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November 16, 2011 1:45:40 AM

pproximate Purchase Date: this week, as soon as i get a complete part list

Budget Range: around 1000 to 1200

System Usage from Most to Least Important: some gaming(want to get some new games) watching movies(want to get a blue ray player to watch blue rays, i have 2 asus vs247 monitors), the usual internet and word processing

Parts Not Required: monitors, keyboard, mouse, speakers, ram, already have windows 7 pro 64bit
I already have corsair 16gb xms3 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...]


Preferred Website(s) for Parts: newegg, amazon

Country: (e.g.: India) we need to know where these parts are being assembled

Parts Preferences: by brand or type want to use one of these two cases
Corsair Special Edition White Graphite Series 600T
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

or
Thermaltake Level 10 GT Black
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

leaning towards intel i7. want this computer to last for a while so i figured an i7 would be better and i possibly want to look into overclocking.


also not sure if i should just use a regular fan cooler for the cpu or go for the corsair h60
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
Overclocking: maybe

SLI or Crossfire: maybe

Monitor Resolution:2 monitors at 1920x1080

Additional Comments: want something that will keep up with the standard for a couple of years. dont need a top of the line graphics card, just something to handle the blueray and games. want this to be a moderate build, not an extreme gaming rig.
This is my first build so im not too sure about which processor and motherboard to use, thats my main concern.

Thanks, iappreciate your help
November 16, 2011 2:42:24 AM

how come nobody is answering my post?
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November 16, 2011 2:50:10 AM

hopefulhype said:
how come nobody is answering my post?


Just be patience and give it some time...
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November 16, 2011 3:34:08 AM

CPU: i7-2500K $215
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
MB: GIGABYTE GA-Z68XP-UD3 LGA 1155 Intel Z68 $150
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
CPU Cooler: Good:
COOLER MASTER Hyper 212 Plus $26
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
or Great:
Scythe SCMG-3000 CPU Cooler $50
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
GPU: GeForce GTX 560 Ti $215
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
SSD: Crucial M4 2.5" 64GB SATA III MLC $115
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
HDD: SAMSUNG Spinpoint F3 1TB 7200 RPM $160
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
ODD: SAMSUNG Black SATA Internal Blu-ray Combo $60
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
PSU: If future Crossfire or SLI:
CORSAIR Enthusiast Series TX750 V2 750W $90
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
or
If no future Crossfire or SLI:
CORSAIR Enthusiast Series TX650 V2 650W $75
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
Case: Corsair Special Edition White Graphite Series 600T $170
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Total: $1186-$1225

I have the i5 instead of the i7 because you probably dont need the hyperthreading, even if you want this to last a long time. Ivy bridge, the next intel cpu only has 4 cores, and it was just released that haswell, intels cpu after Ivy Bridge, will also only have max 4 cores, so thats 2 future generations, I think you will be good.
The CPU Coolers listed are good, there might be better, check out frostytech charts. If you are not going to be a serious overclocker(maxing it out/Prime95 and so on...just looking for like 4.0GHz), you don't need but like a $50 cooler at most. I wouldn't get a Corsair H60/H80/H100 because they are over priced compared to big air coolers ~$80 that can do better then them...plus then you dont have to worry about leaks, keeping water in it, and all of that.
Also, I have a 1TB HDD, but with the price of HDDs right now, I would get 500GB at $90 until 1TB come down to like ~$80.

That should get a decent start for others to modify and get you the best thing...

Added PSU and fixed other parts...
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November 16, 2011 3:39:39 AM

hopefulhype said:
fixed


thanks!
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November 16, 2011 3:48:13 AM

AHH dang I forgot the PSU...no wonder why it was a nice pc for so little...my bad...
In all honestly, I would get like $100 case and a PSU for like $80 or less. If you want to do SLI or Crossfire in the future, get a 750watt psu. If not then get 550watt.
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November 16, 2011 4:20:11 AM

Delirious788 said:
CPU: i7-2500K $215
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
MB: GIGABYTE GA-Z68XP-UD3P LGA 1155 Intel Z68 $170
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
CPU Cooler: *Thermaltake Frio $53
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
or
**COOLER MASTER Hyper 212 EVO $35
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
GPU: *Radeon HD 6870 $170
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
or
**GeForce GTX 560 Ti $215
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
SSD: Crucial M4 CT128M4SSD2 2.5" 128GB SATA III MLC $210
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
HDD: SAMSUNG Spinpoint F3 1TB 7200 RPM $160
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
ODD: SAMSUNG Black SATA Internal Blu-ray Combo $60
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
Case: Corsair Special Edition White Graphite Series 600T $170
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Total: $1208* or $1235**

