Sign in with
Sign up | Sign in
Your question

Build advice

Last response: in Systems
Share
November 18, 2011 12:36:33 AM

My last build was 7 years ago. Things have obviously changed a bit, and I'm going Intel this time. I'm looking to put together a performer that might last for 7 more years. I have a handful of questions below.

Here's the parts list of what I have in mind: http://secure.newegg.com/WishList/PublicWishDetail.aspx?WishListNumber=15427091

Approximate Purchase Date: Dec 2011 or Jan 2012

Budget Range: 1100 to 1500 after rebates

System Usage from Most to Least Important: Gaming, Movies, Netflix, light compiling, surfing

Parts Not Required: reusing kvm, keyboard, mouse, drives (might eventually add SSD), monitor is Acer h243h 1920 x 1080 - might buy #2 at same resolution (seems like the right price point)

Preferred Website(s) for Parts: newegg

Country: USA

Parts Preferences: have quite a few HD's, so want a full tower case. replacing a Silverstone Temjin 6 silver full tower, which was gorgeous in it's day, but only 2 fans seems risky with this new build?

Overclocking: Yes

SLI or Crossfire: Maybe

Monitor Resolution: 1920x1080, but might talk myself into bigger and better over the next couple of years

Additional Comments: specific questions about parts are in the wishlist notes (http://secure.newegg.com/WishList/PublicWishDetail.aspx?WishListNumber=15427091), and below, but would also appreciate some warnings or advice, since the market is so different from when I did my last build.

Processor Question 1: Or maybe I should get the i5-2500K and save $95??? Is an integrated memory controller the only real difference? What does that buy me?

Video Question 1: I may start with zero video cards, add one, then add another. Gradually build up. The newegg description says no onboard video, but then there are 2 HDMI ports... So, there really is onboard video, right?

Video Question 2: This isn't on the ASRock website support list, but has anyone had issues wth 2-waying this? Has anyone had proven success with this or two other 6950s of similar price? AT $300, I may start off with just one, then add another...

Video Question 3: Or, for about the same price (2 x $159.99), am I better off getting two of these from the ASRock approved list? ASUS EAH6850 DC/2DIS/1GD5/V2 Radeon HD 6850 1GB 256-bit GDDR5 PCI Express 2.1 x16 HDCP Ready CrossFireX Support Video Card with Eyefinity

Memory Question 1: Is this memory with 1600 cas latency 7 good? Or would 2133(oc) w cas latency 9 be better? (G.SKILL Ripjaws Z Series 16GB (4 x 4GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 2133 (PC3 17000) Desktop Memory Model F3-17000CL9Q-16GBZH for $179.99)

Memory Question 2: If I choose frequency over latency, and take the Ripjaws Z, that's also not on the ASRock website support list. Has anyone had this work OK?

Thanks in advance for any answers, pointers, thumbs ups, "that combo worked for me," and other comments.

More about : build advice

November 18, 2011 12:52:19 AM

Dont' get those parts those are pretty overkill.

Get an i5-2500k.

Google it i5-2500k vs i7-2600k. You will see that there is no difference in gaming and in what you plan to do with your computer.

Get this Asrock Z68 Extreme4 Gen3. <<--- Great Overclocker and great value. This can get to 5GHZ if you know what you're doing. Don't get your motherboard it is too expensive and you won't be needing that.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Get this G.skill Ripjaws 8gb ram < don't waste too much on ram since you won't notice the difference.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Why are you going to get that very expensive video card. Get this instead.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Don't get a HAF X. It is not a very great case for that price. Get this HAF 932. Better at price/performance.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Dont get coolermaster psu. They are crap even though their cases are great. Get this Corsair TX750 << No problems in SLI 6950.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

No worries about it being nonmodular since the HAF 932 has cable management on the back.
November 18, 2011 1:16:35 AM

Not bad recommendations.

5 GHz? Maybe. Don't want to raise false hopes, but only about 10% of the i5-K's will run reliably at 5.0 GHz.

RAM speed? Intel CPU's are remarkably insensitive to higher speed RAM. DDR3-1600 is more than good enough.

