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December 8, 2012 12:02:38 PM

Hey y'all.

I'm looking to get a motherboard that's as cheap as possible to cut on the over all cost of my gaming rig. I was looking at getting the Gigabyte GA-Z77X-D3H at first. But then I realized I needed to cut down the cost a tiny bit. Is there any cheaper motherboard that will work just as well? Or atleast let me overclock a tiny bit? I'm fine with having just 1 PCI-E slot.

Thanks for any input.

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a c 435 V Motherboard
December 8, 2012 12:08:03 PM

What cpu are you using? overclocking?
December 8, 2012 12:08:53 PM

Oh and also, is there any significant difference between PCI-E 2.0 and 3.0? Because I read an article that basically said there was no noticeable difference between the two, performance wise.

The reason I'm asking is because the cheaper boards tend to have PCI-E 2.0
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December 8, 2012 12:09:30 PM

@o1die I'm going to use an i5 3570k
a c 435 V Motherboard
December 8, 2012 12:14:30 PM

Z77 is the only chipset for overclocking with a "k" cpu. Asrock and msi boards are available at some venders for less than gigabyte. If you don't have your cpu yet, get a non k cpu with B75 board to save money. Check the board specs for pci-e 3.0 support. Most newer video cards will run fine at pci-e 2.0, but your power supply must be adequate and have the pci-e connector if required. Avoid cheap power supplies; I spend more on the ps than the case.
a c 435 V Motherboard
December 8, 2012 12:27:34 PM

That board may have shipped with an older bios file that won't recognize the 3570K; I recommend the b75 or h77 boards if you don't plan on overclocking. They have newer bios files designed when the ivy bridge cpus were first released. The h61 may not even post without a bios flash first.
December 8, 2012 1:09:10 PM

Thanks so much for your help so far.

I found this board:

Gigabyte GA-B75M-D3V

Will it do?
a c 435 V Motherboard
December 8, 2012 1:17:15 PM

Yes.
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a b V Motherboard
December 8, 2012 1:17:46 PM

if you are NOT overclocking, then yes.

though understand it has, like most all the B75 series, just one SATA 6gbs port. but that only makes a difference with SSDs and not regular hard drives; SSDs are faster with SATA 6gbs than SATA 3gbs.

just letting you know what you would get with that; nothing wrong with it.
December 8, 2012 1:21:42 PM

Alright. So I won't be able to overclock even a tiny bit?

Will I be able to overclock my GPU though ?
a c 435 V Motherboard
December 8, 2012 1:23:04 PM

Can't say; depends on the gpu software.
December 8, 2012 1:26:17 PM

Alrighty. Well I get what I pay for I guess. I'm not the overclocker type any way.

As long as I'll be able to slightly overclock my GPU, I'll be a happy camper. Processor doesn't matter, and one slot for SSD 6bs is fine too =)
December 8, 2012 3:52:01 PM

hi again guys.

will I be able to overclock with the "ASRock H77M"?
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a b V Motherboard
December 8, 2012 4:01:39 PM

you need a P67, Z68, Z77 or Z75 motherboard to overclock the cpu by raising the multiplier. other motherboards will do some overclocking by setting a higher base clock (BCLK) but that would be very minor in comparison and could lead to instability.


edit: maybe take a look at this one:
ASRock Z75 Pro3 $84.99
$74.99 after $10.00 rebate
December 8, 2012 4:13:02 PM

my friend told me that raising the multiplier is basically the same thing as increasing the base clock. is he right ? he says both ways can lead to instability.

he also said that he can only increase the multiplier on his i7 once. so to 22. is that also true ?
December 8, 2012 4:19:32 PM

yea that's a great option. it's really cheap over here in sweden too.

thanks a bunch =)
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a b V Motherboard
December 8, 2012 4:26:23 PM

raising the BCLK also affects the RAM and PCI Express bandwidth bandwidth, why it gets unstable, raising the multiplier of the cpu only affects the cpu.

also a "K" version of the i5 and i7 can have their multipliers raised to ????. i have seen folks get close to 50x before it goes flonky. how high you can go is dependent on getting "the luck of the draw" when it is purchased, a very good motherboard with several phases of stable power delivery and cooling solution, ie heatsink and fan/water.

i can't comment on your friends configuration without know what i7 he has/had. and even then, who know what he was doing . .? . . .?


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thanks a bunch =)



you are very welcome :) 
December 8, 2012 6:05:36 PM

So far my setup looks like this:

CPU: Intel Core i5 3570K 3,4Ghz
Graphics Card: Gigabyte GeForce GTX 670 OC
Motherboard: AsRock Z75 Pro
RAM: Corsair XMS3 Vengeance DDR3 PC12800/1600MHz CL9 2x4GB
Power Supply: Corsair TX650
Harddrive: Kingston SSDNow V300 SV300S37A 120GB (and a normal 1TB HDD from previous PC)

Good? =)
December 8, 2012 6:09:13 PM

landed me at about 760 euros/980 USD =)
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a b V Motherboard
December 8, 2012 7:45:42 PM

good.

if you need to save a few, you can use a 550 watt PSU like the corsair.

but you will have no problems with what you have/going to get.
December 8, 2012 8:22:46 PM

