'd do...
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a b U Graphics card
September 8, 2011 8:09:31 PM

eyefinity said:
Yeah sure pay $100 more for a card that is barely faster. :lol: 



well overall, and especially given the OPs budget, I still recommend the 560ti so see my above post^
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a b U Graphics card
September 8, 2011 8:26:28 PM

@the 6970 reference model

^ Lol good deal though :lol: 
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a b U Graphics card
September 8, 2011 8:27:13 PM

^arent those reference 480s supposed to run hot as hell though?
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a b U Graphics card
September 8, 2011 8:36:51 PM

^Oh I didnt know that was the cause, so I guess that is something of the past
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a b U Graphics card
September 8, 2011 8:53:15 PM

yeah sounds like fun
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a b U Graphics card
September 8, 2011 9:02:50 PM

yeah do you have any readings on that cpu? If its $220 and performs near the 2500k then ill buy that and put the 955 in a different system, ive been really interested in the latest news on these cpus
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a b U Graphics card
September 8, 2011 9:05:21 PM

also im curious to see what the performance on my msi 890gxm-g65 will be with BD, I already have the new bios running which is supposed to support am3+ but my question is how will the performance be campared to a 990 board, and also how will the oc ability be, then if its worth it to get a new mobo or not, I guess Im a sucker for full functionality :) 
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a b U Graphics card
September 8, 2011 9:12:31 PM

if all that ends up true lets just say, then for me it would be, do I want another mobo with only 8x8 pci-e capabilities or am I ready to step up to the big leagues with a 990fx board either way it will be a 300+ dollar investment
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a b U Graphics card
September 8, 2011 9:16:55 PM

yeah and there is diminishing return in my case with the 560tis, I mean with a nice oc they could probably use the extra bandwidth of 16x16 but the difference would probably be barely noticeable...
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a c 176 U Graphics card
September 9, 2011 1:03:38 AM

Never argue with a guy who has an AMD logo for his picture, and is named off of an AMD feature. He's not exactly what you would call "unbiased". You showed benchmark reviews, and non nut hugger can see the cards are similar. Let him be right, lets all laugh at him and call it a day ok?

Also, because the cards are similar just buy the cheaper one. If its a GTX560TI then get that. If its a 6950 then buy that one. Unless one has a better bundle or comes with a game you want just save the $$$.
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a b U Graphics card
September 9, 2011 1:26:20 AM

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it must be hard for the HD 6950 guys to realize that the 560 Ti can hold it's own against it when the 6950 is the third card in ranks for AMD
while the 560 Ti ranks fourth in the nVidia line.
I guess they want it to be equal as-in 590=6990, 580=6970, 570=6950
and not the 560 Ti...
because reality shows the 560 Ti the competitor of the 6950.

I guess it's disappointing and a hard pill to swallow..
but AMD/Radeon has more options also meaning pricing and more CF-X pairings than nVidia with SLI pairings..


Only in your wildest dreams. I feel pity for you people who can't see what is obvious to everybody else.
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a b U Graphics card
September 9, 2011 3:02:19 AM

bah this guy is stubborn beyond belief...
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a b U Graphics card
September 9, 2011 3:03:52 AM

4745454b said:
Never argue with a guy who has an AMD logo for his picture, and is named off of an AMD feature. He's not exactly what you would call "unbiased". You showed benchmark reviews, and non nut hugger can see the cards are similar. Let him be right, lets all laugh at him and call it a day ok?

Also, because the cards are similar just buy the cheaper one. If its a GTX560TI then get that. If its a 6950 then buy that one. Unless one has a better bundle or comes with a game you want just save the $$$.


fully agreed
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