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February 10, 2012 5:41:56 PM

Hi there ok I was looking at two systems one

Intel i7 2600K Asus P8Z68 Deluxe

Intel i7 3930K Asus P9X79 deluxe


I have been told that in about 6 month the new 8 core intel processor will be out and if I go 1155 socket I will be able to just swop out my 2600K for a new 8 core processor If I go 2011 socket I wont ..........Is this correct can some one please enlighten me ???

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February 10, 2012 6:57:41 PM

If Intel does release an 8 core processor, it probably will be on LGA 2011, which is their high end socket. Currently the best LGA 2011 CPU is a 6 core CPU with hyperthreading. Ivy Bridge E is rumoured to be on that socket, maybe one of them will be an octocore, it's too early to know. LGA 1155 is the mainstream socket, there have been no indications that LGA1155 will ever go beyond quad core CPUs, the upcoming Ivy Bridge CPUs only go up to 4 cores, though the i7s do have hyperthreading, so the OS will see an i7 as 8 cores.

Right now the only 8 core CPUs on the market aside from some of the server CPUs are from AMD, and they aren't great performers unless you use a certain selection of applications that really take advantage of AMD's 8 core architecture.
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February 10, 2012 7:26:02 PM

Intel doesn't look like it wants to release a 8 core cpu until haswell which is more than a year away and won't be fitting on to either of those sockets.

Ivy will be a die shrink with mostly igp improvements. It will also introduce pci 3.0 but thats about it. highly unlikely intel will release an 8 core cpu very soon unless AMD gives them more competition at the high end fast which is highly unlikely.

although more cores do offer more performance in well threaded application, there really isn't a market for a consumer 8 core cpu yet.
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February 10, 2012 7:33:06 PM

esrever said:
Intel doesn't look like it wants to release a 8 core cpu until haswell which is more than a year away and won't be fitting on to either of those sockets.

Ivy will be a die shrink with mostly igp improvements. It will also introduce pci 3.0 but thats about it. highly unlikely intel will release an 8 core cpu very soon unless AMD gives them more competition at the high end fast which is highly unlikely.

although more cores do offer more performance in well threaded application, there really isn't a market for a consumer 8 core cpu yet.



So then between the 2600K and the 3930K whats my best future proof boards 1155 or 2011 ??
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February 10, 2012 7:38:58 PM

It depends on what you want to do with your computer. If you need the absolute bleeding edge performance in heavily threaded applications, need a large number of PCI Express lanes, or have applications that really benefit from having quad channel memory LGA 2011 may be a better choice for you, though you will pay through the nose for it.

If you don't need the extra CPU cores, higher memory bandwidth and extra PCI-E lanes, or the ability to support huge amounts of RAM, LGA1155 will suit you just fine. Grab a GEN3 board with an Ivy Bridge CPU if you want PCI-E 3.0 support.
February 10, 2012 7:42:28 PM

Supernova1138 said:
It depends on what you want to do with your computer. If you need the absolute bleeding edge performance in heavily threaded applications, need a large number of PCI Express lanes, or have applications that really benefit from having quad channel memory LGA 2011 may be a better choice for you, though you will pay through the nose for it.

If you don't need the extra CPU cores, higher memory bandwidth and extra PCI-E lanes, or the ability to support huge amounts of RAM, LGA1155 will suit you just fine. Grab a GEN3 board with an Ivy Bridge CPU if you want PCI-E 3.0 support.



I do like a nice comp and on my case it’s a bit like owning a Ferrari it’s nice to have the power there but don't mean you have to drive at 150MPH.
I don’t do any gamming at all; I don’t over clock my comp at all unless it has one these programmes that dose it all for you instant boost type thing. I do like a fast very responsive comp.

Basically I do some film and photo editing making DVDs etc. besides that its used for music, Iplayer and is a gloy fied Ebay and porn machine lol (Hay at least I admit it ) The difference in price is £306.91 between the two set ups. So please do take a look and I would be grateful for any sensible advice I can understand with out getting into any complicated computer talk.

I will be using from my old comp for ether set up.......

Windows home premium 64 Bit
2 x Western Digital Caviar Black HDD (SATA 3 not the new 6) 1TB each being used for storage of pics, film, music etc
Cooler Master silent Pro 850 PSU
2 x LG blue ray burner/drives
Iiyama ProLite B2409HDS I will be adding a second one of these monitors
2 x Icy Box caddies (To easy remove storage drives for hiding when go away)

Then the choice is...... Z68 or 2011

Z68 as follows....

