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February 15, 2012 4:29:45 PM

I have an amd athlon ii x4 630 amd3 and a intel i7 860 lga 1156
I need a motherboard for which ever one I keep.
I want to know if I should go amd so I can get a 990fx mobo so I can use my front usb 3.0 and be future proof and upgrade whenever I need to or should I get a p55 mobo and not be able to use the front usb 3.0 and not have an upgrade path in the future or should I sell both cpus and get a sandy bridge or a amd fx or wait for an ivy bridge cpu
My spec so far:
Cooler master Storm Trooper
Xfx 650w xxx edition
6gb of poopy ddr3 ram
Asus gtx 460 1gb directcu oced
western digital 1tb green cavier

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February 15, 2012 4:31:21 PM

Keep your intel.
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February 15, 2012 4:41:05 PM

Your i7-860 outperforms your Athlon II.

The difference in performance between a 1st gen and 2nd gen Core i7 is about 10% - 12%. That's really too small to justify upgrading to Sandy Bridge. If you really need to use USB 3.0, then buy a USB 3.0 adapter card and stick it in your PC.

I wouldn't bother with upgrading until Intel's Haswell CPU comes out next year.
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February 15, 2012 5:22:28 PM

jaguarskx said:
I wouldn't bother with upgrading until Intel's Haswell CPU comes out next year.


You are getting closer to convincing me, just by saying it often enough :) 
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February 15, 2012 5:40:02 PM

I just bought the same board and have been running it non stop with a game that calls for an i7 or better cpu and im playing on an FX-4100 cpu,i have been surfing and running other programs and never seen the usage over 62%, my older athlon 3800 would hit 90 to 100% usage just in the game alone.

Roswell challenger 3.0 case(3 case fans)
750 sli power supplu
GIGABYTE GA-990FXA-UD5 AM3+ AMD 990FX SATA 6Gb/s USB 3.0 ATX
AMD FX-4100(starter)
8 gigs of corsair vengeance ram
2 evga 9600 1 g in sli(2 yrs old)
WD 500 gig hd sata
asus dvd rw
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February 15, 2012 5:50:20 PM

13thmonkey said:
You are getting closer to convincing me, just by saying it often enough :) 



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February 15, 2012 6:17:43 PM

jaguarskx said:
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might have to recase my machine
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February 15, 2012 6:17:56 PM

I would say sell it all, and get yourself LGA 2011 get up , especially with the new core i7 3820. But then again, you can go with a cheap LGA1155 and then upgrade to Ivy Bridge with the same mobo.
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February 15, 2012 6:36:05 PM

You probably know what you want to do already. This seems like your trying to start another AMD bashing session. lol
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February 15, 2012 6:43:32 PM

Just keep the I7. Yea it's not an I7 extreme and its an older socket but it's still an I7 and it will out perform the Athelon II. Do you have to get something now or can you wait?
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February 15, 2012 6:44:48 PM

ismaeljrp said:
I would say sell it all, and get yourself LGA 2011 get up , especially with the new core i7 3820. But then again, you can go with a cheap LGA1155 and then upgrade to Ivy Bridge with the same mobo.

Why would you even consider it, its comparative to AMD's bulldozer .. Intel never goes down in performance right? guess again.

http://www.techspot.com/review/492-intel-core-i7-3820/p...

slower than a 3.3 ghz I5
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February 15, 2012 6:51:58 PM

While it might be a little hard to get a good board for the Intel® Core™ i7-860 that is the past that I would follow for now. The Intel Core i7-860 is a solid processor that should get you time to before you need to upgrade in the future.

Christian Wood
Intel Enthusiast Team
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February 15, 2012 7:04:02 PM

to the OP, the i7 if you can find a board
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February 15, 2012 8:15:30 PM

Ok,just reading throught this post and iam now more confused than ever,i want to upgrade my pc and was looking at a core i5 2550 but then i heard about IB and now there is Haswell,when is it ever going to be a good time to upgrade. If i buy a i5 its going to be out of date by April,if i wait for IB then that will be out of date within a year,just dont know what to do lol.
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February 15, 2012 8:30:46 PM

check the review I posted, there isn't any reason to go for a new motherboard +cpu over the 860, its considerably faster than the 750 and even that is within 1-2 fps of the newest and greatest

http://www.techspot.com/review/492-intel-core-i7-3820/p...

just pick up a cheap h55 and wait 2-3 years.

