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November 14, 2011 10:48:21 AM

Well i have a 5+yr old pc lol. I think it's time to upgrade (check out my sig of what i currently have =p). I still want to keep my same old case. I'm looking to spend around 1k to 1200.
I'm looking to buy most of my stuff on amazon because i have over 1k in gift card money. It's been a long while since ive been in the PC game and i need some of your opionions and thoughts. I have several links to newegg to help me chose which one is a good fit for me.
I understand intel is like so far ahead of amd but you will pay a price. I'm thinking of going the amd route just because it's cheaper but will consider intel. I'm also looking into water cooling but never have done it before so it's new to me. BUT, I WOULD LIKE MY NEW SET UP TO BE FUTURED PROOF AS POSSIBLE. I don't want to build a new pc and then 2yrs later it's out of date. I get it that in the pc world there is something newer and faster and things tend to move pretty fast. But i assume you guys and gals get the idea.

I want something where all the memory, mobo, ssd's and video card to be compatible and work well with one another and if there is a new firmware update, it will be easy to update.

Again not very computer savvy but not completely out of the loop.

Gamer= not a hard core gamer but eventually i plan on playing more games when i have the time. But i like to watch a lot of movies on my pc (HD) when possible. I plan on getting a 27" led monitor (possible samsung or lg or another comparable brand).

I don't do any video editing and what not.

If you guys need more info let me know.

CPU

MEMORY

SSD's


MOBO's


LIQUID COOLING (if you guys can suggest other brands as well)

POWER SUPPLY's

VID CARDS


SOUND CARDS (if needed. Doesn't good mobos have already good sound prebuilt onto them?)


Oh and what about LED monitors? What do you guys like? Like i said before i'm looking into the 27inchers.


Again any useful info would be great.

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November 14, 2011 11:50:52 AM

Case - Thermaltake MSI Commander (60$)
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

PSU - Antec green 650watt (70$)
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Mobo - Asrock e3 gen3 (125$)
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

CPU - i5 2500k (215$)
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

GPU - Gigabyte 570 OC (330$)
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Ram - Patriot 1600 2x4gb (45$)
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Cooler - Crosair A70 (39$)
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

You won't need water cooling. But if you must, let's say the Corsair H80 for 91$

SSD - Agility 3 120gb (175$)
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Grand Total: 1059$ (without rebates, without shipping, WITHOUT HDD AND DVD)

Find a random dvd-r for 15$ or so
For the hdd don't get from newegg, try to find what leftovers the local stores got. Aim for Caviar Black/Samsung spinpoint F3/Seagate Barracuda 7200.12


Which brings us to 27" monitors.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
or
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

We got a little bit of budget left eh? But only a little. Listen, the only thing we can do for this system as it is, we either up to motherboard to be more steady for a considerable amount without benefits (extreme4 or asus p8z68v-pro/gen3), we up the psu to be able to host another 570 in the future, we try to shave off things to accomplish fitting a gtx 580.
The later seems promissing but shaving here and shaving there, futureproofing out of the window.

(Unless of course i got this totally wrong and i should have included the 27" monitor in this budget? If that is so we have to let the ssd go to say the least. A shame... but there you have it)
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November 14, 2011 12:23:51 PM

Does the $1k-1.2k included the monitor?

vx53c's build looks pretty good, but I'd do things a bit different:
* Drop the extra CPU HSF for now. I don't think he's going to OC it ($39 savings)
* Drop the Case. Although it has USB 3.0 connections in the front, it only comes w/1 Fan.
* Not too sure on the 128 gb SSD, but it would be a nice addition to the build. The only problem is that the Data HD's are really expensive right now (look up floods in Taiwan for further details).

I'd use these options:
$66 shipped! Comes with 2 x 120mm Fans and plenty of HD arangements and configurations too!!
COOLER MASTER HAF 912 RC-912-KKN1 Black SECC/ ABS Plastic ATX Mid Tower Computer Case

$280 - $30 MIR = $250!! Best Mid-ranged GPU out, IMHO! Could possibly be unlocked to a 6970!
XFX HD-695X-CNDC Radeon HD 6950 2GB 256-bit GDDR5 PCI Express 2.1 x16 HDCP Ready CrossFireX Support Video Card with Eyefinity
or
Go with the GTX 580 as mentioned above.