The HAF 900 series cases have plenty of room behind the motherboard tray to hide any unused power cables so the TX750V2 is a great choice.
Related resources
November 18, 2011 1:22:36 AM

Alright, so that knocks it down $450ish. Here's the resulting list: http://secure.newegg.com/WishList/PublicWishDetail.aspx?WishListNumber=15447091

Thanks a bunch!

Hmm. So here's what's left on my mind:

- This motherboard also says "Onboard Video: None" but then lists out video ports. Will it work for me for basic video if I wait a few months for the first card?

- 1 6950 beats out 2 6850s?

- How much should I worry about buying graphics or memory that's not specifically on the ASRock support list?
November 18, 2011 1:48:26 AM
November 18, 2011 2:01:57 AM

You still got some extra money I would use it to up the GPU to a GTX 570 or 6970
November 18, 2011 2:05:49 AM

jsc said:
Not bad recommendations.

5 GHz? Maybe. Don't want to raise false hopes, but only about 10% of the i5-K's will run reliably at 5.0 GHz.

RAM speed? Intel CPU's are remarkably insensitive to higher speed RAM. DDR3-1600 is more than good enough.

The HAF 900 series cases have plenty of room behind the motherboard tray to hide any unused power cables so the TX750V2 is a great choice.


Not really raising false hope but I have seen some at overclock.net having reaching 5ghz, the only problem was it was above average hot.
November 18, 2011 2:10:39 AM

wiles said:
Alright, so that knocks it down $450ish. Here's the resulting list: http://secure.newegg.com/WishList/PublicWishDetail.aspx?WishListNumber=15447091

Thanks a bunch!

Hmm. So here's what's left on my mind:

- This motherboard also says "Onboard Video: None" but then lists out video ports. Will it work for me for basic video if I wait a few months for the first card?

- 1 6950 beats out 2 6850s?

- How much should I worry about buying graphics or memory that's not specifically on the ASRock support list?


Don't worry with the onboard video. Its on the CPU not the motherboard. You need the z68 motherboard to use it. :D 

Always get a single better card than crossfiring two weaker cards.

don't worry about the ram. It's been used by a lot of people and they don't have a problem. My guess is that Asrock doesn't update their support list.

How much overclocking do you plan to do? A hyper 212 evo can be a better choice depending on your OC. It's also only $35 but comes with a really cooling system.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
November 18, 2011 2:24:01 AM
November 18, 2011 2:32:51 AM

cutebeans said:
Don't worry with the onboard video. Its on the CPU not the motherboard. You need the z68 motherboard to use it. :D 

Always get a single better card than crossfiring two weaker cards.

don't worry about the ram. It's been used by a lot of people and they don't have a problem. My guess is that Asrock doesn't update their support list.

How much overclocking do you plan to do? A hyper 212 evo can be a better choice depending on your OC. It's also only $35 but comes with a really cooling system.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...


video there, 6950, ram good. Cool thanks!

I'll probably be conservative with overclocking -- ease it up very slowly. So the Hyper 212 Evo might be better than the Noctua in that case? Quite a bit cheaper, too.

Awesome advice. Thanks all!

Let's hope there are no more natural disasters before I pull the trigger on this purchase. :-/
November 18, 2011 2:40:38 AM

Hyper 212 will do great for its price I cant find much others that can beat it, but then again its hard to compare heatsinks without seeing it for yourself
November 18, 2011 3:11:07 AM

wiles said:
OK, interesting alternatives. Thanks! Tons of bays in that case....

Do you know from experience that the extended ATX mobo fits OK in that case? How about that sink fitting over the memory?

This case should be fine :D ...
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
unless you want a crazier one lol...
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

BTW, I'd get the first link because I would save $90 lol...
Regular price
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
Saving
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
November 18, 2011 9:43:01 AM

legendkiller said:
This case should be fine :D ...
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
unless you want a crazier one lol...
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

BTW, I'd get the first link because I would save $90 lol...
Regular price
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
Saving
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...