Intel Core i7 2600K
Asus P8Z68 Deluxe
Corsair Vengeance DDR3 1800Mhz 16Gig of
Graphics card (NVIDIA) EVGA 1280MB GeForce GTX 570 HD
Kingston Hyper x 120 Gig (SATA 6 for operating system and programmes)
Cooler Master Cosmos 1100 s (to be stripped down and inside powder coated black)

CPU cooling unknown yet will also be a card reader/usb 3, SSD/HDD internal docking bay and poss. fan controller


2011 set up.....

Intel i7 3930K
Asus P9X79 Deluxe
Corsair Vengeance DDR3 1800Mhz 16 Gig of but may add another 16 Gig
Graphics card (NVIDIA) EVGA 1280MB GeForce GTX 570 HD
Kingston Hyper x 120 Gig (SATA 6 for operating system and programmes)
Cooler Master Cosmos 1100 s (to be stripped down and inside powder coated black)

CPU cooling unknown yet will all so be card reader/ USB 3 bay, HDD/SSD Internal docking bay and poss. fan controller
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February 10, 2012 7:46:16 PM

I'd suggest just getting the LGA1155 as well since upgrading the i7 extremes is an expensive thing for very little performance. I'd think it would be better just to buy a cpu and live with it until a much better one comes.

The 2600k should last you years. The 3930x will probably last longer but has a huge price premium attached. If you need more cores for heavy multithreaded computing of some sort then the 3930x would make sense if you don't want to get a xeon system. It would mean you do professional stuff in rendering and such to justify the cost. The 2600k should be plenty fast for even enthusiasts.
February 10, 2012 7:58:59 PM

esrever said:
I'd suggest just getting the LGA1155 as well since upgrading the i7 extremes is an expensive thing for very little performance. I'd think it would be better just to buy a cpu and live with it until a much better one comes.

The 2600k should last you years. The 3930x will probably last longer but has a huge price premium attached. If you need more cores for heavy multithreaded computing of some sort then the 3930x would make sense if you don't want to get a xeon system. It would mean you do professional stuff in rendering and such to justify the cost. The 2600k should be plenty fast for even enthusiasts.



Its great to get some advice that I undersatnd at last after weeks of reading the net. I worked out the diffrance between the two systems would be £306.91 But when I've worked out it will cost about £986 for the 1155 set up with the 2600K whats the extra £306.91 If its a far better future proof system But the diffrance between the 3930K and the 3930x is £400 now that is a lot as in bench tests Ive seen the X isnt that much better than the K version of the 3930
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February 10, 2012 8:10:39 PM

In my opinion its not worth it to buy more than the 2600k at all but like you said, you want a ferrari you will be paying a lot for very little difference. Unlike a ferrari however, every CPU will get very outdated within 3-4 years, no matter how much you spend.
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February 10, 2012 8:17:14 PM

If you can afford it, the 3930 is best. I'd say closer to or even more than 2k USD in budget. If your budget doesn't allow for 3930 plus high end graphics, go with a 2500K.
February 10, 2012 8:17:42 PM

FinneousPJ said:
If you can afford it, the 3930 is best. I'd say closer to or even more than 2k USD in budget. If your budget doesn't allow for 3930 plus high end graphics, go with a 2500K.



Well really chap once my comp is built thats it it tends top last me 3-5 years I don't tend to chop and change things on it. So really what ever I go with I would basicly chuck the lot away and start again as things move on so fast and from what your saying the 2600K at £250 is a far better bet then the 3930K at £450 (Pluss about £70 more for the board) As thats a lot for a CPU that in a flash will be out dated and isnt that much better performance than the 2600K for what I'm doing with my comp
February 10, 2012 8:19:48 PM

dam that last post was to esrever see what I mean lol diffrence of oppions from every one lol
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February 10, 2012 8:28:14 PM

Uther39 said:
Buy the 2700K 1155 set up as you dont OC and its the fastest i7 155 CPU and with the extra saved buy a GTX580, i reccommend the ASUS Direct CU II

http://www.scan.co.uk/products/1536mb-asus-gtx-580-dire...

http://www.scan.co.uk/products/intel-core-i7-2700k-s-11...

With this cooler

http://www.scan.co.uk/products/be-quiet!-dark-rock-advanced-bk014-cpu-cooler-lga775-1155-1156-1366-am2-am2plus-am3-754-940

why would he need a 580 if he doesn't game?

save the money and add an ssd would be a better idea than an overkill graphics card. A mid range card should be sufficient for all the entertainment needs as well as any gpu accelerated processing.

@OP You won't be able to tell the difference between the 2 cpus unless you benchmark them with professional software so I doubt you need to spend the extra money.
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February 10, 2012 8:33:14 PM

Hmm sorry missed that, if he does not game then why bother with a GTX 570 ?

