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November 15, 2011 7:27:02 PM

EDIT x4 : I have made more changes and narrowed some of my selections down.
I put an * next to ones which I listed and were recommended.

Approximate Purchase Date: (After Tax returns but am looking for Deals and Special Discounts!) (Willing to wait for a better deal)

Budget Range: (2000 or less...hoping for less) I am not a crazy OC'er and look for rock solid stability in lieu of constant changes to settings)

System Usage from Most to Least Important: (Gaming (RPG and RTS), College/Work papers, Surfing the internet)

Parts Not Required: (Keyboard (G15) open to better suggestions, Mouse (G9) open to suggestions, speakers(Polk Audio floor standing speakers w/ Denon Amp)

Preferred Website(s) for Parts: (Newegg.com but open to suggestions - focus is on customer service and LOW prices)

Country: (USA) North West

Parts Preferences: (Will annotate which I am firm on using next to parts)

Overclocking: (Yes - CPU) I have no experience OCing Memory nor GPU

SLI or Crossfire: Maybe - Depends on Performance/Price/Recommendations

Monitor Resolution: (1920x1080 or 1920x1200) I am using a 24" Monitor which is about to die. Want to say at 24" or higher with a great $$$ discount

Additional Comments: (The family has three cats and I have three kids...none of which are supposed to be near my PC, however, dust is a bit of a problem...will address when asking about PC Case)

Parts I am FIRM on using:
1. Intel Core i7-2600K Sandy Bridge 3.4GHz
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Note: I am looking for Superior AIR cooling I have found this to be the current powerhouse, however, I am open to suggestions.

CPU Cooling: Noctua NH-D14
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...


Case: Current is the Thermaltake Armor + (Always collecting large dust bunnies!) I have looked at a couple of alternatives
1. COOLER MASTER CM Storm Series Trooper
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

2. Open to suggestions - I REALLY like the removable MOBO tray of the Thermaltake but its not 100% needed.

Motherboard: I have chosen one board but am still open to suggestions and members thoughts.
1. * ASUS P8Z68-V PRO/GEN3 LGA 1155 Intel Z68
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...


Graphics Card(s): Here I am looking for Best performance and Bang for Buck. I have come up with come combinations.
1. EVGA 015-P3-1580-AR GeForce GTX 580 (Fermi) 1536MB (NOTE) Non SLI at this time...Later
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

2. MSI N570GTX Twin Frozr III PE/OC GeForce GTX 570 (Fermi) 1280MB (NOTE) Non SLI at this time...Later
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

**Memory: EDIT I have changed my RAM to 8 Gb. When doing research on benchmarks and the like there was VERY little benifit in "gaming" to use 16Gb vs 8Gb.
1. G.SKILL Ripjaws Series 8GB (2 x 4GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1600
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Power Supply:
1. CORSAIR Professional Series HX1050 1050W
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Hard Drive: I have no experience with RAID nor have I used more than one Large HD. If I can get help here it would be greatly appricated.

OS: Windows 7 Home Premium 64bit

If any of you have suggestions as far as a Case with good cooling and dust filters I am all ears...or eyes rather. :-)

That's about it I believe. If there are any questions please let me know. Thank you for your time!
November 15, 2011 7:37:02 PM

The G15 is a great keyboard, massive amount of macro buttons can be useful though I never need that many, I'm sure others find more uses for them than I. Also, setting up RSS feeds for the world cup and normally hockey games was in my opinion the coolest feature.

I can also type in the dark now...
November 15, 2011 7:55:50 PM

loans87 said:
The G15 is a great keyboard, massive amount of macro buttons can be useful though I never need that many, I'm sure others find more uses for them than I. Also, setting up RSS feeds for the world cup and normally hockey games was in my opinion the coolest feature.

I can also type in the dark now...



Yes, the G15 has been a great keyboard. I like the gaming profiles, as well as the freedom to set up almost any macro you want. Also its nice to see your CPU loads when your running games.
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November 15, 2011 8:01:38 PM

Memory: Also look at http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168... it's a lower-profile than the GSkill

Mobo: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
Z68 with PCIe 3.0 in 8x/8x SLI/CF

Power Supply: A 1050w PSU will be plenty even for 2x 580. Next generation GPUs will be give much more performance per watt so getting a higher watt PSU isn't necessarily future-proofing.