As for usb 3.0, do you have any 3.0 devices?
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February 15, 2012 8:36:22 PM

Andy, there is no future proofing when it comes to computers. Going into it you have to understand that whatever processor you get in one year to 18 months it will be out classed by something bigger and better. It's just the way it is for CPU's and video cards. I would say get an I3 or I5 now (depending on what you want to do and budget) and save up and wait for Haswell in 2013.
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February 15, 2012 8:52:37 PM

Tbh,i am not to bothered about USB 3.0,more PCI 3.0. Core i3,5,7 are not PCI 3.0 but IB is,what i might do is go with the Core i5 2550 and miss out IB and if (with a bios update) the Z68 MB is compatible with Haswell get that when it comes out next year. I only game and surf the net tbh but its been many years since i have had a pc build with any intel parts in it. I was going to stick with AMD cpu`s but from what i read the bulldozer is a bit of a fail so i am going to try Intel again.
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February 15, 2012 9:11:50 PM

Comparing AMD to Intel is like comparing cod liver oil to pizza.
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February 16, 2012 1:11:53 AM

I'm not trying to get an ugly mobo I want a red and black one and I really want the front usb3.0 header and if I keepy the athlon I can get a future upgrade path and yes I am an amd fanboy but I want the best way to do this, only reason I like amd better the intel is cuz of all the d*** moves intels done
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February 16, 2012 1:29:22 AM

intelnvidia said:
I'm not trying to get an ugly mobo I want a red and black one and I really want the front usb3.0 header and if I keepy the athlon I can get a future upgrade path and yes I am an amd fanboy but I want the best way to do this, only reason I like amd better the intel is cuz of all the d*** moves intels done

Then you want a republic of gamers board, which ever chipset you get. your gonna want Republic!
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February 16, 2012 1:49:19 AM

Rockdpm said:
Then you want a republic of gamers board, which ever chipset you get. your gonna want Republic!

yeA but the thing is they dont sell the maximus 3 anymore but if I go amd route I can get the asus crosshair 5 or asrock fata1ity 990fx
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February 16, 2012 1:50:14 AM

intelnvidia - Stick with your AMD build
From the sounds of your post you sound set in stone on the amd and just tring to get a flame war going.

I'll stick with my Intel. When I buy, I buy the best I can afford - future proofing is a kids game as it does not really exist, Just about any system is out dated badly in two years - And it's not even really the cpu, it's the MB features.

As to intel coming out with new cpus, I say keep them coming. I always update my MB when buying a cpu anyway. Too bad AMD is cutting back on consummer Desktop system support.
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February 16, 2012 1:52:42 AM

andy_93 said:
Tbh,i am not to bothered about USB 3.0,more PCI 3.0. Core i3,5,7 are not PCI 3.0 but IB is,what i might do is go with the Core i5 2550 and miss out IB and if (with a bios update) the Z68 MB is compatible with Haswell get that when it comes out next year. I only game and surf the net tbh but its been many years since i have had a pc build with any intel parts in it. I was going to stick with AMD cpu`s but from what i read the bulldozer is a bit of a fail so i am going to try Intel again.

from what I heard was that the bulldozer architecture is ment for window 7 but idk they would have a cpu that's not optimized for win 7
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February 16, 2012 1:55:41 AM

RetiredChief said:
intelnvidia - Stick with your AMD build
From the sounds of your post you sound set in stone on the amd and just tring to get a flame war going.

I'll stick with my Intel. When I buy, I buy the best I can afford - future proofing is a kids game as it does not really exist, Just about any system is out dated badly in two years - And it's not even really the cpu, it's the MB features.

As to intel coming out with new cpus, I say keep them coming. I always update my MB when buying a cpu anyway. Too bad AMD is cutting back on consummer Desktop system support.

I'm not trying to start anything and if I get lga 1155 or lga 2011 woulit support the heiwser or watever its called
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February 16, 2012 2:05:30 AM

IntelEnthusiast said:
before you need to upgrade in the future.

HASWELL :love: 
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February 16, 2012 2:10:25 AM

So you skip heiwser, you get SB or IB and keep for three years, By then You will need a new MB anyway. Do you really think you will need more than a I5/I7 SB OCed to 4.6 CPU for quite some time. IB gets you a little more performance gain.

Personally, I would not upgrade either system - Jump in and don't fret futureproof, just an't goning to happen.
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February 16, 2012 2:25:42 AM

RetiredChief said:
So you skip heiwser, you get SB or IB and keep for three years, By then You will need a new MB anyway. Do you really think you will need more than a I5/I7 SB OCed to 4.6 CPU for quite some time. IB gets you a little more performance gain.

Personally, I would not upgrade either system - Jump in and don't fret futureproof, just an't goning to happen.

the thing is I have jo mob for either system and if I get amd I have a more future proof mobo cuz they say the next amd cpus piledriver will support amd3+
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February 16, 2012 5:03:31 AM

The I7 860 will probably last past piledriver. The athlon won't.
Either way past that both will require a new mb and probably ddr4.

So amd board now, new cpu next year, or intel mb, new cpu in 2-3 years, be it intel or amd.
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February 16, 2012 9:18:03 AM

noob2222 said:
The I7 860 will probably last past piledriver. The athlon won't.
Either way past that both will require a new mb and probably ddr4.

