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Anonymous
April 23, 2005 6:05:41 AM

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Hi,

I recently replaced the kit lens on my 300D with a Sigma 24-135mm
f/2.8-4.5. One thing I immiediately noticed is that the colours are now
more vivid and *colourful* :) 

Anyone else here who moved to the Sigma 24-135mm from the Canon kit
lens and noticed something similar?

- Siddhartha
Anonymous
April 23, 2005 4:00:23 PM

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In article <1114247141.347431.314970@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>,
"Siddhartha Jain" <losttoy@gmail.com> wrote:

> Hi,
>
> I recently replaced the kit lens on my 300D with a Sigma 24-135mm
> f/2.8-4.5. One thing I immiediately noticed is that the colours are now
> more vivid and *colourful* :) 
>
> Anyone else here who moved to the Sigma 24-135mm from the Canon kit
> lens and noticed something similar?
>
> - Siddhartha

The 18-55mm kit lens is very poor. Most lenses are a big improvement.
Add a hood to get even cleaner color (less grey haze).
Anonymous
April 23, 2005 4:27:12 PM

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Kevin McMurtrie wrote:
> In article <1114247141.347431.314970@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>,
> "Siddhartha Jain" <losttoy@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Hi,
>>
>> I recently replaced the kit lens on my 300D with a Sigma 24-135mm
>> f/2.8-4.5. One thing I immiediately noticed is that the colours are
>> now more vivid and *colourful* :) 
>>
>> Anyone else here who moved to the Sigma 24-135mm from the Canon kit
>> lens and noticed something similar?
>>
>> - Siddhartha
>
> The 18-55mm kit lens is very poor. Most lenses are a big
> improvement.
> Add a hood to get even cleaner color (less grey haze).


Please comment on the quality of these "kit lens" photos:

http://www.fototime.com/DE8DD65B8DB8087/orig.jpg
http://www.fototime.com/0DBE26779B62704/orig.jpg
http://www.fototime.com/5DC4BAE5B4F82BA/orig.jpg
http://www.fototime.com/02F7F893884157A/orig.jpg
http://www.fototime.com/55DA1C3096F2952/orig.jpg

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Anonymous
April 23, 2005 5:43:36 PM

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In article <odGdnb1i34gPPPffRVn-vA@giganews.com>,
"Frank ess" <frank@fshe2fs.com> wrote:

> Kevin McMurtrie wrote:
> > In article <1114247141.347431.314970@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>,
> > "Siddhartha Jain" <losttoy@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> >> Hi,
> >>
> >> I recently replaced the kit lens on my 300D with a Sigma 24-135mm
> >> f/2.8-4.5. One thing I immiediately noticed is that the colours are
> >> now more vivid and *colourful* :) 
> >>
> >> Anyone else here who moved to the Sigma 24-135mm from the Canon kit
> >> lens and noticed something similar?
> >>
> >> - Siddhartha
> >
> > The 18-55mm kit lens is very poor. Most lenses are a big
> > improvement.
> > Add a hood to get even cleaner color (less grey haze).
>
>
> Please comment on the quality of these "kit lens" photos:
>
> http://www.fototime.com/DE8DD65B8DB8087/orig.jpg
> http://www.fototime.com/0DBE26779B62704/orig.jpg
> http://www.fototime.com/5DC4BAE5B4F82BA/orig.jpg
> http://www.fototime.com/02F7F893884157A/orig.jpg
> http://www.fototime.com/55DA1C3096F2952/orig.jpg

I've seen those before. The subjects are very high contrast and the
photos are downsampled. It's hardly a good test of a lens that has
problems with low contrast and low sharpness.

The kit lens is very usable. You can crank up in-camera sharpening and
contrast and set the aperture to F/8 to get good photos. It doesn't
leave much adjustment headroom for difficult shooting conditions. Might
as well get a point'n'shoot because they take great photos under perfect
conditions too.
April 24, 2005 5:15:57 AM

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On Sat, 23 Apr 2005 12:27:12 -0700
In message <odGdnb1i34gPPPffRVn-vA@giganews.com>
"Frank ess" <frank@fshe2fs.com> wrote:

> Please comment on the quality of these "kit lens" photos:
>
> http://www.fototime.com/DE8DD65B8DB8087/orig.jpg
> http://www.fototime.com/0DBE26779B62704/orig.jpg
> http://www.fototime.com/5DC4BAE5B4F82BA/orig.jpg
> http://www.fototime.com/02F7F893884157A/orig.jpg
> http://www.fototime.com/55DA1C3096F2952/orig.jpg

Can't comment on expertly edited / reduced images.