I have the i5 instead of the i7 because you probably dont need the hyperthreading, even if you want this to last a long time. Ivy bridge, the next intel cpu only has 4 cores, and it was just released that haswell, intels cpu after Ivy Bridge, will also only have max 4 cores, so thats 2 future generations, I think you will be good.
The CPU Coolers listed are good, there might be better, check out frostytech charts. If you are not going to be a serious overclocker(maxing it out/Prime95 and so on...just looking for like 4.0GHz), you don't need but like a $50 cooler at most. Definitely don't get a Corsair H60/H80/H100 because they are over priced compared to big air coolers ~$80 that can do better then them...plus then you dont have to worry about leaks, keeping water in it, and all of that.
Also, I have a 1TB HDD, but with the price of HDDs right now, I would get 500GB at $90 and then get a CPU cooler around $50 and the GTX 560 Ti

That should get a decent start for others to modify and get you the best thing...


Nice attempt but what you propose is unbalanced in many ways and for many reasons. I will post a build later when i got the time unless you already get help.
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November 16, 2011 4:54:14 AM

vx53c said:
Nice attempt but what you propose is unbalanced in many ways and for many reasons. I will post a build later when i got the time unless you already get help.


Yeah I was thinking I could get a lot more out of it, since he had some stuff but I as remembered I forgot some things, the build isnt going to really work...
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November 16, 2011 7:11:54 AM

Delirious788 said:
Yeah I was thinking I could get a lot more out of it, since he had some stuff but I as remembered I forgot some things, the build isnt going to really work...

Don't get me wrong, i liked your style and sure they will work, it is just that they are not all at the same tier. Devil is in the details.
I will make a build and tell you why i deviate from each of your choices.

Case - Any of these, just personal taste ~ 65$
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
They offer pretty much the same as your choice for a lot less buck allowing that sum to go into the users needs. (Depending on the use of the system)

Mobo - Asrock Z68 Extreme 3 Gen3 - 125$
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
Sadly the mobo scene is totally unbalanced. Asrock offers the best bang for buck without compromising quality or power phases. Gigabyte doesn't futureproof as much as they could (they refuse to make true gen3 boards for the budget range), MSI is so expensive followed with their terrible reputation of DOA boards and uncomfortable layouts, Asus offers top quality for pretty much everything but i only propose their products to people hell bent on OCing close to 5ghz because simply the difference between Asrock z68 e3 gen3 and p8z68v-pro/gen3 (or the vanilla gen3) is close to 100$!

CPU - i5 2500k - 215$
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
The horsepower behind the i7 2600k is unneeded. Only if the user needs intense hyperthreading and crazy video editing should they seek the i7 2600k. For gaming and power usage of the computer the i5 2500k is more than enough and won't start bottlenecking your gpu until some SLI 580s or more.

GPU - Asus 580 - 500$
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
(If you can afford it, anything less might not be adequate for your two monitor setup)

or if you cannot

Gigabyte 570 OC - 345$
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Depending what the user needs the computer for, you give it all the money you saved here taking into consideration variables like monitor resolution and performance of each card. Big cards with small psu's offer the best performance/price off the bat. Bigger PSUs and cards that play everything now and will require a twin in a year or two (always resolution in mind) offer best futureproofing.


RAM - Patriot 2x4gb - 45$
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
Totally low profile memories to accommodate bulky heatsinks. 1.5v if you can help it, or lower. 1.65v is fine too but that is the limit.
If you are not going for unlocked CPU and you won't be using aftermarket cooler, then fine just get whichever profile.

PSU - Antec earthwatts 650watts - 70$
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
Now that you know what kind of power draw our user will have and if they want futureproofing or not, you chose the cheapest credible psu at the needed range.

Cooler - Corsair A70 - 39$
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
Better than the CM 212, more silent with the decelerator diodes while not compromising performance, comes with all you need including awesome thermal paste.

