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HD 5870 for Battlefield 3?

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September 22, 2011 3:19:20 PM

Hey tomshardware, this is my first post here but have been getting info from you guys for quite a while. I'm very intereseted in pushing some serious graphics for Battlefield 3. My system spec if as follows

intel i5 750 @ 3.2GHz
4Gb of G.Skill DDR3
750W Ultra PSU
EVGA P55 SLI Mobo
XFX HD 5870 stock

I saw the system requirements for battlefield 3 that contain a 6950 as the recommended specs. There has been a lot of speculation as to what "recommended" actually means. Some say max and some say medium. I also have seen benchmarks of BFBC2 that has the 5870 on average 7 fps higher than the 6950 and the 5870 maxing out the alpha.... but its the alpha. So just some speculation as to where the 5870 stands in terms of this game? Much appreciated

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September 22, 2011 3:44:11 PM

Thanks for the quick response! Yeah i concur with the 1080p on high which is what im looking for. But how do the settings go do we think? medium, high, very high, ultra? or what? And then yeah i was considering the 1gb limit as a possibility of a bottleneck. What are your opinions on selling the 5870 for like 200 and picking up some crossfire 6850s for 300? My only hesitation there is the cards are still only 1gb but there are benchmarks of those things beating out a 580!
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September 22, 2011 3:46:39 PM

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go for a gtx 570 or 6950 minimum.


I've seen BFBC2 benchmarks that show the 5870 beating the 6950 by 7 frames, so im not entirely convinced that would be an upgrade
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September 22, 2011 3:49:30 PM

I definitely see your point there. So you would consider the VRAM over anything else and pick a 6950 over a pair of 6850s in crossfire? Because they are roughly in the same price range
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September 22, 2011 3:54:46 PM

Yeah i meant 6850 crossfire even though any type of multi-GPU setup has its problems so that is obviously a concern regardless of which cards but yeah if money was no option I would have a 580 on the way but its a good 150 more than a pair of 6850s. Im looking to stay in a sub 300 price range
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September 22, 2011 4:01:29 PM

Ok i have just seen benchmarks of the 68xx crossfire and its impressive but idk how stable it is. I wouldnt want to go with the 570 because it still has that 1Gb of RAM.... but the 6970 would definitely be an option. A little steep but could be worth it :p  you think that will pretty much max BF3?
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September 22, 2011 4:04:20 PM

krgmer6910 said:
Hey tomshardware, this is my first post here but have been getting info from you guys for quite a while. I'm very intereseted in pushing some serious graphics for Battlefield 3. My system spec if as follows

intel i5 750 @ 3.2GHz
4Gb of G.Skill DDR3
750W Ultra PSU
EVGA P55 SLI Mobo
XFX HD 5870 stock

I saw the system requirements for battlefield 3 that contain a 6950 as the recommended specs. There has been a lot of speculation as to what "recommended" actually means. Some say max and some say medium. I also have seen benchmarks of BFBC2 that has the 5870 on average 7 fps higher than the 6950 and the 5870 maxing out the alpha.... but its the alpha. So just some speculation as to where the 5870 stands in terms of this game? Much appreciated



Howdy, I'll turn you onto a site which I recently was shown too... Now I don't know exactly how accurate this is = but it hasn't failed me so far. Warning, it does require an active x installment to work :pt1cable: 

http://www.systemrequirementslab.com/CYRI/intro.aspx

nirvananow
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September 22, 2011 4:04:50 PM

Haha ok I didn't know that we were thinking of just a 300Mb increase vs. 1Gb.. but what do you mean beta? Beta doesnt release until Tuesday. Do you mean alpha? But ok it looks like the 570 is the primary choice then
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September 22, 2011 4:06:47 PM