Jeff
Anonymous
April 25, 2005 3:32:38 AM

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Bob(but not that Bob) wrote:
> The Pop Photo May issue says the kit lens is "terrific" - if that
means
> anything, with those color-coded lens reviews that rival the new Food
> Pyramid in ambiguity.
>
> I just picked up a DRebel (pristine refurb for $599 delivered BTW -
in
> case anyone wonders why anyone would, now that the XT is here), and
the
> lens seems OK, but a little flat - perhaps the Sigma just has more
> contrast.
>
> Speaking of Pop Photo - Tokina's advertising that 12-24 so much,
you'd
> swear it was available.

Pop Photo very rarely rates anything poorly so anything that they say
should be taken with a huge grain of salt.

Yep, been seeing those ads from Tokina. Looks like its selling like hot
cakes - backordered on B&H and Adorama.

- Siddhartha
Anonymous
April 25, 2005 4:00:51 AM

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Siddhartha Jain wrote:
>
> Hi,
>
> I recently replaced the kit lens on my 300D with a Sigma 24-135mm
> f/2.8-4.5. One thing I immiediately noticed is that the colours are now
> more vivid and *colourful* :) 
>
> Anyone else here who moved to the Sigma 24-135mm from the Canon kit
> lens and noticed something similar?
>
> - Siddhartha


The Pop Photo May issue says the kit lens is "terrific" - if that means
anything, with those color-coded lens reviews that rival the new Food
Pyramid in ambiguity.

I just picked up a DRebel (pristine refurb for $599 delivered BTW - in
case anyone wonders why anyone would, now that the XT is here), and the
lens seems OK, but a little flat - perhaps the Sigma just has more
contrast.

Speaking of Pop Photo - Tokina's advertising that 12-24 so much, you'd
swear it was available.
Anonymous
April 25, 2005 5:32:40 AM

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"Bob(but not that Bob)" <nobody@nowhere.com> wrote in message
news:426C331C.62BA@nowhere.com...
> Siddhartha Jain wrote:
> >
> > Hi,
> >
> > I recently replaced the kit lens on my 300D with a Sigma 24-135mm
> > f/2.8-4.5. One thing I immiediately noticed is that the colours are now
> > more vivid and *colourful* :) 
> >
> > Anyone else here who moved to the Sigma 24-135mm from the Canon kit
> > lens and noticed something similar?
> >
> > - Siddhartha
>
>
> The Pop Photo May issue says the kit lens is "terrific" - if that means
> anything, with those color-coded lens reviews that rival the new Food
> Pyramid in ambiguity.
>
> I just picked up a DRebel (pristine refurb for $599 delivered BTW - in
> case anyone wonders why anyone would, now that the XT is here), and the
> lens seems OK, but a little flat - perhaps the Sigma just has more
> contrast.
>
> Speaking of Pop Photo - Tokina's advertising that 12-24 so much, you'd
> swear it was available.

where can u get refurbs?? Thanks.
Anonymous
April 25, 2005 8:48:44 AM

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Dirty Harry wrote:
>
> "Bob(but not that Bob)" <nobody@nowhere.com> wrote in message
> news:426C331C.62BA@nowhere.com...
> > Siddhartha Jain wrote:
> > >
> > > Hi,
> > >
> > > I recently replaced the kit lens on my 300D with a Sigma 24-135mm
> > > f/2.8-4.5. One thing I immiediately noticed is that the colours are now
> > > more vivid and *colourful* :) 
> > >
> > > Anyone else here who moved to the Sigma 24-135mm from the Canon kit
> > > lens and noticed something similar?
> > >
> > > - Siddhartha
> >
> >
> > The Pop Photo May issue says the kit lens is "terrific" - if that means
> > anything, with those color-coded lens reviews that rival the new Food
> > Pyramid in ambiguity.
> >
> > I just picked up a DRebel (pristine refurb for $599 delivered BTW - in
> > case anyone wonders why anyone would, now that the XT is here), and the
> > lens seems OK, but a little flat - perhaps the Sigma just has more
> > contrast.
> >
> > Speaking of Pop Photo - Tokina's advertising that 12-24 so much, you'd
> > swear it was available.
>
> where can u get refurbs?? Thanks.