Don't forget to get at least a 500 gb HD or bigger, if you can find one locally that is at pre-flood prices if possible. 2 TB would've been best at about $60-70 (pre-flood pricing of coarse).
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November 14, 2011 5:25:55 PM

If he isn't going to overclock there isn't a need for the unlocked processor either so he could jump on the i5 2400 that offers the same gaming performance.
What you say about the case is also true. The only disadvantages to the Thermaltake MSI Commander i have noticed is a great difficulty mounting the front fan from the inside out (the conventional method) and the need for pointy screws if you want to mount it from the outside in. It sadly has only one fan as mentioned and you might block the bottom grill partially making the installation to the bottom fan a pain, even resorting to cutting out some of the fan's plastic for a modular psu such as was my case. If you can look past these (minor in my opinion) faults, there isn't a better case in it's range.
All that being said, you can't go wrong with the cm 912.
As for the gfx cards now, i am a supporter of the 6950 too thinking it is the best money/performance card out there, but for slightly different reasons. I don't mind getting a second one when the one i already got won't play everything at ultra, i like big PSUs for their stability and efficiency across medium loads so wattage is never an issue for me. But not everybody shares the same opinion about futureproofing and getting a 570 with a medium psu comes cheaper right off the batt and more expensive when you consider you might need to upgrade it later on.
As for the 1gb vs 2gb matter, even though 6950's may unlock to 6970's they won't allow much of an OC after that making 1gb OCed counterparts outperform them in return. Things change when we are talking multiple screen setups and that is probably the only difference. The exception to all this always being Gigabyte cards which already come overclocked (most of the times) and provide even quite a bit of headroom to be pushed further with their gigantic and silent solutions.
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November 15, 2011 1:52:20 AM

Well I would just stick to non-K CPU models if he isn't going to OC. It is nice to have them, if in the future he wants to OC. This is when I'd consider getting an aftermarket CPU HSF, if he intends on OC'ing the CPU. Most people won't OC their CPU, when they are unfamiliar with OC'ing. I think the 2500k would be the most "Future Proof" for the $ right now. Of coarse it'll cost more than the i5 2400, but I think it allows more flexibility later, if needed/wanted.
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November 16, 2011 4:50:19 AM

Sweet thanks!

I would be willing to upgrade the mobo and psu if need be. if it's beneficial for me down the line then why not spend a little extra.

I'am willing to OC if need be. Is hard to? Never done it before. Not to computer savvy but not totally out of the loop. When it get's technical then i no speak computer ;) 

vx53c said:
Case - Thermaltake MSI Commander (60$)
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

PSU - Antec green 650watt (70$)
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Mobo - Asrock e3 gen3 (125$)
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

CPU - i5 2500k (215$)
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

GPU - Gigabyte 570 OC (330$)
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Ram - Patriot 1600 2x4gb (45$)
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Cooler - Crosair A70 (39$)
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

You won't need water cooling. But if you must, let's say the Corsair H80 for 91$

SSD - Agility 3 120gb (175$)
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Grand Total: 1059$ (without rebates, without shipping, WITHOUT HDD AND DVD)

Find a random dvd-r for 15$ or so
For the hdd don't get from newegg, try to find what leftovers the local stores got. Aim for Caviar Black/Samsung spinpoint F3/Seagate Barracuda 7200.12


Which brings us to 27" monitors.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
or
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

We got a little bit of budget left eh? But only a little. Listen, the only thing we can do for this system as it is, we either up to motherboard to be more steady for a considerable amount without benefits (extreme4 or asus p8z68v-pro/gen3), we up the psu to be able to host another 570 in the future, we try to shave off things to accomplish fitting a gtx 580.
The later seems promissing but shaving here and shaving there, futureproofing out of the window.

(Unless of course i got this totally wrong and i should have included the 27" monitor in this budget? If that is so we have to let the ssd go to say the least. A shame... but there you have it)

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November 16, 2011 4:55:31 AM

Not it does not include a monitor.


lunyone said:
Does the $1k-1.2k included the monitor?

vx53c's build looks pretty good, but I'd do things a bit different:
* Drop the extra CPU HSF for now. I don't think he's going to OC it ($39 savings)
* Drop the Case. Although it has USB 3.0 connections in the front, it only comes w/1 Fan.
* Not too sure on the 128 gb SSD, but it would be a nice addition to the build. The only problem is that the Data HD's are really expensive right now (look up floods in Taiwan for further details).