Upgrading to a 6950/570 would be a huge waste
I suggest you hold onto your 5870 play it for a week
remember this game will be playable on a xbox/ps3
5870 is far from being obsolete 1600 shaders bro
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September 22, 2011 4:07:50 PM

krgmer6910 said:
Hey tomshardware, this is my first post here but have been getting info from you guys for quite a while. I'm very intereseted in pushing some serious graphics for Battlefield 3. My system spec if as follows

intel i5 750 @ 3.2GHz
4Gb of G.Skill DDR3
750W Ultra PSU
EVGA P55 SLI Mobo
XFX HD 5870 stock

I saw the system requirements for battlefield 3 that contain a 6950 as the recommended specs. There has been a lot of speculation as to what "recommended" actually means. Some say max and some say medium. I also have seen benchmarks of BFBC2 that has the 5870 on average 7 fps higher than the 6950 and the 5870 maxing out the alpha.... but its the alpha. So just some speculation as to where the 5870 stands in terms of this game? Much appreciated



Oops, sorry, that was assuming you had the sys. all set up..
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September 22, 2011 4:10:51 PM

nirvananow said:
Howdy, I'll turn you onto a site which I recently was shown too... Now I don't know exactly how accurate this is = but it hasn't failed me so far. Warning, it does require an active x installment to work :pt1cable: 

http://www.systemrequirementslab.com/CYRI/intro.aspx

nirvananow


Hey there i will definitely give that a try when i get home considering im on my netbook now and im pretty sure that I would not be able to run it here... hahaha
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September 22, 2011 4:11:41 PM

krgmer6910 said:
Hey tomshardware, this is my first post here but have been getting info from you guys for quite a while. I'm very intereseted in pushing some serious graphics for Battlefield 3. My system spec if as follows

intel i5 750 @ 3.2GHz
4Gb of G.Skill DDR3
750W Ultra PSU
EVGA P55 SLI Mobo
XFX HD 5870 stock

I saw the system requirements for battlefield 3 that contain a 6950 as the recommended specs. There has been a lot of speculation as to what "recommended" actually means. Some say max and some say medium. I also have seen benchmarks of BFBC2 that has the 5870 on average 7 fps higher than the 6950 and the 5870 maxing out the alpha.... but its the alpha. So just some speculation as to where the 5870 stands in terms of this game? Much appreciated


Hey Krgmer6910,

Where did you see these benchmarks? The 6950 is essentially the new version of the 5870 with more VRAM in it. I have never seen a benchmark where the 6950 loses to the 5870.
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September 22, 2011 4:12:58 PM

spentshells said:
Upgrading to a 6950/570 would be a huge waste
I suggest you hold onto your 5870 play it for a week
remember this game will be playable on a xbox/ps3
5870 is far from being obsolete 1600 shaders bro


Not a chance that i will be playing this game on console before PC lol :p  no offense its just my preference but yeah part of me really thinks that the 5870 will still do very well with his game but obviously the anticipation is killing me lol
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September 22, 2011 4:19:24 PM

shane799 said:
Hey Krgmer6910,

Where did you see these benchmarks? The 6950 is essentially the new version of the 5870 with more VRAM in it. I have never seen a benchmark where the 6950 loses to the 5870.



It is pretty easy to find what you claim not to have ever seen

http://www.hardwareheaven.com/reviews/1085/pg8/gtx-570-...

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September 22, 2011 4:31:47 PM

I'd like to see a 5870 beat my sc570!!!!! ,I think any mid grade card gonna have problems running bf3 on any kind of high settings just my opinion but i bet I'm not far off.And whats playable ? 25-30 fps no way i want at least 60.
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September 22, 2011 4:38:51 PM

The 5870 is generally on par with the 6950 especially at resolutions 1080p or lower. Replacing a 5870 with a single 6950 isn't going to show much performance difference at all. In some cases you will get lower frame rates with the 6950.

For that game the 5870 will do very well at 1080p. It is a very powerful chip.