National Camera ( http://www.natcam.com ) had some on eBay - they went
pretty fast - don't know if they are getting more.
April 26, 2005 3:56:21 AM

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In article <odGdnb1i34gPPPffRVn-vA@giganews.com>,
Frank ess <frank@fshe2fs.com> wrote:

>Please comment on the quality of these "kit lens" photos:

Not bad at all, but surely you can understand why the 18-55
is a disappointing lens. It's build quality and feel, just
don't put it in the "fine piece of equipment" category.

It does get the job done, and I've enjoyed using it at the
18mm setting. But it just feels like a crummy lens.
Does your focus ring move? Even with the mirror locked up,
and the camera on a tripod, I'm sure that front element is
vibrating. Yuck. I'm not saying I can measure the aberration
from that effect, bit it can't be a good thing.

Now, the lens I upgraded to probably isn't much better, and may not
even be as good in certain respects (Tamron 28-200XR F3.8), but it
certainly feels better to my hands. I'm sure I'll be investing in
lenses, but I need to recover from buying this 20D, which is way more
camera than I need, and ouch!, but I love it, no remorse at all!

I'm going to a place in May that's worthy of photographs, and I wanted
to have a good camera for the trip. The kit lens and the Tamron should
get me through the summer. (They have to, or else I'd have to go back
to film.)
April 26, 2005 4:00:04 AM

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In article <426C331C.62BA@nowhere.com>,
Bob(but not that Bob) <nobody@nowhere.com> wrote:

>The Pop Photo May issue says the kit lens is "terrific"

Good Lord, really?

Nobody who has ever held a Hasselblad or even a Zeiss lens
in his hand will ever dub the 18-55 kit lens as "terriffic."

I mean, the lens has a front focusing element that visibly
moves from the shutter vibration! It *feels* like junk.

If the optics are good, it's a waste of good glass to be in
this poor a mechanism.
Anonymous
April 26, 2005 4:21:46 AM

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james wrote:
> In article <426C331C.62BA@nowhere.com>,
> Bob(but not that Bob) <nobody@nowhere.com> wrote:
>
> >The Pop Photo May issue says the kit lens is "terrific"
>
> Good Lord, really?
>
> Nobody who has ever held a Hasselblad or even a Zeiss lens
> in his hand will ever dub the 18-55 kit lens as "terriffic."
>
> I mean, the lens has a front focusing element that visibly
> moves from the shutter vibration! It *feels* like junk.
>
> If the optics are good, it's a waste of good glass to be in
> this poor a mechanism.

The front element of the lens has play in MF mode and MF is jerky.
Low-light AF isn't the lens' strong point. That said, I've still kept
the lens. The 18-55mm gives you approximately 28-90mm range and at 190
gms there is no other lens that is light enough for treks. The Sigma
24-135mm I now own weighs 530 gms, the Sigma 18-125mm weighs 385 gms
and the Canon 17-85mm (if I could afford it) weighs 475 gms.

So the lens certainly has it uses.

- Siddhartha
Anonymous
April 26, 2005 9:20:31 AM

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james wrote:
>
> In article <426C331C.62BA@nowhere.com>,
> Bob(but not that Bob) <nobody@nowhere.com> wrote:
>
> >The Pop Photo May issue says the kit lens is "terrific"
>
> Good Lord, really?
>

Just optically, although they did comment on the "well-made" plastic
barrel and lens mount. Maybe anything that doesn't fall apart in their
hands qualifies.


> Nobody who has ever held a Hasselblad or even a Zeiss lens
> in his hand will ever dub the 18-55 kit lens as "terriffic."
>
> I mean, the lens has a front focusing element that visibly
> moves from the shutter vibration! It *feels* like junk.
>
> If the optics are good, it's a waste of good glass to be in
> this poor a mechanism.