This will run 2x 580 in SLI with plenty of headroom to OC everything: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
This will run 2x 560 Ti with plenty of headroom to OC everything: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Graphics Cards: 2x 560 Ti will give you the best performance now but you'll have to get new cards later for an upgrade. 1x 580 will handle 1920x1080 well and you can add another in the future easily. 560 Ti has 1GB of VRAM, GTX 580 has 1.5gb of VRAM. 1gb is still mostly good enough at 1080p but some games (ie. BF3) can use as much as 1.5gb, although no real performance hit yet. So basically if you want max performance now go 2x 560 Ti, if you want good performance now and be more future-proof then go with a 580.
November 15, 2011 8:03:17 PM

Motherboard: Keep in mind that the motherboard is just a "docking station" for all the other components in the computer, therefore you do NOT need an expensive motherboard. A motherboard around ~$150-$175 will suffice. Also remember the more money you can save, the better components you can get (such as a better gpu or more RAM or plainly just save the money). The only time you need to buy an expensive motherboard is if you plan to overclock the CPU beyond regular limits (like 5.0GHz). I would recommend something such as this:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
or this:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
Those are Z68 chipset motherboards, although you can perfectly buy the MSI P67A-GD65, which is a p67 chipset MoBo, and have your computer perform well.

Graphics card:
http://www.anandtech.com/bench/Product/305?vs=441
As you can see, the 2 560TI's outperform a single gtx580...HOWEVER, if you do plan to SLI the 580 in the future, it will perform significantly better than 2 560TI's...I would recommend you go with the 580 and SLI it later, but if you don't plan to SLI the 580 ever, then go with the 2 560's.

PSU (powersupply): OVERKILL! 1200W is overkill even for a gtx580 SLI. A 1000W PSU is perfectly sufficient for your needs. You can buy this:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

HDD (RAID): The only 2 RAID configs you need to worry about is RAID 0 and RAID 1
RAID0 is basically using multiple disks (say 2 1TB harddisks) and dividing the files between the 2 HDDs, so say I have 2 files, File1 and File2, File1 might be saved to HDD1 while File2 might be saved to HDD2. Therefore you have 2 disks acting as 1.
RAID1 is basically 2 (or more) HDDs saving the same thing. With the example with File1 and File2: File1 and File2 will be saved to HDD1 and again File1 and File2 will be saved to HDD2, therefore making a copy.
November 15, 2011 8:41:16 PM

gmcizzle said:
Memory: Also look at http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168... it's a lower-profile than the GSkill

Mobo: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
Z68 with PCIe 3.0 in 8x/8x SLI/CF

Power Supply: A 1050w PSU will be plenty even for 2x 580. Next generation GPUs will be give much more performance per watt so getting a higher watt PSU isn't necessarily future-proofing.

This will run 2x 580 in SLI with plenty of headroom to OC everything: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
This will run 2x 560 Ti with plenty of headroom to OC everything: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Graphics Cards: 2x 560 Ti will give you the best performance now but you'll have to get new cards later for an upgrade. 1x 580 will handle 1920x1080 well and you can add another in the future easily. 560 Ti has 1GB of VRAM, GTX 580 has 1.5gb of VRAM. 1gb is still mostly good enough at 1080p but some games (ie. BF3) can use as much as 1.5gb, although no real performance hit yet. So basically if you want max performance now go 2x 560 Ti, if you want good performance now and be more future-proof then go with a 580.



Thank you for the Power Suply and Corsair Memory recomendation! Great memory from the reviews and looks. And its on sale/discount at newegg.com Also, that Power Supply saves me about 100 bones.
November 15, 2011 8:45:47 PM

r0aringdrag0n said:
Motherboard: Keep in mind that the motherboard is just a "docking station" for all the other components in the computer, therefore you do NOT need an expensive motherboard. A motherboard around ~$150-$175 will suffice. Also remember the more money you can save, the better components you can get (such as a better gpu or more RAM or plainly just save the money). The only time you need to buy an expensive motherboard is if you plan to overclock the CPU beyond regular limits (like 5.0GHz). I would recommend something such as this:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
or this:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
Those are Z68 chipset motherboards, although you can perfectly buy the MSI P67A-GD65, which is a p67 chipset MoBo, and have your computer perform well.

Graphics card:
http://www.anandtech.com/bench/Product/305?vs=441
As you can see, the 2 560TI's outperform a single gtx580...HOWEVER, if you do plan to SLI the 580 in the future, it will perform significantly better than 2 560TI's...I would recommend you go with the 580 and SLI it later, but if you don't plan to SLI the 580 ever, then go with the 2 560's.