BUT: I wouldn't bother crossfiring two 5870s - they scale very poorly. Crossfiring two 6950s is pretty awesome if you can stand the annoyances of crossfire.
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September 22, 2011 4:39:12 PM

No i am definitely looking for what i can run at 60 fps. I have a link saved on my desktop that shows the 5870 running the Alpha at 61 fps average maxed out but they requirements have been beefed up since then considering it was just an alpha...
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September 22, 2011 4:42:14 PM

larkspur said:
The 5870 is generally on par with the 6950 especially at resolutions 1080p or lower. Replacing a 5870 with a single 6950 isn't going to show much performance difference at all. In some cases you will get lower frame rates with the 6950.

For that game the 5870 will do very well at 1080p. It is a very powerful chip.

BUT: I wouldn't bother crossfiring two 5870s - they scale very poorly. Crossfiring two 6950s is pretty awesome if you can stand the annoyances of crossfire.



Yeah i agree 100% here. The only variable is if the game uses the 2 Gb of memory that the 6950 has to its advantage but i guess only time will tell... :( 
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September 22, 2011 5:06:55 PM

I have a 5870 but not going to upgrade until the 7xxx series come out, don't think its worth getting a 6970 or 570 for a few extra frames when a new generation is around the corner.
Just oc the 5870 and wait :) 
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September 22, 2011 5:27:11 PM

krgmer6910 said:
Yeah i agree 100% here. The only variable is if the game uses the 2 Gb of memory that the 6950 has to its advantage but i guess only time will tell... :( 


If you game above 1080p then yes the 6950 has the advantage with more vram and you'll definitely notice it. I share your concern about the vram but I'm thinking @1080p BF3 won't quite be bottlenecked by the 5870's 1gb. I'd either go all out with a 580 (or dual 6950s) or wait and see your individual results with your 5870. Someone called it 'mid-grade'. Haha, how quickly we forget. That was the fastest single GPU card for a good long while. It took the hot-n-noisy 480 to finally unseat it. I'm just glad NVIDIA finally got their act together with the 5xx series.
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September 22, 2011 5:40:48 PM

Yeah i think waiting with the 5870 is probably the way to go.. I am planning on going eyefinity down the road (just one more monitor! lol) but that won't be for awhile and that is just going to take some unGodly hardware to run at max lol but hopefully the 5870 will still kick the crap out of this game. Would love to see a 2 year old graphics card still competing with whats out today
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September 22, 2011 5:42:39 PM

johnners2981 said:
I have a 5870 but not going to upgrade until the 7xxx series come out, don't think its worth getting a 6970 or 570 for a few extra frames when a new generation is around the corner.
Just oc the 5870 and wait :) 


Any suggestions on a stable clock? lol
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September 22, 2011 5:57:13 PM

larkspur said:
The 5870 is generally on par with the 6950 especially at resolutions 1080p or lower. Replacing a 5870 with a single 6950 isn't going to show much performance difference at all. In some cases you will get lower frame rates with the 6950.

For that game the 5870 will do very well at 1080p. It is a very powerful chip.

BUT: I wouldn't bother crossfiring two 5870s - they scale very poorly. Crossfiring two 6950s is pretty awesome if you can stand the annoyances of crossfire.


I do agree the 6950s scale n9icely
saying the 5870 CF is a waste is increadibly silly
5970 anyone ? I agree though (I might rather have a big NV card)
although impossible to find in comparrison I do beleive a MSI 5870 Lightning could stand with the 570 oc mentioned above (clearly I believe this it doesnt make it true but there were some massive gains OCING that card)
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September 22, 2011 5:57:42 PM

krgmer6910 said:
Any suggestions on a stable clock? lol


not using my pc at the min but I think I have the core clock at 925 forget what the memory is clocked at. I didn't try push it too far but still got a boost in frames.
Just monitor the temps and if you get artifacts you've gone too far.
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September 22, 2011 5:59:02 PM

krgmer6910 said:
Yeah i think waiting with the 5870 is probably the way to go.. I am planning on going eyefinity down the road (just one more monitor! lol) but that won't be for awhile and that is just going to take some unGodly hardware to run at max lol but hopefully the 5870 will still kick the crap out of this game. Would love to see a 2 year old graphics card still competing with whats out today