This mechanical "quality" is nothing new. Some years ago I picked up an
EOS 750 with a busted plastic zoom lens for $25.

Since the the lens was already in 2 pieces, I could see its innards -
basically empty, with a tiny motor moving a plastic rack attached to a
sliding optical cell as I recall.

A piece of junk compared to all my manual focus Nikon stuff.
April 26, 2005 11:49:29 AM

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In article <1114500106.577635.172370@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com>,
Siddhartha Jain <losttoy@gmail.com> wrote:

>So the lens certainly has it uses.

Sure! I have one and I didn't exactly throw it in the dumpster!
The truth is, it's one of the sharpest lenses I've ever owned, if not
THE sharpest. But I'm also enjoying my Tamron 28-200XR, and I haven't
even been tempted to put the 18-55 back on the camera since getting the
Tamron.

I mean, I'm seeing individual plant cells, reading labels on things that
I didn't see with my eye, and needing to check the colors on things I
photographed, because I look at the picture and think "that can't be
right", and then I look at the real thing closer, and it turns out to be
right, but I couldn't tell from my distance. It's scary.

I suspect my next lens will be a WA zoom Tamron. And I think I'd really
like to have the 50mm f/1.4. I don't know if I want anything in the
long telescopic range, but I won't be buying any L's.
Anonymous
April 26, 2005 12:56:44 PM

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"james" <fishbowl@conservatory.com> wrote in message
news:Fsfbe.82730$A31.12700@fed1read03...
> In article <odGdnb1i34gPPPffRVn-vA@giganews.com>,
> Frank ess <frank@fshe2fs.com> wrote:
>
>>Please comment on the quality of these "kit lens" photos:
>
> Not bad at all, but surely you can understand why the 18-55
> is a disappointing lens. It's build quality and feel, just
> don't put it in the "fine piece of equipment" category.
>
It is ridiculously cheap, so why shouldn't it look and feel cheap?
It yields far better reults than you might reasonably expect.
It gets a whole raft of people into DSLR photography who otherwise might
have been priced out - and they will "graduate" to more lenses.

I used to teach photography. I had some brilliant pupils with cheap (or no)
cameras, I had equipment freaks who bought (and bragged about) the best of
everything - producing technically acute but artistically mundane images.
And, very rarely, a good photographer with good kit.

Put a good photographer behind a poor camera and he will deliver a brilliant
image.
Put a poor photographer behind a brilliant camera and it's just pot luck
;o)
Anonymous
April 26, 2005 7:16:09 PM

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> Sure! I have one and I didn't exactly throw it in the dumpster!
> The truth is, it's one of the sharpest lenses I've ever owned, if not
> THE sharpest. But I'm also enjoying my Tamron 28-200XR, and I haven't
> even been tempted to put the 18-55 back on the camera since getting the
> Tamron.

You don't miss the wider coverage of the 18mm end?

--
Mark Lauter

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Anonymous
April 26, 2005 7:16:10 PM

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"Mark Lauter" <available_upon_request@just_ask_in_a_post.com> wrote in
message news:ZWsbe.13569$716.7237@tornado.tampabay.rr.com...
> > Sure! I have one and I didn't exactly throw it in the dumpster!
> > The truth is, it's one of the sharpest lenses I've ever owned, if not
> > THE sharpest. But I'm also enjoying my Tamron 28-200XR, and I haven't
> > even been tempted to put the 18-55 back on the camera since getting the
> > Tamron.
>
> You don't miss the wider coverage of the 18mm end?
>

I have the Tamron 24-135 and don't miss the 18mm end. I also have an EF-S
10-22 just in case but rarely use it.

Greg
Anonymous
April 26, 2005 8:09:21 PM

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> > You don't miss the wider coverage of the 18mm end?
> >
>
> I have the Tamron 24-135 and don't miss the 18mm end. I also have an EF-S
> 10-22 just in case but rarely use it.

Hmm.. when I first started shooting again about 3 or 4 years ago I was
constantly wishing I had a longer lens.. now I am always wishing for wider.
I'm asking myself, how wide would be wide enough. 28mm isn't. 15 might be.

