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September 8, 2011 8:26:14 PM

I have an ATI Radeon HD 5670 1GB GDDR5 and am trying to play Cod Black ops but I cant play without lag even is I set the quality on low I don't know what to do nomore please help

my build is:

Core 2 Duo 2.93 Ghz
PNY 8gb kit
ASUS P5G41T-M LX mobo
400w inland power supply
running windows 7 64 bit home premium

thanks
a c 192 U Graphics card
September 8, 2011 8:37:34 PM

What is your resolution? Try lowering it, to see what effect it has. If performance significantly improves, your weakness is the GPU, and you will likely need to upgrade it (and the PSU) for better performance. If it does not change at all (or becomes worse), the bottleneck is your older CPU.
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a b U Graphics card
September 8, 2011 8:42:03 PM

What do you mean by lag?

If you mean when you shoot, and 1 second later it hits the guy - you might just have a crappy ISP (this just means you have a high ping time which makes most games unplayable).

If you mean lag as in, the game is unplayable, and your frame rates are low (say below 30 FPS) you could possibly have driver issues. Have you updated to the latest catalyst 10.8 driverS?

Do you have other games? Do they do the same thing?
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September 8, 2011 8:46:35 PM

Go into CCC and make sure every setting is set to maximum performance.

Maybe you somehow have everything set to high quality.
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September 8, 2011 9:06:00 PM

Onus said:
What is your resolution? Try lowering it, to see what effect it has. If performance significantly improves, your weakness is the GPU, and you will likely need to upgrade it (and the PSU) for better performance. If it does not change at all (or becomes worse), the bottleneck is your older CPU.



I hope is not the graphic card since i just bought it 2 weeks ago and I have tryed lowering the resolution before witout luck :( 
but the resolution is currently set at 1920 x 1080 "(Recommended)" Windows
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September 8, 2011 9:09:25 PM

Chainzsaw said:
What do you mean by lag?

If you mean when you shoot, and 1 second later it hits the guy - you might just have a crappy ISP (this just means you have a high ping time which makes most games unplayable).

If you mean lag as in, the game is unplayable, and your frame rates are low (say below 30 FPS) you could possibly have driver issues. Have you updated to the latest catalyst 10.8 driverS?

Do you have other games? Do they do the same thing?



the game is umplayable frame per seconds are low when there is a shootout or am moving where can i see what my FPS are?

Yes I have updated the drivers

I do not have any other game do you know a demo I could download and test it

Thanks
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September 8, 2011 9:18:07 PM

Ananan said:
Go into CCC and make sure every setting is set to maximum performance.

Maybe you somehow have everything set to high quality.



I tryed lowering everything and the game looks horrible and still lags
btw am trying to play the campaign
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September 8, 2011 9:21:27 PM

fefo360 said:
I hope is not the graphic card since i just bought it 2 weeks ago and I have tryed lowering the resolution before witout luck :( 
but the resolution is currently set at 1920 x 1080 "(Recommended)" Windows


I'm pretty sure it's a combination of your ingame settings and weaker components. Try 1280x720 res and all the lowest settings. This game is more on the cpu intensive side.
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a b U Graphics card
September 8, 2011 9:23:07 PM

Alright. You have a semi-decent computer and a medium range video card, although it should still run Black ops fine.

Do you have a lot of programs running while you play? If you have a lot of programs open (even background processes), that could cause your game to lag/be slow as well.

Has it been this bad before?

One thing you could try is running a program like "Game Booster" which disables unnecessary software when you start a game, and renables those programs once your done playing. I've used it before, and it works good. I belive theres another program out there that does a similar thing. They are free as well.

Also you might want to do a stress test on your RAM to make sure they are working correctly...although that may not even be an issue if you don't experience random crashes. But I would just check anyways.

To test CPU - Prime 95

To test RAM - memtest 86

Both programs are tiny and easy to use.

Also what is the resolution you are using "in game"? Not your desktop resolution as they can be different. Also, what quality level for graphics are you using in your game? (High, medium, low).

Also it could be your power supply, as someone else mentioned here. It is a bit on the weak side even for your video card that you have. Do you happen to have a spare power supply you could try out (one that is higher, say a 520watt PSU?). If not, don't go running out to buy one just yet, it may be some other issue possibly.
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a c 147 U Graphics card
September 8, 2011 9:38:18 PM

http://pcgames.gwn.com/downloads/type.php/dltype/1/

Lots of game demos.

