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How Do I know the motherboard will fit in my Tower -ULTRA NOOB

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November 13, 2011 12:51:23 PM

I'm ultra noob at home building PCs

but I have before upgraded my PSU, ram and graphics card


My problem is, I want to keep my existing tower
replace my weak pentium 4 CPU,
and I think I would have to replace the motherboard too ??


So what do I need ??

A new motherboard ??
A new CPU ??
SHould I get a bundle that comes with ram too ?? Do they come with the heatsink already on ??

DO I have to reset my pc when installing a new motherboard and CPU ??
How do I know which ones will fit ??
This is my tower now.
http://h10025.www1.hp.com/ewfrf/wc/product?cc=uk&lc=en&...
http://h10032.www1.hp.com/ctg/Manual/c00251966.pdf

Also, do I need drivers with it ?
A sound card too ??
Or not ??
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November 13, 2011 12:56:44 PM

fuggles said:
My problem is, I want to keep my existing tower

What cooling options does that tower have?

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November 13, 2011 1:03:24 PM

From what I can tell from pictures and the manual it's only the single 92mm rear fan for cooling. No other options.
Are you positive you want to keep that case?

The basics. What do you want to do with your upgraded PC?
Gaming? What graphics card do you own and/or which one do you plan to get.
What power supply will you be using?

You will need a CPU/RAM/Motherboard. The CPU comes with a heat sink that you attach after you install the CPU into the motherboard.

You will not need a sound card or drivers (they come with the motherboard)
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November 13, 2011 1:04:28 PM

Hmmm, i guess the easiest way would be to take off the 2ndary side panel (the one where you cant see your motherboard/ram/cpu/etc and just measure the distance to the holes then compare them to this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MicroATX :D 

The dell website is giving no information -.- ... you can also try calling them I guess

Oh, and ram heatsinks are largely for show and are kinda useless
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November 13, 2011 1:15:12 PM

fuggles said:
(MB) How do I know which ones will fit ??
This is my tower now.
Compaq Presario SR1230UK
This can be dicey. Another reason for a replacement case. There it's much easier to confirm a MB/Case match, and you'd get better cooling options.

If you run CPU-Z the Mainboard tab will have the information on the motherboard installed in your tower and we should be able to look up some specifics online to figure out what form factor it is.
CPU-Z: list the motherboard details.

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November 13, 2011 1:21:53 PM

You can skip running CPU-z. Google found the motherboard:
HP model name: Grouper-UL8E
MFGR/model name: ASUS PTGD1-LA

It's a standard Micro-ATX form factor.
9.6 inches x 9.6 inches (24.5 cm x 24.5 cm)
November 13, 2011 1:35:18 PM

i already have a 9800gt and sufficient PSU, they are not a problem

the problem is I have a pentium 4, which isn't powerful enough these days

also,

do the bundles for the CPU, motherboard include ram ?? I hope so
November 13, 2011 1:36:19 PM

who mentioned ram heatsinks ???

I meant

does the CPU / Motherboard I buy come with a cooling fan, whatever its called
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November 13, 2011 1:37:39 PM

fuggles said:
sufficient PSU
sufficient for powerful new PSU?
List the make and model for us.
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November 13, 2011 1:39:51 PM

Q. do the bundles for the CPU, motherboard include ram ??
A. Not usually
Q. does the CPU / Motherboard I buy come with a cooling fan
A. A basic CPU cooler comes with the CPU. Do you want to try overclocking?
November 13, 2011 1:40:54 PM

okay, thanks, yes, the only cooling options are

a fan at the back of the tower

or to add another fan onto a PCI slot
like

Zalman ZM-SC100 PCI Slot System Cooling



How would I remove my current Motherboard from this tower ???
step by step


Yes, I want to keep this tower, it has sentimental value.
November 13, 2011 1:42:16 PM

I meant

does the cpu come with a cpu heatsink ?? you know the fan/thing on the actual CPU
November 13, 2011 1:44:50 PM

No, I meant,

I already have a good PSU and good graphics card.

Would I need to upgrade my PSU to power the new CPU do you think ?
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November 13, 2011 1:45:29 PM

You can keep the tower - and you can still do the build in another case.
You can just about buy a whole new case for the price of that ZM-SC100 PCI slot cooler.
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November 13, 2011 1:45:50 PM

You want me to make a guess? Not a good idea.
List your PSU make and model.
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November 13, 2011 1:48:01 PM

fuggles said:
who mentioned ram heatsinks ???