--
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April 26, 2005 11:04:43 PM

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In article <ZWsbe.13569$716.7237@tornado.tampabay.rr.com>,
Mark Lauter <available_upon_request@just_ask_in_a_post.com> wrote:

>You don't miss the wider coverage of the 18mm end?

Not yet. One of the early decisions I had to make was to accept that
wide-angle is 1.6 times more expensive and difficult now. Having
accepted that, I simply adjust my perception to the parameters of the
new tool.

I'm thinking about a WA, but I'm holding out for a nice wide prime
instead of the zooms I've seen. Although I may snatch the Tamron WA
Zoom, if and when it becomes available.

Meanwhile I have become reluctant to change lenses at all, since reading
some scary stuff about dust and the CCD.

In a couple of weeks, I'm going to a location to shoot some stitched
panorams. I think the 28mm will be fine for this, but one of the two
lenses I have will have to do. I think the Tamron will be fine.
Anonymous
April 26, 2005 11:49:41 PM

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> >You don't miss the wider coverage of the 18mm end?
>
> Not yet.
<snip explanation>

Thanks. I'm also thinking about a super wide prime for my 35mm SLR and
wondering if waiting for a dSLR model with full size sensor is worth it. I
cerntainly can't afford any variant of the EOS 1d but I already feel like
28mm isn't wide enough. Would like a 15mm without fisheye if such a thing
exists. But these begin to get expensive and would only be 24mm worth of
wideness on the dSLR I have in mind..

Trying to find the middle Way, but it's not clear to me yet. Something has
to give soon because in just 2 months I've burned 1/2 the price of a new
350/XT in film and lab fees. :( 

--
Mark Lauter

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Anonymous
April 26, 2005 11:49:42 PM

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"Mark Lauter" <available_upon_request@just_ask_in_a_post.com> wrote in
message news:p Xwbe.31522$_t3.9093@tornado.tampabay.rr.com...
> > >You don't miss the wider coverage of the 18mm end?
> >
> > Not yet.
> <snip explanation>
>
> Thanks. I'm also thinking about a super wide prime for my 35mm SLR and
> wondering if waiting for a dSLR model with full size sensor is worth it.
I
> cerntainly can't afford any variant of the EOS 1d but I already feel like
> 28mm isn't wide enough. Would like a 15mm without fisheye if such a thing
> exists. But these begin to get expensive and would only be 24mm worth of
> wideness on the dSLR I have in mind..
>
> Trying to find the middle Way,

How about the 17-40L for a middle way?

Greg
Anonymous
April 27, 2005 1:53:20 AM

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Mark Lauter <available_upon_request@just_ask_in_a_post.com> wrote:

> Thanks. I'm also thinking about a super wide prime for my 35mm SLR and
> wondering if waiting for a dSLR model with full size sensor is worth it.

You'll be waiting some number of years for that.

> I cerntainly can't afford any variant of the EOS 1d but I already feel like
> 28mm isn't wide enough. Would like a 15mm without fisheye if such a thing
> exists.

Sure, you can get even wider.

> But these begin to get expensive and would only be 24mm worth of
> wideness on the dSLR I have in mind..

Isn't there a 17-something in the Canon lineup? I find that to be about
as wide as I want, but I'm not really into the super-wide-angle thing; if
you are, you can get a 10-22 (or something like that) from Canon.

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Anonymous
April 27, 2005 1:54:15 AM

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james <fishbowl@conservatory.com> wrote:

> Meanwhile I have become reluctant to change lenses at all, since reading
> some scary stuff about dust and the CCD.

What you read around here is far scarier than the reality of it. :) 

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Anonymous
April 27, 2005 2:05:19 AM

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On Tue, 26 Apr 2005 21:53:20 -0000, Jeremy Nixon <jeremy@exit109.com>
wrote:

>Mark Lauter <available_upon_request@just_ask_in_a_post.com> wrote:
>
>> Thanks. I'm also thinking about a super wide prime for my 35mm SLR and
>> wondering if waiting for a dSLR model with full size sensor is worth it.
>
>You'll be waiting some number of years for that.
>
>> I cerntainly can't afford any variant of the EOS 1d but I already feel like
>> 28mm isn't wide enough. Would like a 15mm without fisheye if such a thing
>> exists.
>
>Sure, you can get even wider.
>
>> But these begin to get expensive and would only be 24mm worth of
>> wideness on the dSLR I have in mind..
>
>Isn't there a 17-something in the Canon lineup? I find that to be about
>as wide as I want, but I'm not really into the super-wide-angle thing; if
>you are, you can get a 10-22 (or something like that) from Canon.