Settings:
Change COD Black Ops settings not only to LOW, but also set the RESOLUTION to the very lowest setting.

You should not have "lag" with a low resolution. It's likely that with 1920x1080 even the lowest graphics settings are too much.

You'll have to experiment with the resolution and other options. Some options like SHADOWS and Anti-Aliasing take a huge hit.

Run FRAPS when experimenting with the settings. You should aim for about 40FPS. (don't bother with VSYNC, you'd need 60FPS)
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September 8, 2011 9:43:41 PM

Video mode : 800x 600 (at the moment but i tried some of them already)
Full screen: yes but tried window mode too no luck
Anti-aliasing : Off
Aspect ratio: Auto
Screen refesh rate: 60 Hz


Texture filtering: Automatic
Anisotropic filtering: 0
Texture quality: Normal

Brightness: 2
Shadows : Yes
Bullet impacts : Yes
Number of corpses: Medium
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a c 147 U Graphics card
September 8, 2011 9:46:50 PM

RadeonPro:

You might like to try an interesting option called "Always On (Double VSync)"

This will enable VSYNC but it will work at 30FPS instead of 60FPS. So:

1) play around with FRAPS and settings to get around 35FPS

2) Install RadeonPro, drag the main EXE for COD Black Ops into it and then change that setting under "Tweaks"

3) run CODBO and verify you're getting a solid 30FPS at times (VSYNC eliminates screen tearing)

This MAY look better, and for two reasons:
a) no screen tearing
b) keeps constant frame rate
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September 8, 2011 9:54:48 PM

Hi, right when I first played this game on my 3.6ghz core2 with Radeon HD3870 512mb it was unplayable ON THE FIRST MISSION ONLY. After the bar it was perfectly playable with SHADOWS OFF, with them on it was ok but places would cause low teens fps so I gave up on flat out quality and turned them off.

After that I quite enjoyed the game and had NO problems at all but I do suspect the first bit was badly coded to make you want to upgrade.

As for the op's rig I could do the obvious and say overclock as it will help but to be honest the bottom line is dont go above say 1280x800 ish res and make sure AA and SHADOWS off as that should make it ok.

Worst case just put up with it on the first bit in the bar and when the next level loads it WILL be a lot better trust me.

Also as odd as it might sound try older drivers ONLY - no ccc - drivers only perhaps go back to 9.2 if they support the card as after that the weaker cards got a good bit slower, just like anything from the 9xxx era did with anything over 5.xx series and then the x8 and hd2x series after 8.12 drivers.
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a b U Graphics card
September 8, 2011 10:33:27 PM

Reality check.....
that card can not game at that resolution no matter what cpu you have unless you turn things down to low or med-low w/out AA
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September 8, 2011 10:36:18 PM

Oh and I will add that running win7 wont be helping gaming performance one bit - can you force dx9 mode on that in the game options ?.....if not then that will most likely be your biggest issue as the 5670 wont handle 10 very well, you need a 5770 at least for that.

After that you try disabling INDEXING on the hard drive which always speeds up windows no end and turning off system restore (only if you are a capable user - no offence but it is a system hog) after that if what I put above doesnt help then your only last resort would be to install XP and enjoy 30% faster games. Anyone who says 7 is as good as xp for games (not counting forced dx10 support obv) is flat out wrong as the os overheads are immense. Last thought - disable AV progs and stay offline when playing.
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September 8, 2011 10:51:13 PM

fefo360 said:
I have an ATI Radeon HD 5670 1GB GDDR5 and am trying to play Cod Black ops but I cant play without lag even is I set the quality on low I don't know what to do nomore please help

my build is:

Core 2 Duo 2.93 Ghz
PNY 8gb kit
ASUS P5G41T-M LX mobo
400w inland power supply
running windows 7 64 bit home premium

thanks


Your problem is your CPU. Black Ops is extremely CPU heavy becasue a bunch of retarded monkeys coded it.
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a b U Graphics card
September 8, 2011 11:52:53 PM

Try removing shadows
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September 9, 2011 1:15:56 AM

As stated dozens of times, do ALL of the lowest settings including turning things off. Use 1280x720 res, that will keep the resolution in line with the native res of your monitor.