But anyway if he does this would be my build


LN41753
Intel Core i7 2700K, S 1155, Sandy Bridge, Quad Core 3.5GHz, 8MB Cache, HD 3000 IGP 850MHz, 95W, Retail
£214.17 £257.00
£159.68
LN42626
Asus P8Z68 DELUXE/GEN3, Intel Z68, S 1155, DDR3, SATA III - 6Gb/s, SATA RAID, PCIe 3.0 (x16), ATX
£159.68 £191.62
£31.95
LN37609
Be Quiet! Dark Rock Advanced BK014 CPU Cooler LGA775/1155/1156/1366/AM2/AM2+/ AM3/754/940
£31.95 £38.34
£98.16
LN42523
16GB (4x4GB) Corsair DDR3 Vengeance Jet Black, PC3-14900 (1866), Non-ECC Unbuffered, CAS 9-10-9-27, XMP, 1.5V
£98.16 £117.79
£99.12
LN39467
120GB Corsair Force Series 3, 2.5" SSD, SATA III - 6Gb/s, SandForce, Read 550Mb/s, Write 510Mb/s, 85,000 IOPS, PC/MAC
£99.12 £118.94
£79.89
LN40361
2TB Western Digital WD20EARX Caviar Green Quiet SATA 6Gb/s IntelliPower (5900rpm) 64MB Cache 8ms HDD OEM
£79.89 £95.87
£86.85
LN40448
850W PSU, Corsair Enthusiast Series 9020004, Modular, 85% Eff', 80 PLUS Bronze, SLI/CrossFire, EPS 12V, Quiet Fan, ATX
£86.85 £104.22
£53.98
LN42123
LG 10x Blu-ray Writer, 16x DVD±R, 8x +RW, 6x -RW, 12x RAM - OEM + S/W - BH10LS38.AUAU
£107.96 £129.55
£146.64
LN26488
24" Iiyama PLB2409HDS-B LCD Wide Full HD 1920x1080 2ms 20000:1DCR VGA DVI HDMI Height Adj 3yr warrty
£146.64 £175.97
£174.02
LN39770
Silverstone SST-FT02B-W Black Full Tower Aluminum Case USB 3.0 with Side Window w/o PSU
£174.02 £208.82


Total£1,454.90
February 10, 2012 8:37:22 PM

esrever said:
why would he need a 580 if he doesn't game?

save the money and add an ssd would be a better idea than an overkill graphics card. A mid range card should be sufficient for all the entertainment needs as well as any gpu accelerated processing.

@OP You won't be able to tell the difference between the 2 cpus unless you benchmark them with professional software so I doubt you need to spend the extra money.



The graphics card I was going to use is the EVGA GTX 570HD and some have said this is a bit over kill for my needs ....I am going SSD Im going Kingston Hyper x 120Gig Its had great reviews and low failer rate I did look at the force 3 SSD but loads on the net about them failing. At the moment it dose seam from diffrent sites I've asked this on the 2600K is the best value and more than capable of what I need and the 3930K would be an expensive luxery That I prob wouldnt use (as in what it can do)
February 10, 2012 8:43:31 PM

Uther39 said:
Hmm sorry missed that, if he does not game then why bother with a GTX 570 ?

But anyway if he does this would be my build


LN41753
Intel Core i7 2700K, S 1155, Sandy Bridge, Quad Core 3.5GHz, 8MB Cache, HD 3000 IGP 850MHz, 95W, Retail
£214.17 £257.00
£159.68
LN42626
Asus P8Z68 DELUXE/GEN3, Intel Z68, S 1155, DDR3, SATA III - 6Gb/s, SATA RAID, PCIe 3.0 (x16), ATX
£159.68 £191.62
£31.95
LN37609
Be Quiet! Dark Rock Advanced BK014 CPU Cooler LGA775/1155/1156/1366/AM2/AM2+/ AM3/754/940
£31.95 £38.34
£98.16
LN42523
16GB (4x4GB) Corsair DDR3 Vengeance Jet Black, PC3-14900 (1866), Non-ECC Unbuffered, CAS 9-10-9-27, XMP, 1.5V
£98.16 £117.79
£99.12
LN39467
120GB Corsair Force Series 3, 2.5" SSD, SATA III - 6Gb/s, SandForce, Read 550Mb/s, Write 510Mb/s, 85,000 IOPS, PC/MAC
£99.12 £118.94
£79.89
LN40361
2TB Western Digital WD20EARX Caviar Green Quiet SATA 6Gb/s IntelliPower (5900rpm) 64MB Cache 8ms HDD OEM
£79.89 £95.87
£86.85
LN40448
850W PSU, Corsair Enthusiast Series 9020004, Modular, 85% Eff', 80 PLUS Bronze, SLI/CrossFire, EPS 12V, Quiet Fan, ATX
£86.85 £104.22
£53.98
LN42123
LG 10x Blu-ray Writer, 16x DVD±R, 8x +RW, 6x -RW, 12x RAM - OEM + S/W - BH10LS38.AUAU
£107.96 £129.55
£146.64
LN26488
24" Iiyama PLB2409HDS-B LCD Wide Full HD 1920x1080 2ms 20000:1DCR VGA DVI HDMI Height Adj 3yr warrty
£146.64 £175.97
£174.02
LN39770
Silverstone SST-FT02B-W Black Full Tower Aluminum Case USB 3.0 with Side Window w/o PSU
£174.02 £208.82