The 10-20 is an EF-S and only for the 1.6 sensor cameras. I would not
buy a lenses which did not have the ability to be used with a future
full size sensor. In that are there are EF 15mm fisheye, a 14mm F2.8L
and then in the zooms there's the 17-40mm F4.0L and a 16-35 F2.8L.


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Anonymous
April 27, 2005 2:15:11 AM

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"G.T." <getnews1@dslextreme.com> wrote

> > Trying to find the middle Way,
>
> How about the 17-40L for a middle way?

I think that would give me, in 35mm equivelent terms, about 28mm on the wide
side if I bought the 350/XT. I have a Rebel 2000 with the 28mm-80mm kit
lens and the 28mm end isn't quite wide enough for my current interests which
are mostly Florida landscapes. I guess I'd need a 10mm on the Xt to equal
the 17mm R.2000. I haven't looked yet, but that can't be a cheap lens.

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Anonymous
April 27, 2005 2:20:19 AM

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"John A. Stovall" <johnastovall@earthlink.net> wrote

> The 10-20 is an EF-S and only for the 1.6 sensor cameras. I would not
> buy a lenses which did not have the ability to be used with a future
> full size sensor.

Interesting point.

> In that are there are EF 15mm fisheye, a 14mm F2.8L
> and then in the zooms there's the 17-40mm F4.0L and a 16-35 F2.8L.

I'd buy a 3rd party lens if I could find a site with a comprehensive list of
brands.

B&H lists vivitar, sigma and tamron in the mix, but I'm not sure if they're
any good.

--
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Anonymous
April 27, 2005 2:31:30 AM

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On Tue, 26 Apr 2005 22:20:19 GMT, "Mark Lauter"
<available_upon_request@just_ask_in_a_post.com> wrote:

>"John A. Stovall" <johnastovall@earthlink.net> wrote
>
>> The 10-20 is an EF-S and only for the 1.6 sensor cameras. I would not
>> buy a lenses which did not have the ability to be used with a future
>> full size sensor.
>
>Interesting point.
>
>> In that are there are EF 15mm fisheye, a 14mm F2.8L
>> and then in the zooms there's the 17-40mm F4.0L and a 16-35 F2.8L.
>
>I'd buy a 3rd party lens if I could find a site with a comprehensive list of
>brands.

I wouldn't buy a 3rd party lenses but here's where you can find
information on those which work with Canon.

http://www.patrickmurphystudio.com/canoneos/index.htm


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Anonymous
April 27, 2005 2:45:50 AM

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On 26 Apr 2005 00:21:46 -0700, "Siddhartha Jain" <losttoy@gmail.com>
wrote:

>james wrote:
>> In article <426C331C.62BA@nowhere.com>,
>> Bob(but not that Bob) <nobody@nowhere.com> wrote:
>>
>> >The Pop Photo May issue says the kit lens is "terrific"
>>
>> Good Lord, really?
>>
>> Nobody who has ever held a Hasselblad or even a Zeiss lens
>> in his hand will ever dub the 18-55 kit lens as "terriffic."
>>
>> I mean, the lens has a front focusing element that visibly
>> moves from the shutter vibration! It *feels* like junk.
>>
>> If the optics are good, it's a waste of good glass to be in
>> this poor a mechanism.
>
>The front element of the lens has play in MF mode and MF is jerky.
>Low-light AF isn't the lens' strong point. That said, I've still kept
>the lens. The 18-55mm gives you approximately 28-90mm range and at 190
>gms there is no other lens that is light enough for treks. The Sigma
>24-135mm I now own weighs 530 gms, the Sigma 18-125mm weighs 385 gms
>and the Canon 17-85mm (if I could afford it) weighs 475 gms.
>
>So the lens certainly has it uses.
>
>- Siddhartha

Always amazes me how so many people are so quick to look down
on something that does not cost a lot of money & or is partly made out
of plastic. For the record, I have this lens & it's a great general
purpose walking around lens that reforms very well in spite of it's
sub $100.00 US price. Does Canon make better lenses? Certainly they
do but not everybody can afford them or they need to save for just 1
or 2 of Canon's better 1's & certainly more expensive lenses.