*going to get ^^

alright, thanks for letting me know. in that case, i think i will go with a 550 watt then. will 500 be too low?
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a b V Motherboard
December 8, 2012 8:47:18 PM

a 500 is ok unless you go for a high over clock on both the cpu and 670 and stress test both of them at the same time. then you'll be pretty close.

it depends on what voltages you need to overclock; that is what causes a big power increase; not so much what "speed" you overclock at.
December 8, 2012 8:54:29 PM

I changed a few things thanks to you awesome people over here at TH. Does it look better now you think? =)

CPU: Intel Core i5 3570K 3,4Ghz
Graphics Card: Gigabyte GeForce GTX 670 OC
Motherboard: Gigabyte GA-Z77-D3H
RAM: Corsair XMS3 Vengeance DDR3 PC12800/1600MHz CL9 2x4GB
Power Supply: Corsair TX550
Harddrive: Intel 330 Series 2.5" SSD 120GB

Will I be able to overclock a little atleast? (with the TX550?)
Anonymous
a b V Motherboard
December 8, 2012 9:11:39 PM

sm0k3 said:
I changed a few things thanks to you awesome people over here at TH. Does it look better now you think? =)

CPU: Intel Core i5 3570K 3,4Ghz
Graphics Card: Gigabyte GeForce GTX 670 OC
Motherboard: Gigabyte GA-Z77-D3H
RAM: Corsair XMS3 Vengeance DDR3 PC12800/1600MHz CL9 2x4GB
Power Supply: Corsair TX550
Harddrive: Intel 330 Series 2.5" SSD 120GB

Will I be able to overclock a little atleast? (with the TX550?)

yes you will the system will use ~320 watts.


its good to keep the maximum below 80% of the PSU.

when i mentioned stress testing the cpu and gpu before, i meant using furmark for the gpu and prime95 on the cpu at the same time when overclocking. both of those would put a much higher load then you would experience while gaming.

a 500 watt is ok, just don't do something extreme. but the 550 would allow most anything. either is fine for gaming.
December 9, 2012 11:59:04 AM

Alright! I MIGHT go back with the 650W one. I'm not sure yet. It is just another 10 euros anyway. I think I can handle that.

Once again, thanks so much for your time and help. You rock!=)
December 9, 2012 4:08:41 PM

The ASRock Extreme 4, I personally don't like it but every single budget builder can't be wrong.
December 9, 2012 7:52:59 PM

Well. I'd like to inform you guys that my computer looks even more different now. And I finally ordered the parts. All for just shy of 750 euros. Thanks to this awesome 25% off sale code i got for a net store over here (called cdon).

Here's what I ordered:

Intel Core i7-3770K 3.5GHz Socket 1155 Box
Gigabyte GeForce GTX 670 OC 2GB DDR5 2xDVI HDMI DisplayPort PCIe
Corsair 8GB (KIT) DDR3 1600MHz/CL9/VENGEANCE
Gigabyte GA-Z77X-UD3H Intel Z77 4xDDR3 Socket 1155 ATX
Corsair Power Supply 650W New TX650 80 Plus Bronze
Noctua NH-D14 CPU-kylare S1155/1156/1366/775/AM2/AM3
Cooler Master HAF 922 XM Tower No PSU Black w/ Red LED fan ATX
Anonymous
a b V Motherboard
December 9, 2012 8:02:32 PM

for an i7 build under $1000 US, you did a great job.

a really really great job. - you even got a noctura D14, the holy grail of air cooling :) 
December 9, 2012 8:07:46 PM

Yea I'm happy as can be:D  And all thanks to these very generous guys over at a Swedish forum (the Swedish equivalent of Tom's Hardware) that gave me a free 25% off code to buy my setup. I was originally planning to buy everything seperately from different net stores. But I would have had to get the hardware from my previous list, for the same amount of money that I got this new i7 build for.

And thanks a lot also for your input, it was thanks to you that I got the right stuff =)
Anonymous
a b V Motherboard
December 9, 2012 8:15:19 PM

glad to help!
December 9, 2012 11:19:29 PM

By the way, I'm a bit curious.

How big of a difference is there between CL9 RAM and CL7?

Because I chose the CL9 ram because it was half the price, and I thought CL9 should be enough. But how much of a performance difference would there be with a CL7 instead?
Anonymous
a b V Motherboard
December 10, 2012 8:01:38 AM

for gaming it really won't translate to a much higher FPS or anything:
http://techreport.com/review/20377/exploring-the-impact...
Quote:
Among the tests we ran, only the Euler3d fluid dynamics simulation enjoyed a substantial benefit from faster memory configurations. Video encoding and file compression ran a little bit quicker with higher memory frequencies and tighter timings, but most of our application tests showed little or no improvement in performance. Neither did the games, which only managed to squeeze a few extra FPS out of our fastest memory configuration.

and
http://www.xbitlabs.com/articles/memory/display/sandy-b...
Quote:
Therefore, we believe that inexpensive DDR3-1600 SDRAM with not very aggressive timings would be the most reasonable choice for contemporary LGA1155 systems: in our opinion, memory like that offers the best price-to-performance ratio today.


between the two articles and what is commonly suggested around here; getting anything faster than 1600 CL9 only makes a difference in benchmarking.
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