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a b U Graphics card
September 15, 2011 12:42:35 PM

Hello all.
This is my first post but I would like to say this site was really helpful when I was building my computer.
Well my computer is now built and running smoothly but I now need to upgrade my Sapphire HD5670 1GB.
I have read the "best video cards for the money" articles" but I would like some advice from you guys aswell.

Heres some info about my computer etc.....


APPROXIMATE PURCHASE DATE OF GRAPHICS CARD: In the next week

BUDGET RANGE: £250 - £300

USAGE FROM MOST TO LEAST IMPORTANT: My computer will be used for Gaming only. I will be playing games like: Battlefield Bad Company 2, Battlefield 3, Crysis 1 & 2, Metro 2033, Total War, World of Warcraft etc I would like to play as many games as possible on highest settings with FPS of at least 60. (I know this will not be possible on Metro 2033) but I really would like to max out crysis 2 and Battlefield 3 with 60 FPS @ 1080p

CURRENT GPU AND POWER SUPPLY: Sapphire Radeon HD 5670 1GB and Corsair HX750 750W PSU

OTHER RELEVANT SYSTEM SPECS:

CPU: i5 2500k oc @ 4.5GHz

Motherboard: Asus P8P67 Pro

Memory: G.Skills Ripjaws-X 8GB 1600MHz

CPU Cooler: Noctua NH-D14

Solid State Drive: Crucial M4 128 GB

Hard Drive: Samsung Spinpoint F3 1 TB

Power Supply: Corsair HX 750w

Case: Coolermaster CM 690 II Advanced

Operating System: Windows 7 Professional 64bit

Monitor: Samsung Syncmaster B2230 22" 1920x1080p


PREFERRED WEBSITE(S) FOR PARTS: www.cclonline.com & www.overclockers.co.uk COUNTRY OF ORIGIN: United Kingdom

PARTS PREFERENCES: My Sapphire HD5670 is the only graphics card I've had and I've never had a problem with it (I have read that a lot of people have trouble with ATI drivers) but I would prefer an Nvidia card. I would love the EVGA GTX580 but my budget is only £250 to £300.

OVERCLOCKING: Maybe if PSU will allow and if I can get good enough temps

SLI OR CROSSFIRE: Again maybe but depends on PSU as I'm not wanting to upgrade my PSU for at least a few years.

MONITOR RESOLUTION: 1920x1080

ADDITIONAL COMMENTS: Would like to have good cooling as I dont want it to be heating up my Case and CPU temps and to be fairly quiet (To be honest Im not too fussed about noise, my computer is far from quiet at the moment, but I dont want it to get any louder then it already is with my CPU cooler and case fans) And a good warranty (At least a few years, I have read that EVGA are good for that?)

More about : gtx 570 6970

a b U Graphics card
September 15, 2011 3:45:20 PM

Can anybody give me some advice?
September 15, 2011 4:57:25 PM

i just upgraded from that card to a 560 ti and its been pretty great so far. But for your budget, you can afford something alot better like a 6970 or a 570 easily. MSI is pretty good about making quiet cards with great cooling so id check there versions of the aformentioned cards.
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a b U Graphics card
September 15, 2011 7:37:13 PM

Which is better? The GTX 570 or the HD 6970?

And which is the best "brand" of GTX 570 and HD 6970

The GTX 570

EVGA Superclocked http://www.cclonline.com/product/63286/012-P3-1573-KR/G...

PNY http://www.cclonline.com/product/45490/GMGTX57N2H12ZPB/...

Gigabyte http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showproduct.php?prodid=GX...

MSI http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showproduct.php?prodid=GX...

Gainward http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showproduct.php?prodid=GX...

or

HD 6970

Sapphire http://www.cclonline.com/product/45516/11187-00-40R/Gra...

Asus http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showproduct.php?prodid=GX...

Asus Direct CU II http://www.cclonline.com/product/58352/90-C1CQ70-S0UAY0...

HIS Ice-Q http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showproduct.php?prodid=GX...