Grand Total: 1059$ without HDD

For HDD try to find a better deal on a local store that might have pre-floods stock prices. Look for WD Caviar Black/Samsung Spinpoint F3/Seagate barracuda 7200.12. Aim for 60$ and the best gb you can get (more than 500gb if you can help it).

Optical drive: Get whatever cheapo that can burn dvds starting at 15$

SSD - I usually propose an ssd of 120-128gb for any build that goes above 1k$.
Because of the 580 and the uniqueness of the 2monitor setup an ssd will throw us off budget. Anyhow:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
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November 16, 2011 12:43:31 PM

vx53c said:
Don't get me wrong, i liked your style and sure they will work, it is just that they are not all at the same tier. Devil is in the details.
I will make a build and tell you why i deviate from each of your choices.

Did you just decide to throw all of his preferences out the door and go with your own because you know all and what is better for him? I am sorry, but you managed to not keep a single thing from his preferences...even said to buy different RAM, something he already has. His RAM was already low profile and at 1.5v, both of your points. Did you even read his first post? And yes his preferred cases are expensive, but IMO the looks of a case are huge personal preferences. I say just give the man what he wants. His choices are fine, and you really can make a solid build with those choices. I'm sorry and I don't want you to think that I'm attacking you, but it seems like you really just put a build together that "fits in the budget" and completely ignored what he wanted. I updated my build before you posted this one, and I think it is still a better fit for him.

Hopefulhype,
You could take the ASRock motherboard and CPU Cooler and swap it out for my new updated build that now includes a PSU to further lower the cost of the total build. I know my build is on the higher end of your budget, but I believe it will set you up with a decent build for your wants that will last you a long time. The only upgrade would be adding in another GTX 560 Ti later down the road, when you need more graphics power.
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November 16, 2011 1:08:59 PM

Ah you are right about the memory, it will do. I missed that part. Keep the ram.
As for the case, sure it's good and for some people it matters. It is a pity to sacrifice money for the case and not put it into horsepower but as you said it is a personal opinion. In the end it is how everybody prefers their computer, eyecandy being on the screen or on the the exterior of the case.
As for the 560ti, he has dual monitor setup. The card will struggle under the load and all this will have been for nothing (or he will be forced to use just one monitor).
I spoke out of pure hardware part and sorry if i offended anybody. Certainly not my intention. Only wanted to help in both cases.
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November 16, 2011 5:52:04 PM

I took both of your posts into consideration and looked into some more parts. This is what ive come up with, let me know what you think about it. i went for a modular power supply mostly for the ability to use what cables i need and not have extras, I want to stick with the corsair for looks(i want this to perform good and look good at the same time), I'm still not sure about what graphics card to get. i want something that performs well and will also look decent, The gtx 580 is a little bit too pricy but looks good. is there something a level down that will still perform well and have some sort of enclosure to make it look good?

This is what i came up with

Case: Corsair Special Edition White Graphite Series 600T
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Processor: Intel Core i5-2500K Sandy Bridge 3.3GHz
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Mobo: ASRock Z68 Extreme3 Gen3 LGA 1155
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

CPU Fan: Thermaltake Frio
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

or
COOLER MASTER Hyper 212 EVO
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

HDD: I think im just going to use a WD 500gb green drive until the prices of hard drives come down

SSD: I forgot i have a Corsair Nova Series 2 that i want to try out
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Ram: The Corsair xm63 16gb that i have

PSU: CORSAIR Professional Series HX650 or if you have a better suggestion for a modular psu
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

ODD: LG Black 12X BD-ROM
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

GPU: Something that has an enclosure and is a little less than the 580
saw an msi 560Ti, is that decent?
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

I calculated a price of $1119.91 if i used the 560Ti so i could probably spend $100 more on a graphics card if needed. i dont really want to go over $1200

Thanks
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November 16, 2011 8:31:34 PM

for 2 monitors the 560ti won't be enough. Your other option is the crossfire 6950 which will require more psu power and will increase your budget significantly. Maybe get better psu and a 6950 and then crossfire it later on? Don't know what to suggest really, i only know that if you plan to use more than one monitor for gaming at the same time then a 560ti won't do.
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November 16, 2011 8:38:11 PM

vx53c said:
for 2 monitors the 560ti won't be enough. Your other option is the crossfire 6950 which will require more psu power and will increase your budget significantly. Maybe get better psu and a 6950 and then crossfire it later on? Don't know what to suggest really, i only know that if you plan to use more than one monitor for gaming at the same time then a 560ti won't do.