PSU (powersupply): OVERKILL! 1200W is overkill even for a gtx580 SLI. A 1000W PSU is perfectly sufficient for your needs. You can buy this:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

HDD (RAID): The only 2 RAID configs you need to worry about is RAID 0 and RAID 1
RAID0 is basically using multiple disks (say 2 1TB harddisks) and dividing the files between the 2 HDDs, so say I have 2 files, File1 and File2, File1 might be saved to HDD1 while File2 might be saved to HDD2. Therefore you have 2 disks acting as 1.
RAID1 is basically 2 (or more) HDDs saving the same thing. With the example with File1 and File2: File1 and File2 will be saved to HDD1 and again File1 and File2 will be saved to HDD2, therefore making a copy.



Thank you for your recommendations on the MOBO. I have eliminated most of the "High End" boards. Although, that ASUS Maximus IV has BIOS where you can use your mouse...lol...pretty keen!

I have chosen a smaller Wattage Power Source.

What are your thoughts with useing SSD(s) in conjuction with regular HDD's? Any benifit for gaming? If I am not mistaken, the only bennys would be for load times but zero for actual game play. Correct?
November 15, 2011 9:17:51 PM

Using an SSD for all your apps and HDD for storage is an amazing setup IMO. It allows you to keep your OS/Apps running fast with a lean SSD and it's an easy reformat if you ever need to. Yeah the benefits of an SSD for gaming would basically be in the loading times. Also win7 in general will be much more responsive/faster not to mention faster boot ups and shutdowns.

The BIOS where you can use your mouse is a UEFI, which most of the new high-end boards have.
November 16, 2011 2:24:10 AM

If any of you have suggestions as far as a Case with good cooling and dust filters I am all ears...or eyes rather. :-)
November 16, 2011 2:36:59 AM

Everything looks good especially with all the advice everyone is giving you. I know you said you were FIRM onthe i7 but why so?
November 16, 2011 3:20:10 AM

Emelth said:
Everything looks good especially with all the advice everyone is giving you. I know you said you were FIRM on the i7 but why so?



I have read and read and read "save the $100 and get the i5", however, The I7 2600K is one of the places I got the "Top of the line" item and decided to splurge. Also, the FPS are better I believe; even though they are close.

On this subject: Does anyone have a reference past a standard Benchmark on how the i5 and i7 stack up 100's of hours into a game and after many many mods or DLC? or does that only have to do with the GPU?

I reduced the price of both the MOBO as well as the Power Source giving me the wiggle room to get a better GPU and I fully intend on going SLI x2 if not x3 in the future. For some reason it seemed that the GTX 570 worked much better in SLI for "my" type of PC gaming than the GTX 580 in SLI.

http://www.anandtech.com/bench/Product/308?vs=307

I am going to be using THIS monitor.
November 16, 2011 3:43:11 AM

The i5 and i7 are both quad cores, so in games they will perform very similarly regardless of what game or how many mods. The i7 does have hyperthreading, but no game utilizes more than 4 cores to my knowledge, and hyperthreading can actually decrease performance in games.

If you can get the 580 then get the 580, especially since you may go at 1920x1200 res. Also, the 580 has slightly more VRAM which is a plus, as even 1.5gb is becoming fully utilized in some games.

If you want to save some $$$ on the PSU then get http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168... it's actually more of a 1000w than a 950w which is still plenty for 2x 580 in SLI.
November 16, 2011 9:36:29 AM

All MoBo's with UEFI Bios have mouse control and also the i7 is only worth it if you're not planning to upgrade ur system again in like 4 years.
November 16, 2011 3:29:49 PM

r0aringdrag0n said:
All MoBo's with UEFI Bios have mouse control and also the i7 is only worth it if you're not planning to upgrade ur system again in like 4 years.



True, that is what my plan is; to get a system where the only thing I need/want to do is maybe put in more RAM or another or two GPU's. The last system I built was in 07. Really great rig and ive always been happy with it for gaming...untill Skyrim came out. I can play it but only at the lowest of every single setting. lol And its still really fun! and looks pretty good.
November 16, 2011 3:31:39 PM

Hey there all, wondering if I actually "need" a 1050 Power Supply. I fully intend on getting more GPU's perhaps up to Three. and I think I might take a little longer building this system and wait for really good deals or price drops to get some of the higher end stuff.
November 16, 2011 6:26:00 PM

BrewWarrior said:
Hey there all, wondering if I actually "need" a 1050 Power Supply. I fully intend on getting more GPU's perhaps up to Three. and I think I might take a little longer building this system and wait for really good deals or price drops to get some of the higher end stuff.

If you are SLIing 3 GTX580's i would recommend a 1200W PSU, just to be safe.
http://www.nvidia.com/object/product-geforce-gtx-580-us...
As you can see, each card uses 244W.
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