My computer will be used for gaming to play games like: Battlefield Bad Company 2, Battlefield 3, Crysis 1 & 2, Metro 2033, Total War, World of Warcraft, SWTOR etc

I would like to play as many games as possible on highest settings with 60 FPS. (I know this will not be possible on Metro 2033) but I really would like to max out crysis 2 and Battlefield 3 with 60 FPS @ 1080p


These are my system specs:

CPU: i5 2500k oc @ 4.5GHz

Motherboard: Asus P8P67 Pro

Memory: G.Skills Ripjaws-X 8GB 1600MHz

CPU Cooler: Noctua NH-D14

Solid State Drive: Crucial M4 128 GB

Hard Drive: Samsung Spinpoint F3 1 TB

Power Supply: Corsair HX 750w

Case: Coolermaster CM 690 II Advanced

Operating System: Windows 7 Professional 64bit

Monitor: Samsung Syncmaster B2230 22" 1920x1080p
a b U Graphics card
September 15, 2011 7:43:33 PM

Thanks for replying :) 

Im going to go for either the 6970 or the 570 which one is better?


a b U Graphics card
September 15, 2011 7:49:00 PM

You are looking at a no lose situation but what you are proposing is not possible with either card. If that is what you want perhaps the 79xx series by AMD might offer something that can get closer to your request.
a b U Graphics card
September 15, 2011 7:53:45 PM

Yeah you won't max crysis2 and get 60 fps. I will say to get near that frame rate you will need 2 cards.
a c 143 U Graphics card
September 15, 2011 7:54:10 PM

GTX 570 performs very close to HD 6970, but HD 6970 beats GTX 570... generally both cards are great and it's more depending on the game.
this article claims that sapphire HD toxic 6950 is faster than HD 6970 with a pure little overclock
http://www.xbitlabs.com/articles/graphics/display/sapph...
a b U Graphics card
September 15, 2011 8:08:40 PM

Thanks for the replys. Yeah 60 FPS on crysis 2 was ambitious. Would a 570 or 6970 handle games like Battlefield BC2 / Battlefield 3 (Im hoping Battlefield 3 will be not much more demanding then BC2) and Total war maxed out fine?

Any recommendations for brands? (Build quality, performance, guarantee wise etc)
a b U Graphics card
September 15, 2011 8:12:44 PM

ilysaml said:
GTX 570 performs very close to HD 6970, but HD 6970 beats GTX 570... generally both cards are great and it's more depending on the game.
this article claims that sapphire HD toxic 6950 is faster than HD 6970 with a pure little overclock
http://www.xbitlabs.com/articles/graphics/display/sapph...


Thanks I'll have a read through
a c 143 U Graphics card
September 15, 2011 8:15:50 PM

never go with a reference design, more heat..more noise... i'm talking about AMD
Non-reference designs gives more head for overclocking, better cooling, low noise.. that's what i have been seeing with HD Sapphire 6950
a b U Graphics card
September 15, 2011 8:19:54 PM

So theres not much difference between non-reference cards?
a c 143 U Graphics card
September 15, 2011 8:22:46 PM

don't understand you..... non reference designs are much better for what i said above, besides there are so many of them that are factory overclocked which give better performance and you still have warranty
a b U Graphics card
September 15, 2011 8:30:10 PM

I ment is there not a lot of difference in build quality, performance and warranty etc between the different brands of non-reference. Asus, EVGA, MSI for example.
a c 143 U Graphics card
September 15, 2011 8:33:16 PM

they are really all good brands and very trustable, for me i always go with Sapphire... for someone else go with MSI... it really depends on your own preferences
but i suggest you check the reviews of each one and go with the cheapset
a b U Graphics card
September 15, 2011 8:44:36 PM

Thanks for the advice mate. Its much appreciated. Is there any way i can select best answer for you?
a c 143 U Graphics card
September 15, 2011 9:13:25 PM

you can choose the best answer of whoever on your right down after each post
a c 271 U Graphics card
September 15, 2011 9:24:42 PM

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  • Upgrading Sapphire HD5670, £250 budget
    a b U Graphics card
    September 15, 2011 10:00:01 PM

    ilysaml said:
    GTX 570 performs very close to HD 6970, but HD 6970 beats GTX 570... generally both cards are great and it's more depending on the game.
    this article claims that sapphire HD toxic 6950 is faster than HD 6970 with a pure little overclock
    http://www.xbitlabs.com/articles/graphics/display/sapph...

    where does the 6970 beat the 570? There are some games that run better on the 6970, some run better on the 570; its kind of a crapshoot, and at the resolution OP is playing it wont matter which card he picks as long as he gets what he wants
    a b U Graphics card
    September 15, 2011 10:09:16 PM

    hrm.. looks like a draw to me
    a b U Graphics card
    September 15, 2011 10:17:47 PM