Ok, you're talking me back up in price, and I don't need that sort of bad influence in my life... :non: 

But yeah, that ASUS MAXIMUS IV EXTREME looks pretty interesting for overclocking fun. What's another $125 on a build I'll keep for 6 or 7 years? eh?

But then I'd need a different, bigger case, and P67 means I'd have to go with the GPU right away... I'm back up to $1300ish.

Now I've got to stop and contemplate this for a few weeks, hopefully without talking myself back up to the $2000 range. :) 

Thanks!
November 20, 2011 10:59:57 AM

I figure this might be fun for the crowd of build enthusiasts on this site to see. Like an archeological dig. I still have the invoices. Here's the $1145.93 build from 6.5 years ago.

gameve.com 3/14/05 $843:

MB-MSI-074 MSI K8N NEO4 Platinum/SLI $175 *RIP*
MMN-COR-002 Cor 1GB Twinx1024-3200C2PT $188
CS-STONE-011 (silver) Silverstone SST-TJ06 Case $130
PS-ENERMAX-535A Enermax 535W SLI PFC P.S. $109
DVDRW-NEC-023 (silver) NEC 16X DVDRW 3520 $63
VC-MSI-0074 PCI-E MSI 6600GT 128MB $178 *RIP*

ewiz.com 3/14/05 $302.93:

A6430000939 Athlon64 3000+ 939 pin $138.02
FAN-A1744 TT Venus 12 k8, opteron, A64, 754 $23.43
FAN-AS5-3G Arctic Silver-5 Thermal Compound $2.95
HD-ST250BS Seagate 3250823AS 250G/SATA $138.53

Grand Total: $1145.93

How it died: Not sure which melted down first, but the fan on the video card and the fan over the north bridge NVIDIA nForce4 CK8-04 SLI chip are both melted onto the chips. All the other fans in the case seem to be working fine, so I'm assuming one of the above fans failed, leading to a chain reaction meltdown. I'm thinking about buying an old 939 mobo for $30 - $50 bucks to throw the RAM and CPU on -- make it a PC for the wife or kids.

So, with existing hardware recovered from that meltdown, for the build I'm planning further up this thread, I could potentially do my buy in 3 steps: 1) mobo, ram, cpu, fan $500ish 2) Case, PSU $300ish 3) GPU $240

The original PSU was a pretty high quality PSU in it's time. But am I being silly to risk running a new mobo on it? Do they degrade over time? Is it possible or likely the GPU meltdown was caused by the PSU? Is there a way to test it?
November 20, 2011 2:14:22 PM

NOTE: Get 2GB of VRAM at least if your monitor resolution is 1920x1080 and higher...
November 25, 2011 11:40:08 AM

Yeah, 1920x1080 monitor. So, in about the same price range, I see three options.

This fellow here is recommending Nvidia over Radeon. http://www.hardware-revolution.com/mainstream-gaming-pc-v301-updated-hard-drives/#MHESFFGPC For this price range, what do you think? I'm keeping the Hawk as an option because it looks like core clock, shader clock, and memory clock are all faster than the Twin Frozr.... but less RAM.... is it the same hardware, but just overclocked at the factory?


$270 2GB - HIS IceQ X Turbo H695QNT2G2M Radeon HD 6950 2GB 256-bit GDDR5 PCI Express 2.1 x16 HDCP Ready CrossFireX Support Video Card with Eyefinity http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814161372

$270 2GB - MSI N560GTX-Ti Twin Frozr II 2GD5/OC GeForce GTX 560 Ti (Fermi) 2GB 256-bit GDDR5 PCI Express 2.0 x16 HDCP Ready SLI Support Video Card http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814127608

$240 1GB - MSI N560GTX-Ti Hawk GeForce GTX 560 Ti (Fermi) 1GB 256-bit GDDR5 PCI Express 2.0 x16 HDCP Ready SLI Support Video Card http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814127578

!