i wouldnt necessarily be using both monitors to play a game, I think one monitor to play a game will do just fine
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November 16, 2011 8:57:08 PM

Well then a 6950 will do fine and you will have the option to (if you ever run out of juice) xfire it and get on top of things again. How about that?
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November 16, 2011 10:00:58 PM

vx53c said:
Well then a 6950 will do fine and you will have the option to (if you ever run out of juice) xfire it and get on top of things again. How about that?


which 6950?
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November 17, 2011 4:18:40 AM

any! :D 
well, since you got dual monitor get a 2gb one (the only reason anybody should get a 2gb 6950)
The cheapest credible you can find. Sapphire, Evga, HIS, Gigabyte, powercolor, MSI
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November 17, 2011 4:43:07 PM

vx53c said:
any! :D 
well, since you got dual monitor get a 2gb one (the only reason anybody should get a 2gb 6950)
The cheapest credible you can find. Sapphire, Evga, HIS, Gigabyte, powercolor, MSI


Thanks, I think i might go with an xfx, I have an older one in my current computer now and it handles 2 monitors fine.

What would you recommend if i wanted to go with nvidia instead of amd?
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November 17, 2011 8:05:46 PM

wait, wait...how can you say the 560 Ti wont be enough? I am sorry for disagreeing on like everything you say...

Hopefulhype
If you can afford a 6950 then awesome, but hold on just a little bit.
First, do you plan on gaming using both screens? Personally, I have a HD5770, dual monitors, both 1920x1080, and I get decent fps(I run games in window at 1680x1050), but I don't game on dual because the split of the screens is right in the middle, so it just makes for horrible game play. At least that's what I think. If you are running dual monitors like me, it is for multitasking. You game on the main screen, and have internet, music, movies/videos, or whatever else going on on the other screen. Is this what you were thinking of doing? No?

Now if you were doing 3 screens, well that is a whole different story, the center is actually in the middle of the screen, so you game on all 3. It is best to game on odd number of screens...1,3,5 is what you hear about, not 2 and 4.

I am also sorry I didn't check the post more recently to bring this up sooner.

Your build is looking good.

vx53c, I honestly agree with a lot you are saying, it is just that he wants specific things. The case really is out of budget compared to everything else. Your build is a really rock solid build for the budget.

fyi...1680x1050 in window allows for easy switching to other apps, and the 1050 with a border is the perfect height to fit in 1080.
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November 17, 2011 11:33:05 PM

Delirious788 said:
wait, wait...how can you say the 560 Ti wont be enough? I am sorry for disagreeing on like everything you say...

Hopefulhype
If you can afford a 6950 then awesome, but hold on just a little bit.
First, do you plan on gaming using both screens? Personally, I have a HD5770, dual monitors, both 1920x1080, and I get decent fps(I run games in window at 1680x1050), but I don't game on dual because the split of the screens is right in the middle, so it just makes for horrible game play. At least that's what I think. If you are running dual monitors like me, it is for multitasking. You game on the main screen, and have internet, music, movies/videos, or whatever else going on on the other screen. Is this what you were thinking of doing? No?

Now if you were doing 3 screens, well that is a whole different story, the center is actually in the middle of the screen, so you game on all 3. It is best to game on odd number of screens...1,3,5 is what you hear about, not 2 and 4.

I am also sorry I didn't check the post more recently to bring this up sooner.

Your build is looking good.

vx53c, I honestly agree with a lot you are saying, it is just that he wants specific things. The case really is out of budget compared to everything else. Your build is a really rock solid build for the budget.

fyi...1680x1050 in window allows for easy switching to other apps, and the 1050 with a border is the perfect height to fit in 1080.


so you run games at a lower resolution?
and youre right, the dual monitors is mostly just for multitasking
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November 18, 2011 12:49:31 PM

Yeah, but it isn't for better fps, it is so switching between other programs and the game is a lot easier and quicker, and the 1680x1050 size allows for the full window to fit on the 1920x1080 screen perfectly(in window mode, the monitors still are at 1920x1080, the original setting).

But dont get me wrong. The 560Ti is powerful and might be all you need, but in reality put as much as your budget allows towards the GPU. See how much you have left and are willing to put towards the GPU and check out... http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/fastest-graphics-ca...
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November 28, 2011 4:11:58 PM

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