    How long till GTX 600 and HD 7000 series get released? Is there still any point in buying GTX 500 OR HD 6000?
    a b U Graphics card
    September 15, 2011 10:22:37 PM

    people have been saying fall 2011, but we all know how amd is about getting things out on time. if they do release somethign i doubt it will be anything flagship and more than likely their most powerful cards out next spring sometime
    a c 143 U Graphics card
    September 15, 2011 10:37:33 PM

    here is the specs of some 7K series and that will be released in this years, some models are said to be released in this fall and the strongest are kept to compete with nVidia's in Q1 2012
    http://www.tomshardware.com/news/amd-HD-7900-XDR2-Rambu...
    if you don't like to wait you can grab the HD 6970 or GTX 570 both are strong and proof enough to the upcoming games but if you'd like to try the new 1 GHz GPU frequency and new XDR2 technology from AMD then you sould wait for the 7k series
    a b U Graphics card
    September 15, 2011 10:39:49 PM

    in short, you will be happy if you buy now, or if you arent in a hurry, wait a bit and get the new series.
    a b U Graphics card
    September 15, 2011 11:58:30 PM

    I agree 100 % with the post above.
    a b U Graphics card
    September 16, 2011 2:10:07 PM

    Thank you very much for the advice and taking the time to reply everybody!

    I've decided to go for a GTX 570 but still deciding which 570 to get

    Im choosing between these 4, which one would you go for?

    EVGA Superclocked http://www.scan.co.uk/products/1280mb-evga-gtx-570-supe...

    EVGA HD http://www.cclonline.com/product/63286/012-P3-1573-KR/G...

    Gainward Phantom http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showproduct.php?prodid=GX...

    or

    MSI Twin FrozR III http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showproduct.php?prodid=GX...

    Im very tempted by the EVGA Superclocked as its the cheapest, has the highest clock speed and EVGA has a good rep.....but it is a reference design.....
    a b U Graphics card
    September 16, 2011 2:12:48 PM

    i would go with the MSi Twin Frozr model; if you have the case airflow to support it, you will be extremely happy with the temps on this card. Then again if you want EVGA, and a factory OC, and can put up with the noise, then go for the reference model with the OC
    a b U Graphics card
    September 16, 2011 2:46:43 PM

    I have a CM 690 II advanced so my case airflow is ok.

    The only thing im concerned about with the MSI and other non ref cards is it blowing hot air in to my case and then my cpu cooler sucking in that hot air...
    a b U Graphics card
    September 16, 2011 3:37:09 PM

    thats the reason you need good case airflow for those non reference cards. The only way to avoid that is sacrafice the noise level and get a reference design that exhausts the hot air outside the case. You shouldnt have to worry about your cpu cooler running too hot though with enough airflow
    a b U Graphics card
    September 17, 2011 11:16:03 PM

    lothdk said:
    I have the Gainward PHANTOM card, and have to say I am extremely pleased with it.
    The only thing you need to be mindful of if you intend to SLI, is that it takes up 2½ slots of space.

    OC3D did a good review of the Gainward GTX 570 PHANTOM card including a long video.



    I do like the look of the phantom.

    The review was really good, I watched it all the way through. I've never seen a review by him before.

    Shame about the overclocking ability though, have you overclocked yours?
    a b U Graphics card
    September 17, 2011 11:52:51 PM

    That's nice , but it doesn't help with this thread much
    September 18, 2011 2:55:38 AM

    Gothams Finest said:
    I do like the look of the phantom.

    The review was really good, I watched it all the way through. I've never seen a review by him before.

    Shame about the overclocking ability though, have you overclocked yours?


    Yes, but only by a small amount as I am not crazy about overvolting it, so I have it running at 825 core / 1650 shader and 1990 MHz memory clock.

    During idle the card is near silent as the fan speed is low, and the temp for me is 32°C. During load, overclocked, running Crysis 2 DX11 settings maxed out it is mid to high sixties.
    December 11, 2011 12:47:43 AM

    FlintIronStagg said:
    hrm.. looks like a draw to me


    In those benchmarks the 6970 clearly is the winner. In the few that the 570 is better, there is only one in which the 6970 drops below 30 frames per second. In the many in which the 6970 is better, there are several in which the 570 drops below 30 frames per second. 6970 also won in noise and power, and idle.
    !