A 5670 is a weak card from a generation ago, and if you want to play games that are about to come out (mw3 or battlefield 3) you're going to have to upgrade anyway. Since its only 2 weeks old, I'd return it and order at least a 6770 (or 5770, they're the same thing). They're about 120 bucks on newegg. Might even find it cheaper elsewhere. If you plan on gaming much, just save yourself the trouble and upgrade, even if you have to wait and save up more money.
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September 9, 2011 1:52:49 AM

2426816,13,79844 said:
RadeonPro:

You might like to try an interesting option called "Always On (Double VSync)"

This will enable VSYNC but it will work at 30FPS instead of 60FPS. So:

1) play around with FRAPS and settings to get around 35FPS

2) Install RadeonPro, drag the main EXE for COD Black Ops into it and then change that setting under "Tweaks"

3) run CODBO and verify you're getting a solid 30FPS at times (VSYNC eliminates screen tearing)

This MAY look better, and for two reasons:
a) no screen tearing
b) keeps constant frame rate[/quotes]

the option double SYnc made the game play faster it shows 50-60 fps
I'll try those other software later when i get home thanks

and after the first mission as said before the game plays better

this is my video card http://www.circuitcity.com/applications/searchtools/ite...

I dont think I can return it do you guys think I really need to upgrade ?
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a c 147 U Graphics card
September 9, 2011 4:49:25 AM

Your main problem is that you are trying to play a very demanding game, and unfortunately the low-end of Recommended Hardware for games is often unplayable for most people.

There are games out there that look and run great on lower-end hardware, but this is not one.

Upgrading your graphics card isn't much of an answer if you are also bottlenecked by your CPU. Also, your Power Supply is likely just barely good enough for the card that you have now so a better card would need a better PSU.

IMO if you want to play the newer games you should either invest at least $800 in a gaming PC that you custom built to save money, or go with an XBox 360 or PS3.
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September 9, 2011 5:18:21 AM

yeah, no matter what dealers say, 5670 is NOT a gaming card IMO by any means of the term. more like a glorified HTPC card.
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September 9, 2011 8:15:18 AM

You won't need to invest 800 bucks in a gaming pc. Your current PSU won't affect gaming whatsoever and is plenty powerful enough for a 5770.

If you take the parts from the PC you already have, order a mother board, processor, ram and video card you can spend about 400 bucks and have a nice rig. As long as it all fits in your current case and runs off your current power supply, everything else is universal. For about 350 bucks plus shipping you can get a core i3 2100($120), a decent mobo($80), a HD6770($120), and 4 gigs of ddr3 1600 ram ($30) as prices stand at the time of writing.

Don't listen to everyone telling you that you'll need some beefy power supply, a 500 watt is MORE than sufficient for most mid end systems. Always err on the safe side though and input the parts you have into a psu calculator like this one http://extreme.outervision.com/psucalculatorlite.jsp to see if you have enough power. For the system I listed earlier plus 2 hdd's and 2 dvd roms at about 25% capacitor aging (over time a power supply loses wattage capacity) the PSU needed to be about 400 watts, which is what you already have. Max load was 343 watts.
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September 9, 2011 9:00:06 AM

i guess its your PSU or you monitor resolution try lowering it and get atleast 500 watts PSU!
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September 9, 2011 9:03:41 AM

get a 500 watts so that the card will do FULL HORSE POWER!
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a c 192 U Graphics card
September 9, 2011 10:02:35 AM

Your existing PSU is enough for that card. Unlike what the last two posts imply, the capabilities of your graphics card will not magically increase with a stronger PSU. Even if your PSU is the cheap generic I'm guessing it is, you can run your HD5670 on it. If it has a PCIE power cable, it can probably handle a HD5770 or HD6770 as well (if it doesn't, to be safe I'd assume it doesn't have enough of its capacity on the +12V rail, regardless of what the label claims).
If you do need a new PSU, a 380W-430W Antec Earthwatts or 400W-430W Corsair Builder may be as low as $40-$45 and will have no difficulty even with a HD6850.
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a b U Graphics card
September 9, 2011 10:26:41 AM

photonboy said:
Your main problem is that you are trying to play a very demanding game, and unfortunately the low-end of Recommended Hardware for games is often unplayable for most people.

There are games out there that look and run great on lower-end hardware, but this is not one.

Upgrading your graphics card isn't much of an answer if you are also bottlenecked by your CPU. Also, your Power Supply is likely just barely good enough for the card that you have now so a better card would need a better PSU.