Total£1,454.90


Hay chap untill I saw the 2011 processor (3930K) we were nearly singing from the same book

Windows home premium 64 Bit
2 x Western Digital Caviar Black HDD (SATA 3 not the new 6) 1TB each being used for storage of pics, film, music etc
Cooler Master silent Pro 850 PSU
2 x LG blue ray burner/drives
Iiyama ProLite B2409HDS I will be adding a second one of these monitors
2 x Icy Box caddies (To easy remove storage drives for hiding when go away)

Then the choice is...... Z68 or 2011

Z68 as follows....

Intel Core i7 2600K (but the 2700K is onley £17 more now)
Asus P8Z68 Deluxe
Corsair Vengeance DDR3 1800Mhz 16Gig of
Graphics card (NVIDIA) EVGA 1280MB GeForce GTX 570 HD
Kingston Hyper x 120 Gig (SATA 6 for operating system and programmes) Chose this as had great write ups and low go wrong rate
Cooler Master Cosmos 1100 s (to be stripped down and inside powder coated black) Love this case onley other I considerd is the Corsair 800

CPU cooling unknown yet will also be a card reader/usb 3, SSD/HDD internal docking bay and poss. fan controller



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February 10, 2012 8:49:31 PM

I just noticed you have a pretty decent system in your sig. any reason you want an upgrade?
February 10, 2012 8:56:14 PM

esrever said:
I just noticed you have a pretty decent system in your sig. any reason you want an upgrade?



I must have had this system must be about 4 years now with the add on of windows 7 on a second drive about a year ago. Just thought it was time to upgrade misst i3, mist i5 so ..........................
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February 10, 2012 9:04:27 PM

I'd wait at least until intel launches the new cpus if you don't need to upgrade right away. Ivybridge is suppose to come out in april. Might as well get that instead.
February 10, 2012 9:09:33 PM

esrever said:
I'd wait at least until intel launches the new cpus if you don't need to upgrade right away. Ivybridge is suppose to come out in april. Might as well get that instead.



Ok this is where I start to get lost with sandy bridge, ivy bridge and what ever the other ones were I can remember Ok so what is the advantage of waiting for Ivy bridge then ?
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February 10, 2012 9:18:06 PM

Most likely slightly faster cpus for the same money. It also will run cooler if thats any consolation. Its mostly just a die shrink, basically the same cpu at a smaller scale but it is still worth the wait if you aren't needing a new system right away then theres no need to be in a hurry.

You might even wait till Haswell, which is the real new intel CPUs but this isn't coming till 2013 or later. It will probably bring much more performance compared to ivybridge than ivybridge compares to sandybridge. Might not want to wait that long though.
February 10, 2012 9:26:28 PM

esrever said:
Most likely slightly faster cpus for the same money. It also will run cooler if thats any consolation. Its mostly just a die shrink, basically the same cpu at a smaller scale but it is still worth the wait if you aren't needing a new system right away then theres no need to be in a hurry.

You might even wait till Haswell, which is the real new intel CPUs but this isn't coming till 2013 or later. It will probably bring much more performance compared to ivybridge than ivybridge compares to sandybridge. Might not want to wait that long though.


LOL yes poss wait for the Ivy Bridge then but no more as it goes on and on and you chase your tail for ever constantly waiting for the nest thing and actualy never geting one built becouse the next best thing will all ways be just around the corner. I had got set on a P67 board then the Z68 was heer and now the x79 lol where do you end it you have to jump in some where ....Pluss If I do it now I can have £300 for my current set up towards the new one(with me keeping the CM silent pro, both blue ray burners and both WD 1TB each caviar blacks I will put in a spear power surpply and standard burner and leave one of my 3 WD 1TB drives in it with XP on it
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