I'd use these options:
$66 shipped! Comes with 2 x 120mm Fans and plenty of HD arangements and configurations too!!
COOLER MASTER HAF 912 RC-912-KKN1 Black SECC/ ABS Plastic ATX Mid Tower Computer Case

$280 - $30 MIR = $250!! Best Mid-ranged GPU out, IMHO! Could possibly be unlocked to a 6970!
XFX HD-695X-CNDC Radeon HD 6950 2GB 256-bit GDDR5 PCI Express 2.1 x16 HDCP Ready CrossFireX Support Video Card with Eyefinity
or
Go with the GTX 580 as mentioned above.

Don't forget to get at least a 500 gb HD or bigger, if you can find one locally that is at pre-flood prices if possible. 2 TB would've been best at about $60-70 (pre-flood pricing of coarse).

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November 16, 2011 5:03:14 AM

How come you don't think WC is needed? I thought it would be quieter and cool better than air cooling?

What about Thermalright Silver Arrow
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November 16, 2011 6:18:23 AM

Overclocking with the asrock products is easy. There are so many guides online. Take your time and read and nothing will go boom with these components.
Silver arrow is nice if you got the cash, i also very much like Xigmatek Aegir which is cooling as good as silver arrow and it is whisper quiet. Thing is, you can save some money and get the Corsair A70 which is en-par the 2500k and the e3 gen3. It has 2 decelerator diodes and after you connect them you won't ever hear the cooler work for a mere 1.5C difference. Generally the expensive air and water coolers are for overclocking close to 5ghz which is just braggart. 1.35vcore and as much OC as your components will net you. Not all processors of the same model are the same but with these components 4.2ghz-4.5ghz is almost guaranteed.
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December 8, 2011 8:55:02 AM

Ok i think i'm ready to buy some of the parts. I think i would like to wait on the CPU and mobo or at least the cpu. I would like to wait and see what intel or maybe even amd may come out in the coming next 2 to 3 months.
What are your thoughts on AMD cpu? I know they are not on par with intel but for the price it's hard to beat. Plus they came out with there FX series and sure they can be OCed and what not. I'm just curious on your thoughts about amd and if anyone else wants to chime in.
The reason why i ask is i'm looking at the AMD cpu cause of it's cost.

But maybe you can start recommending me case (water cooling ready), cooling (looking into closed loop water cooling), memory, psu, vid card, SSD or HD or even a mobo if need be. Like i said before i would like to have the latest features or "future proof" as possible. But if i do find a good deal on a cpu i may not past it up so who knows.

I'm looking into water cooling and need a case that would support that. The case you suggested not a big fan of it. How about a higher watt rating on the psu and mobo to be more "future proofing". Plus in the future i would like to OC but i've never done it before but i assume it's not hard to right? That's why i would like to go with a better cooling system.






vx53c said:
Case - Thermaltake MSI Commander (60$)
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

PSU - Antec green 650watt (70$)
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Mobo - Asrock e3 gen3 (125$)
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

CPU - i5 2500k (215$)
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

GPU - Gigabyte 570 OC (330$)
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Ram - Patriot 1600 2x4gb (45$)
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Cooler - Crosair A70 (39$)
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

You won't need water cooling. But if you must, let's say the Corsair H80 for 91$

SSD - Agility 3 120gb (175$)
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Grand Total: 1059$ (without rebates, without shipping, WITHOUT HDD AND DVD)

Find a random dvd-r for 15$ or so
For the hdd don't get from newegg, try to find what leftovers the local stores got. Aim for Caviar Black/Samsung spinpoint F3/Seagate Barracuda 7200.12


Which brings us to 27" monitors.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
or
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

We got a little bit of budget left eh? But only a little. Listen, the only thing we can do for this system as it is, we either up to motherboard to be more steady for a considerable amount without benefits (extreme4 or asus p8z68v-pro/gen3), we up the psu to be able to host another 570 in the future, we try to shave off things to accomplish fitting a gtx 580.
The later seems promissing but shaving here and shaving there, futureproofing out of the window.

(Unless of course i got this totally wrong and i should have included the 27" monitor in this budget? If that is so we have to let the ssd go to say the least. A shame... but there you have it)

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December 21, 2011 8:00:28 AM

I'm curious to know if AMD mobo's have PCI-E 3 capability?

If so which brand?
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