If you want eyefinity or the nvidia equivalent go for 2 x 6950 or 2 x 570. I get by great with a single 6970 @ 4800x1200 but certainly can't max out all settings (except on WoW) which is what you seem to want. Since you are waiting on your monitor anyway, just wait and see what the next generation has in store for us.
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September 22, 2011 6:13:13 PM

Yeah i think im gonna see how the 7xxx series turn out before i even consider eyefinity. I will start overclocking the card and see what i can get out of it. I will post the results once its finished
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September 22, 2011 6:18:31 PM

I have zero issues with my 6950 and when I played the BF3 Alpha, or even my GTX470. That's Alpha though. Nobody has a clue when it comes to 4 Jets, Crapload of Tanks and 64 players.
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September 22, 2011 7:04:03 PM

Yeah i know i could have maxed out the alpha if i had it but unfortunately the beta wont even let us judge what 4 jets, tanks, and 64 players will do :(  but at least we get to play it early!! lol
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September 22, 2011 7:25:35 PM

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6870 crossfire has some big problems with microstuttering although they will pounce all over a 6950 it is the worst option imo.
the gtx 580 is the card to get for raw power and memory bandwidth.

Not sure what is up with people saying 6870 xfire sucks lately, I've had my setup for nearly a year now and have seen 0 microstuttering. I ripped through bf3 alpha with over 100fps with max details. It could be true that some people have the issue, but no one even know where it truly comes from and the gpu seems to get blamed first, even though just by changing ram and other various parts, some people have seen it go away. Perhaps it could even be their platform limiting the x-fire/sli setup. I also have built systems for my friends, all on the 1155 platform, ranging from 6870 to 6970 xfire, to sli 560ti, and they never told me about any issues with microstuttering, and I even specifically asked them to look out for it. In my experience, it's been one hell of a blast tearing every game apart with insane ludicrous fps. I still would, and do recommend xfire 6870/6950/560ti over any single card, because I have never seen any issues.
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September 22, 2011 8:05:04 PM

spentshells said:
It is pretty easy to find what you claim not to have ever seen

http://www.hardwareheaven.com/reviews/1085/pg8/gtx-570-...

Not wanting to start a war on the issue, but the 5870 and the 6950 were dead even on almost every one of those, with the 6950 blowing away the 5870 on 3Dmark.

And don't forget those those were pre-launch drivers thery were using for the 6950 on that comparison, with year and a half old drivers on the 5870.
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September 22, 2011 8:22:12 PM

True that shane but you did see it right ? Crysis ect ?
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September 22, 2011 8:28:14 PM

Yeah idk man but the benchmarks in BFBC2 show them dead even and thats the game that most resembles what we're trying to model so im pretty much basing my decision off of those benchmarks. And the 6950 does not provide a significant improvement over the 5870 to consider it as an upgrade option. Unless BF3 manages to use 2Gb of VRAM at 1080p... lol

And as far as the crossfire goes, Im glad to hear some positive things about it! lol because the benchmarks on both the 6850s and the 6870s are downright impressive. So if the 7xxx series is a bust ill probably go with 6870 2Gb in crossfire
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September 22, 2011 8:36:40 PM

aznguy0028 said:
Not sure what is up with people saying 6870 xfire sucks lately, I've had my setup for nearly a year now and have seen 0 microstuttering. I ripped through bf3 alpha with over 100fps with max details. It could be true that some people have the issue, but no one even know where it truly comes from and the gpu seems to get blamed first, even though just by changing ram and other various parts, some people have seen it go away. Perhaps it could even be their platform limiting the x-fire/sli setup. I also have built systems for my friends, all on the 1155 platform, ranging from 6870 to 6970 xfire, to sli 560ti, and they never told me about any issues with microstuttering, and I even specifically asked them to look out for it. In my experience, it's been one hell of a blast tearing every game apart with insane ludicrous fps. I still would, and do recommend xfire 6870/6950/560ti over any single card, because I have never seen any issues.