Every lens has both it's strong points & weak points
regardless of cost. A good photographer learns to make the most of
what he or she has. My 17-85mm IS lens is a joy to take pictures with
but it too has a few weaknesses that 1 needs to keep in mind when
taking pictures. My kit lens still has it's uses & is not going to be
sold nor left around collecting dust.

Then again I am just an amateur photographer & probably always
will be. Just to show you how bad I am, here is a collection of lousy
"existing light" digital pictures taken with various P&S digital
cameras.

www.pbase.com/dhb_2005

Incidentally, many people said the 18-55mm kit lens was junk
long before it was 1st released for sale with the Digital Rebel/300D &
even before any reviews were out. Last I checked, that clearly
illustrates "prejudice" (pre-judge)!

Just my 2 cents worth - inflation.

Respectfully, DHB
"To announce that there must be no criticism of the President,
or that we are to stand by the President, right or wrong,
is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable
to the American public."--Theodore Roosevelt, May 7, 1918
Anonymous
April 27, 2005 4:12:14 AM

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Mark Lauter wrote:
> I think that would give me, in 35mm equivelent terms, about 28mm on
the wide
> side if I bought the 350/XT. I have a Rebel 2000 with the 28mm-80mm
kit
> lens and the 28mm end isn't quite wide enough for my current
interests which
> are mostly Florida landscapes. I guess I'd need a 10mm on the Xt to
equal
> the 17mm R.2000. I haven't looked yet, but that can't be a cheap
lens.

Have you considered using de-fishing software to correct the
aberrations caused by fisheyes? There is the Peleng 8mm that costs
$200. Its a M42 mount lens but sells with an EOS/Nikon mount adapter.
See this:
http://www.jarnell.com/reviews/peleng/index.htm

Very interesting!!

- Siddhartha
April 27, 2005 5:25:09 AM

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On Tue, 26 Apr 2005 19:49:41 GMT
In message <pXwbe.31522$_t3.9093@tornado.tampabay.rr.com>
"Mark Lauter" <available_upon_request@just_ask_in_a_post.com> wrote:

> ...
> ... Would like a 15mm without fisheye if such a thing exists.
> ...

The only Canon SLR / dSLR rectilinear lens is the EF 14mm f/2.8L USM

http://www.bhphotovideo.com/bnh/controller/home?O=produ...

If you think these lens prices are high,
check out the movie and video industries.
We are discussing chump change...

Jeff (This "fun & relaxing hobby" can be stressful at times...)
April 27, 2005 5:50:54 AM

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On Tue, 26 Apr 2005 21:54:15 -0000
In message <116te47nk8qbg3c@corp.supernews.com>
Jeremy Nixon <jeremy@exit109.com> wrote:

> What you read around here is far scarier than the reality of it. :) 

Unless your reality places you near the beach, in the rain, above/next
to a race track with the cars generating a 200+mph down force,
downtown in a windy city, etc... not all photo opportunities are SLR
friendly.

SENSORS - THE DIRTY GOOEY TRUTH

Does it happen? Yes.

Does it happen frequently? No.

Does it happen frequently? Occasionally, yes.

Murphy's Law will dictate when. Be prepared.

Jeff
Anonymous
April 27, 2005 8:36:36 AM

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Mark Lauter <available_upon_request@just_ask_in_a_post.com> wrote:
>"G.T." <getnews1@dslextreme.com> wrote

>> > Trying to find the middle Way,
>>
>> How about the 17-40L for a middle way?
>
>I think that would give me, in 35mm equivelent terms, about 28mm on the wide
>side if I bought the 350/XT. I have a Rebel 2000 with the 28mm-80mm kit
>lens and the 28mm end isn't quite wide enough for my current interests which
>are mostly Florida landscapes. I guess I'd need a 10mm on the Xt to equal
>the 17mm R.2000. I haven't looked yet, but that can't be a cheap lens.