IMO if you want to play the newer games you should either invest at least $800 in a gaming PC that you custom built to save money, or go with an XBox 360 or PS3.

His current PC is actaully better than the consoles which have a 7800 GT if I recall.Something's definitely wrong with his rig coz according to this
http://www.geforce.com/Optimize/OPS/Call-of-Duty-Black-...

the 9800 GT can max out the game at 1080p with 43 fps average.So the 5670 which is even more powerful should be able to destroy it.I think you should look into reformatting your OS and trying again because I think there is a virus on your PC which is bogging you down.

Here in a most demanding scenario at 1680X1050 the 5670 is still able to maintain a minimum fps about 25.
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a c 171 U Graphics card
September 9, 2011 10:34:24 AM

Pimpinabox said:
As stated dozens of times, do ALL of the lowest settings including turning things off. Use 1280x720 res, that will keep the resolution in line with the native res of your monitor.

A 5670 is a weak card from a generation ago, and if you want to play games that are about to come out (mw3 or battlefield 3) you're going to have to upgrade anyway. Since its only 2 weeks old, I'd return it and order at least a 6770 (or 5770, they're the same thing). They're about 120 bucks on newegg. Might even find it cheaper elsewhere. If you plan on gaming much, just save yourself the trouble and upgrade, even if you have to wait and save up more money.

your actually completely wrong, just tried COD black ops yesterday and i have a 6850 and it runs like poop even if you turn down gfx settings or crank AA up and all details all the way, still runs same. Its a CPU thing. Look up some benchmarks, 2 cores is not good enough for this game. http://www.techspot.com/review/336-cod-black-ops-perfor...
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a b U Graphics card
September 9, 2011 2:22:54 PM

OMG guys did no one see my post? Check the Techspot benchmarks! http://www.techspot.com/review/336-cod-black-ops-perfor...

Even with the best graphics card on the market, you'll only manage about 40fps average/20 fps minimum with a dual-core CPU. And the HD 5670 is only 15% as powerful as the HD 5970 they used for the CPU benchmarks. Sorry man, you'd be able to play with your HD 5670 and a Core 2 Quad @ 3.0GHz, but not with your Duo.

I understand though, I've got an overclocked 5670 and I'm upgrading from an Athlon II X2 250 to a Phenom II X4 945 as soon as the Black Friday deals roll around.
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a b U Graphics card
September 9, 2011 2:43:35 PM

Yup I agree with Jesterman. Your Core 2 Duo just doesn't cut it anymore. Including your GPU.

I would start saving for a new system. If you want to play modern games that is (at decent FPS).
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September 9, 2011 5:28:29 PM

iam2thecrowe said:
your actually completely wrong, just tried COD black ops yesterday and i have a 6850 and it runs like poop even if you turn down gfx settings or crank AA up and all details all the way, still runs same. Its a CPU thing. Look up some benchmarks, 2 cores is not good enough for this game. http://www.techspot.com/review/336-cod-black-ops-perfor...



I'm not wrong, the card is a weak card and it is from a generation ago. Where in that statement am I wrong? It may be powerful enough for codbo with a better cpu, but what I stated was that if he wanted to play games that are about to come out as well he should go ahead and upgrade. In a later post I actually pointed out he should upgrade his cpu as well. Perhaps next time you'll read what someone wrote before just telling them they're wrong, though I doubt it.
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a c 147 U Graphics card
September 10, 2011 12:24:24 AM

The big chart comparing graphics cards would have been created using a very high-end, overclocked CPU.

If his card isn't getting anywhere near where it should be that means he is CPU bottlenecked.

An easy test of how stressed the CPU is, is to run Task Manager during a game and look at the results.

1. Open Task Manager (CTRL-ALT-DEL)
2. Leave running and start your game. Play for a few minutes.
3. Look at: Task manager-> Performance (change to View-> One graph per CPU if you only see one graph)

Analysis of Task Manager:
If one of your cores hits 100% you are being bottlenecked by the CPU.
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September 13, 2011 9:18:46 PM

Ok one last time - its only the very first level at the bar that is so bad as to be annoyingly unplayable but seriously just put up with it and chug through it as best you can as once you get to level 2 onwards it will double in speed seriously......I wouldnt say it if it wasnt true.
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September 19, 2011 7:48:56 AM

photonboy said:
The big chart comparing graphics cards would have been created using a very high-end, overclocked CPU.