So amd board now, new cpu next year, or intel mb, new cpu in 2-3 years, be it intel or amd.

can u tell me war sandy bridge e has over sandy bridge and the difference thays gonna be woth ivy bridge and sandy bridge e?
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February 16, 2012 10:19:52 AM

Sell everything and upgrade from there.
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February 16, 2012 10:24:56 AM

sarinaide said:
Sell everything and upgrade from there.

from where
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February 16, 2012 10:34:59 AM

I am not sure what you mean by "from where", unless we get more specific.
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February 16, 2012 10:37:07 AM

Well dude, check out my specs. If you can get the Sabertooth or Republic of Gamers board or even Asrock 990FX. you can't go wrong. As for CPU get the 8120 or 8150. Because anything AMD FX Cpu below that is kinda garbage. eh my FX 6100 does the job enough but won't last long. what these guys and i have been trying to tell you, your gonna last longer without buying new CPU or mobo for the longest if you go with Intel. With AMD, its once you have drinked up all the CPU can do in 2 years your gonnna have to spend another 200$ on a CPU and probably a new mobo anyways because by that time they will have newer features. Its really up to you just saying
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February 16, 2012 10:41:57 AM

Tender what you can get for your current componants, salvage your case and PSU, drives, you only need like $500 then to get something competitive and new.
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February 16, 2012 1:16:13 PM

sarinaide said:
Tender what you can get for your current componants, salvage your case and PSU, drives, you only need like $500 then to get something competitive and new.

how much do u think i can get for all the compoments and im not telling my case i just got it
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February 16, 2012 1:37:08 PM

RetiredChief said:
intelnvidia - Stick with your AMD build
From the sounds of your post you sound set in stone on the amd and just tring to get a flame war going.

I'll stick with my Intel. When I buy, I buy the best I can afford - future proofing is a kids game as it does not really exist, Just about any system is out dated badly in two years - And it's not even really the cpu, it's the MB features.

As to intel coming out with new cpus, I say keep them coming. I always update my MB when buying a cpu anyway. Too bad AMD is cutting back on consummer Desktop system support.




I'm with you that when I upgrade, I buy the best I can afford. That is why I just can't agree with you on a lasting computer. My last build I put high end products in it for the time and got 5 years out of it with great gaming performance. That is what I call future proofing. I skipped multiple gens of processors and did just fine. You don't have to upgrade to the newest and greatest just because it's new. You really think a 4.5 I7 2600k won't be able to keep up with what you want to do in a year or two? Either you have money to blow, just like benchmark scores, or both. If you truly challenge your processor then maybe, but most people are just gamers who never take full advantage of it.

Not to get too far from the question, Rock you I7 if we can manage to convince you of that. As others have said, you seem pretty set on your AMD. You say not but pretty much everyone told you I7 and your still trying to argue the AMD :) 
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February 16, 2012 1:59:08 PM

If you sell both cpus how much can you expect to make? I checked and the cheapest 990fx mb that supports usb3 is@$130. If you want to stay with AMD do it. I have a Asus Sabertooth 990FX and it is a great MB. If I'm already going to spend @$130 on a mb and I can get at least @$125 for both of your CPUs I would go the SB route.

I have both an AMD 990FX mb and 2 1155 Z68 mbs
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February 16, 2012 6:01:04 PM

@ gbmike : I think you miss understood me.
Quote: . You really think a 4.5 I7 2600k won't be able to keep up with what you .... End quote.

My Point was that a I5/I7 SB would be fine and probably good for a min of 3 year (for gaming, other tasks depend on thoes tasks).
I went from an E6400 @ 3.2 -> I5-750 -> I5-2500K, But it WAS NOT about the CPU each upgrade was for features. For me the single biggest reason was for DDR3/SATA II, then For USB3 and Sata III. My E6400 replaced a computer that was 6->8 years old AND Still in USE. My I5-2500k, I do NOT plan on upgrading for 2->4 years.

As to My available $$$, has NO bearing on my choices. I could have bought a 256 Gig SSD and a new 7xxx series GPU instead of the 6870 GPU and 128 gig SSD with cash I keep around the House.

Bottem Line: My advise would be to get an I5 with a Z68 MB and ENJOY it for the next 3 years, or longer.

My choice of Intel is NOT based on the CPU alone. AMD CPUs are fast enough in most cases. The problem is the chipsets on the MB and the support.
Unfortunately Intel has one He__ of a larger R&D budget and personnel support than AMD. AMD has stated that it will no longer compete on the higher end desktops computers, Look How long it took AMD to get a proper driver for SSDs, and The problem developing a driver/software to work with SB notebooks for switching between dGPU (for 3-D apps) and iGPU (for 2 D apps) – In fact, not sure they have yet, compared with Nvidia. NOTE ALL my desktops have ati/amd GPUs. And how about quick sync and SRT (Personally not a lover of SRT).
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February 16, 2012 7:39:02 PM

"Bottem Line: My advise would be to get an I5 with a Z68 MB and ENJOY it for the next 3 years, or longer."

Gotcha, and that is a good recommendation.
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March 29, 2012 1:22:31 AM

I never heard anyone recmoned amd in a high end build haha. intel fanboys everywere?
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March 29, 2012 1:52:48 AM

yea haha
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