I meant

does the CPU / Motherboard I buy come with a cooling fan, whatever its called


in your first post "SHould I get a bundle that comes with ram too ?? Do they come with the heatsink already on ??"

I thought that meant ram heatsinks.... anywho...

Whats your budget?

I would grab something like this:

Mobo: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168... $65
Ram: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168... $40 (You can also go with a cheaper set of ram if you like, just make sure its DDR3)
CPU: (options)
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168... $62
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168... $75
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168... $125
November 13, 2011 1:49:11 PM

psu is arctic power, 700w

24 amps on the 14v rail, i have the box in front of me
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November 13, 2011 1:49:37 PM

fuggles said:
How would I remove my current Motherboard from this tower ???
step by step
It's the reverse of the new MB install.
You'll need to pay STRICT attention to the MB header connections and label them carefully.

Here is a Step-by-Step Guide to Building a PC

Look over the forum's "System won't boot" checklist to see some of the common build errors and how to avoid them.

November 13, 2011 1:49:37 PM

oops, i meant 12v rail
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November 13, 2011 1:51:05 PM

fuggles said:
24 amps on the 14v rail, i have the box in front of me
That CAN'T be right.
What's the model of that arctic power?

OK 12V is right - but 24 is wayyyyyy too low for a 700W model.
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November 13, 2011 1:52:24 PM

@ mouse24;
I get the impression NewEgg listings won't help the OP, except by example.
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November 13, 2011 1:55:04 PM

Is it the eBuyer model Arctic 700??
The sticker reads:
+3.3v = 30A
+5v = 38A
+12v1 = 22A
+12v2 = 22A
-12v = 0.6A
+5Vsb = 3A

edit;
See it's NOT the same model - no 24A listed.
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November 13, 2011 1:57:19 PM

woopsies, i messed up in my posting saying that the 125w x4 would work on that board... it won't that mobo is only designed for 95w cpus. So if you think you can find a 95w quad core then... lol sorry

and yeah it was mainly for suggestions WR2 as i don't know of any places to shop for pc parts in Europe
November 13, 2011 1:57:39 PM

WR2 said:
Is it the eBuyer model Arctic 700??
The sticker reads:
+3.3v = 30A
+5v = 38A
+12v1 = 22A
+12v2 = 22A
-12v = 0.6A
+5Vsb = 3A

edit;
See it's NOT the same model - no 24A listed.



yes, it's very similar, mine says 24 A though
November 13, 2011 2:01:33 PM

okay, nevermind, I will get a new PSU too


my biggest problem is removing my current Motherboard and knowinf if the one I buy will fit

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November 13, 2011 2:15:19 PM

as long as the motherboard you buy says mATX it will fit, or MICRO ATX :) 
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November 13, 2011 2:18:59 PM

I'm willing to bet you probably don't need a new PSU.
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November 13, 2011 2:20:11 PM

You're biggest problem is going to be matching up the header wires between the two motherboards.
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November 13, 2011 2:26:45 PM

Motherboard header wires for Case Power Switch, Reset Switch, HDD activity LED, Power LED, CPU cooling fan, maybe a case speaker, etc,.


Motherboard, PSU and Case Connections
November 13, 2011 2:48:27 PM

the two motherboards ???
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November 13, 2011 2:50:26 PM

Old one leaving and new one going in.
November 13, 2011 2:51:54 PM

Like I said, I have before replaced my psu .

I know how to match up wires etc.
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November 13, 2011 2:58:22 PM

Let us know how it all works out.
November 13, 2011 3:00:06 PM

wait, I still need more help

Will that motherboard in the ebay link, fit ? I mean will the USB ports at the back of my pc still be in the same place etc etc ?

Will it fit in my tower ??

What will fit in my tower ?? Or will most motherboards fit in my tower ?
November 13, 2011 3:37:09 PM

like I said, my tower has sentimental value

and i want it to be a surprise

when my little brother sees the slow pentium 4 computer case

but when he turns it on,

he realises it suddenly runs all new games

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November 13, 2011 3:47:53 PM

Let me tell you now you are going to want a new tower if you have to replace the motherboard. Each motherboard has different ground points where it is mounted to the case and the case you have has a good chance of not being compatible with a new motherboard when you buy one. So what you need is first a tower, motherboard, and a CPU. Depending on how much you upgrade you may or may not need new ram. If the computer you has is DDR2 and you get a new motherboard that works with DDR2 you are fine but if you want to get a newer motherboard it will be DDR3 compatible only and you will need to get new ram too. Every new motherboard comes with a new back panel so that all the ports line up and you don't have to worry about that. Most motherboards will fit in the tower but not all will work so that's why I would just getting a new tower. With a new tower you will have more room for the future and you can install all of your old components in it.
November 13, 2011 4:00:53 PM

Most OEM Machines Use Standard mATX Spec Boards, At-Least Every One I have Has, And Ive Put Non-OEM Board In A Few Cases, My Suggestion.