If his card isn't getting anywhere near where it should be that means he is CPU bottlenecked.

An easy test of how stressed the CPU is, is to run Task Manager during a game and look at the results.

1. Open Task Manager (CTRL-ALT-DEL)
2. Leave running and start your game. Play for a few minutes.
3. Look at: Task manager-> Performance (change to View-> One graph per CPU if you only see one graph)

Analysis of Task Manager:
If one of your cores hits 100% you are being bottlenecked by the CPU.



i think its with the driver issue, i can even play it all high on my rig!! res is 1650x 1050, amdx2 250@4.0ghz, 4 gigs of ram, and a inno3d 9800gt. my famerates never get below 40fps. no AA
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a b U Graphics card
September 19, 2011 11:03:41 AM

spentshells said:
Reality check.....
that card can not game at that resolution no matter what cpu you have unless you turn things down to low or med-low w/out AA



Wrong. :non: 

I have the same graphics card and can run black ops maxed out in 1920 x 1080 with more then 60fps.

It is your processor that is causing poor performance.
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a b U Graphics card
September 19, 2011 11:04:12 AM

lol.I just dont get why people are getting such low fps just because of a cpu.I have an i7 and with my gtx 275 I have never dipped below 60 fps even at 1080p.If its really that much dependandt on cpu (more than bfbc2) its a badly done console port.
In any case the game was ***.BFCB2 blew it out of the water in both single and multiplayer
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September 19, 2011 12:50:53 PM

Hello Guys, even I am also thinking to play COD blackops, after read all this afraid if I will get the real enjoy of that game.
My build is
i7 2600 3.40 Ghz
Z68 Gigabyte motherboard z68-udr3-b3
8GB heatsink CORSAIR 1600 RAM
Coolermaster elite 310 cabine with 400 Watt PSU
HD5670 1GB ddr5
Please could anybody suggest me on this scenario
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a b U Graphics card
September 19, 2011 1:38:07 PM

manassamal1 said:
Hello Guys, even I am also thinking to play COD blackops, after read all this afraid if I will get the real enjoy of that game.
My build is
i7 2600 3.40 Ghz
Z68 Gigabyte motherboard z68-udr3-b3
8GB heatsink CORSAIR 1600 RAM
Coolermaster elite 310 cabine with 400 Watt PSU
HD5670 1GB ddr5
Please could anybody suggest me on this scenario


You will be able to play black ops maxed out at 1920x1080 with over 60 fps

The only reason why the OP has poor performance is because of his dual core CPU but you have a very good quad core CPU so you will be able to max the game out easily.

OP: upgrade your CPU to a quad core and you will max black ops out easily with 1920 x 1080 resolution with your HD 5670
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September 19, 2011 6:29:23 PM

Gothams Finest said:
Wrong. :non: 

I have the same graphics card and can run black ops maxed out in 1920 x 1080 with more then 60fps.

It is your processor that is causing poor performance.



Have a look at the charts posted in the thread
5670 maxing black ops at 60fps im sorry I do not believe you but awesome if it's true and not just something you are making up
1920-1080 max setting aax4 you are perhaps imagining this

Q6600 @ 3.6 and 5770 can't do it so how are you doing it with a 5670 ?
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a c 171 U Graphics card
September 20, 2011 2:31:38 AM

the solution for OP is obvios and has been confirmed by many users, the best upgrade would be to a quad core, the 5670 can play black ops fine, although i doubt at 1080p maxed out as said above. But i can confirm from my own testing upgrading GPU will not help, i have a 6850 and still get poor performance due to my CPU. GET A QUAD CORE CPU!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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September 22, 2011 6:53:33 AM

Gothams Finest said:
You will be able to play black ops maxed out at 1920x1080 with over 60 fps

The only reason why the OP has poor performance is because of his dual core CPU but you have a very good quad core CPU so you will be able to max the game out easily.

OP: upgrade your CPU to a quad core and you will max black ops out easily with 1920 x 1080 resolution with your HD 5670



Thanx a lot, I have started playing it and it's working really fantastic with resolution 1600x900 and also in low resolution. But the only thing while you play you have to complete the level unllike COD MWarefare it doesnot start from the last checkpoint rather start from the beginning. it happens if only you want to quit and play the same in next time. rest of all are very fine. Please if anyone has any idea in this re. Help me out. :D 
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