I had terrible micro-stuttering in my 6870 crossfire setup which was then confirmed by toms in a recent article so I also confirmed that im not crazy

personally I would touch a mid xfire solution but 560 sli seems to have very minimal micro-stutter comparatively to the 6870s
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September 22, 2011 8:38:51 PM

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6870 cfx has more issues than no issues in most cases.



speaking from personal experience, it is an absolutely horrible solution for $360, Id take a single 6950 or gtx 570 any day over that, microstuttering was unbearable...
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September 22, 2011 8:42:41 PM

It seems that micro issues with CF and even SLI in some cases is more with midrange cards from what Ive read so far but with cards that hold higher min frame rates the issue is less apparent
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September 22, 2011 8:43:22 PM

just upgraded from 5870 to 580 today. one reason is dice tweeted it would take 580's in sli to max out the game.... bf3 is gonna be beast in many different ways!
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September 22, 2011 8:53:47 PM

^ I sure as hell hope not
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September 22, 2011 9:00:48 PM

they didn't mention resolution or aa or hbao, so i figure thats true to max EVERYTHING out. im hoping a single 580 oc'd would do nicely enough
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September 22, 2011 9:02:48 PM

Yeah see I have come across this as well. Some beast of a game! But some enlightening news is that the trailers that have been released have been on medium-high settings... and when they talk about maxed they're talking about 2500x1600 AA and all on ultra. So there's just a lot of grey area there...
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September 22, 2011 9:04:21 PM

Supposedly medium-high sorry that is not confirmed
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September 22, 2011 9:09:44 PM

just thought I might throw this out there: isn't the hd 7xxx series being fitted for PCIe 3.0 w/ xdr2 ram and what about the compatibility or any bottlenecking issues with PCIe2.1 (or 2.0)?
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September 22, 2011 9:11:32 PM

Yes the 7xxxone series is going to be PCI 3 but I have no idea if that will be necessary for BF 3
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September 22, 2011 9:15:28 PM

Yeah I think a 580 should run mostly ultra at 1080p but AA is debatable... but they're making the game future proof so it keeps looking better as more hardware becomes available. Its a smart move considering all you have to to is have a 560 for it to kill the console version and then you can judge the graphical experience you want from there all the way up to insane setups like SLIGHTLY 580s
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September 22, 2011 9:19:16 PM

Best answer selected by krgmer6910.
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September 22, 2011 9:24:57 PM

yeah Id say a single 580 should basically be able to max out everything at 1080p, personally with my gtx 560ti oc'ed to 1 ghz core fully stable and cool I am hoping to be able to play the game on med-high settings at 1080p

from what Ive read though the game will be CPU heavy so in that case my 955 my begin to choke but I would think my graphics subsystem would become insufficient before my CPU would; only time will tell
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September 22, 2011 9:27:57 PM

Yeah im hoping that my i5 750 @ 3.2 should suffice. It gets to like 75%that on BFBC2 but we'll see... lol
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September 22, 2011 9:28:16 PM

sounds like 1 GB of vram may be slightly insufficient we will have to see, again I think my cpu will choke before that becomes a factor be its all speculation at this point :lol: 
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September 22, 2011 9:32:12 PM

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good job my cpu is at 4.8ghz :D 



yeah the more I read about bulldozer, the more I feel that an SB chip is in my near future of upgrades, either that or a 990fX board and a second gtx 560ti for sli---- then a BD cpu later.

In my case, with a barrage of tuition payments money doesnt exactly grow on trees. I will have to choose between the two (990BD/P-67Z-68/I52500k or even IB) eventually since I can't have both... at least not right away anyways :) 
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