1.) Get The Best mATX Board You Can Find That Will Accpet A Quad-Core And Will Accept At-Least A Maximum Of 8GB Of RAM And A PCI-E x16 Slot With At-Minumum 8x Signaling (Dont Worry About Multiple x16 PCI-Es SLI/Crossfire Is Cost Prohibitive Where Itt Matters And Is Generally Overated In Most Cases.

2) Hardware Minimums; Quad-Core 2.0+GHz, 4GB Of DDR3 RAM, 4 SATAs, And 2 Memory Slots

3) Put The Highest Speed (CFM) 92mm Fan In The Rear (With A Balance Of Decebles, Unless YoU Dont Mind Loud Fans), Install The Same In The Fron If You Can, Cut A Blowhole In The Sidepanel That Will Allow A Fresh Air Feed To Your Graphics Card

4) Reuse Everything Else From Your Current Machine, Beside The New Board And RAM

Theres A 90% Chance That A Standard mATX Board Will Fit If Not Theres Alwayse The return Policy

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November 13, 2011 4:03:10 PM

fuggles said:
Surely how difficult can it be to remove a motherboard and match up the wires ??
Right.
What do I know?
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November 13, 2011 4:11:18 PM

hella-d said:
Theres A 90% Chance That A Standard mATX Board Will Fit If Not Theres Alwayse The return Policy
I agree with Hella-D.
It should fit.
That OC'd E5700 drop in board/CPU/RAM/cooler should work.
It will be a major upgrade over the P4 and it should be a good match, gaming wise, with the GT 9800 graphics card.

The chances your HDD will boot up in the new system is a lot (and I mean a LOT) less than 90%. The best option is to do a clean install of the OS with the drivers from the new motherboard handy.

If you're using WinXP go ahead and make sure it's Service Pack3.
Slipstream Service Pack 3 into Your Windows XP Installation CD
November 13, 2011 4:22:56 PM

how do I know from browsing ebay what motherboards are mATX Board
November 13, 2011 4:24:21 PM

fuggles said:
how do I know from browsing ebay what motherboards are mATX Board


Id Reccomend Going To Newegg And Using The Advanced Search, But If Ebay Just CAREFULLY Read The Description
November 13, 2011 4:25:50 PM

WR2 said:
I agree with Hella-D.
It should fit.
That OC'd E5700 drop in board/CPU/RAM/cooler should work.
It will be a major upgrade over the P4 and it should be a good match, gaming wise, with the GT 9800 graphics card.

The chances your HDD will boot up in the new system is a lot (and I mean a LOT) less than 90%. The best option is to do a clean install of the OS with the drivers from the new motherboard handy.

If you're using WinXP go ahead and make sure it's Service Pack3.
Slipstream Service Pack 3 into Your Windows XP Installation CD


Yes Id DEFINITELY Do A Fresh OS Install
November 13, 2011 4:28:21 PM

wait- what has my OS got to do with anything ??

Why can't I just use XP and why do I even have to do a fresh install ??
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November 13, 2011 4:31:50 PM

fuggles said:
wait- what has my OS got to do with anything ??
Has EVERYTHING to do with the OS.
Hardware + Drivers + OS = a happy system.
Your HDD now has drivers for the old stuff. You want drivers for the New Stuff.
Drivers are the bridge between Hardware and OS.
And drivers are MATCHED to the hardware and OS.

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November 13, 2011 4:32:35 PM

fuggles said:
why do I even have to do a fresh install ??
So your system will run.
November 13, 2011 5:13:19 PM

fine, I have no problem installing windows again

That would be an acceptable compromise.

Final question, in your opinion, how difficult is it to do what I am trying ??

November 13, 2011 5:13:52 PM

but could I still replace the cpu and motherboard and still keep my current HDD ??

Is that possible ??

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November 13, 2011 5:16:38 PM

If he downloaded and installed the drivers for the parts he bought onto the hard drive while still running the old system would that work. I'm not sure as all my builds have been from scratch.
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