The 10-22mm EF-S lens is about $750

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Ray Fischer
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April 27, 2005 8:36:37 AM

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Ray Fischer wrote:
> Mark Lauter <available_upon_request@just_ask_in_a_post.com> wrote:
>
>>"G.T." <getnews1@dslextreme.com> wrote
>
>
>>>>Trying to find the middle Way,
>>>
>>>How about the 17-40L for a middle way?
>>
>>I think that would give me, in 35mm equivelent terms, about 28mm on the wide
>>side if I bought the 350/XT. I have a Rebel 2000 with the 28mm-80mm kit
>>lens and the 28mm end isn't quite wide enough for my current interests which
>>are mostly Florida landscapes. I guess I'd need a 10mm on the Xt to equal
>>the 17mm R.2000. I haven't looked yet, but that can't be a cheap lens.
>
>
> The 10-22mm EF-S lens is about $750

Nobody mentioned the Sigma 12-24 f4.5-5.6 EX DG HSM
<http://194.100.88.243/petteri/pont/Reviews/a_Sigma_12-2...;
http://www.pbase.com/dhatchner/sigma_1224_vs_canon_1740...

The second link gives a no-go but it's based on softness in a comparison
with a 17-x canon. The 12-x is obviously going to have some compromises
plus it's good on film or a full frame sensor where the wide angle would
be really nuts. $700
April 27, 2005 10:43:29 AM

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In article <D8zbe.26163$5f.10554@tornado.tampabay.rr.com>,
Mark Lauter <available_upon_request@just_ask_in_a_post.com> wrote:

>B&H lists vivitar, sigma and tamron in the mix, but I'm not sure if they're
>any good.

It depends on your criteria for "good." Mine is along the lines of
"good value, gets the job done, doesn't cause me to miss any meals or
car payments." So I have a Tamron zoom lens. It's the best glass I've
ever owned. I don't know if it does my camera justice, but I don't
care.

I took some test shots and was looking at them critically. I was able
to see some things in my test shot that I couldn't see with my eye. I
was able to enlarge fine print on things that I would have had to take
off the shelf to read. I saw something at the edge that looked
yellowish, and thought "a-hah! chroma aberration!" Nope, it was
accurate, but I had to get up close to see it.

So I'm satisfied with a $275 lens. To do any better, I'd have to get,
say, a $1500 lens. IS lenses are really neat. But just because I
bought a $1300 camera body, does NOT mean I'm in the market for such
lenses.

I probably will get one or two EF primes. But I'd have no qualms about
getting another Tamron or maybe trying Sigma in the meantime.

See, there's also the tangible factor of something being good enough to
get the job done, and within my budget of discretionary spending.
There's also the threshold where I could have an angry woman on my
hands. (Although, you should realize that part of the reason I went for
a 20D instead of a Rebel or a Nikon, was at the encouragement of that
potentially angry woman, so it's not a huge risk.)
Anonymous
April 27, 2005 4:15:38 PM

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> Have you considered using de-fishing software to correct the
> aberrations caused by fisheyes? There is the Peleng 8mm that costs
> $200. Its a M42 mount lens but sells with an EOS/Nikon mount adapter.
> See this:
> http://www.jarnell.com/reviews/peleng/index.htm
>
> Very interesting!!

I hadn't thought about that as I'm mostly shooting film and would like a
lens that will be super-duper-ultra-crazy wide for my film SLR and
super-wide for the new dSLR that I have my eye on. And.. hmmmm.. that is a
very interesting suggestion. Thanks.

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Anonymous
April 27, 2005 4:18:01 PM

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"james" <fishbowl@conservatory.com> wrote
<snip>
> See, there's also the tangible factor of something being good enough to
> get the job done, and within my budget of discretionary spending.

We think alike. Thanks for the post. :) 

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Anonymous
April 27, 2005 4:19:57 PM

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> If you think these lens prices are high,
> check out the movie and video industries.
> We are discussing chump change...

I'll have to explain that to the IRS when I don't have money to pay them.
"Hey guys, just be thankful I'm not into film making." <g>

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