1000$ Gaming (Plan to Order Soon)

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889$/ rebates! w/ monitors 1129$! (Originally the old parts were about 1150-1200$ adding it up now not including monitors) How'd I do everyone?
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Updated what changes I've made in the thread so far!

Approximate Purchase Date: I would like to purchase soon, not sure if I will get any deals with Black Friday or Cyber Monday but that would be a plus.

Budget Range: I'd like to stay sub 1000$ but with what I have right now I'm slightly over at 1080$.

System Usage from Most to Least Important: Gaming, Internet Surfing, Movies

Parts Not Required: I'm set on a mouse, monitor, keyboard, and OS. BUT I am interested in finding any deals for a gaming keyboard/mouse and dual monitors. Mainly because I like the idea of browsing while I game AND if possible, I want to purchase a screen I can also use as a television.

Preferred Website(s) for Parts: Using Tigerdirect.com mainly as it seems to have best prices.

Country: United States

Parts Preferences: I have no preference, I'm too new to this to know any better!

Overclocking: Yes

SLI or Crossfire: Uhm....

Monitor Resolution: Like to have a highest resolution possible.

Additional Comments: No other concerns really, would like to stay SUB 1000$ not including accessories like a keyboard, mouse, monitor. I also want to be able to play games at high and ultra settings for once.


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This is what I decided on using a few templates I saw and trying to match prices etc.


149.99$ (after rebate) = G452-0144 ::GIGABYTE GA-Z68X-UD3H-B3 Intel Z68 Motherboard - ATX, Socket H2 (LGA 1155), Intel Z68 Chipset, 2133MHz DDR3, SATA 6.0 Gb/s, RAID, 7.1-CH Audio, Gigabit LAN, SuperSpeed USB 3.0, CrossFireX/SLI Ready(3.2 lbs)
http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=353599&sku=G452-0144

[strike]I69-0003 ::Intel Core i5-2500K 3.30GHz Quad-Core Unlocked CPU and Free Intel Blacklight Retribution Promo T-Shirt and Free Intel Blacklight Retribution Code Card Bundle(2.6 lbs) (that extra stuff doesn't concern me..but it seemed cheaper and had them included than the same product without at 229$ ((I think))
http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=1378560&sku=I69-0003[/strike]
189.99$ = (bundle deal w/ cooler) Intel Core i5 2500K Quad Core Unlocked Processor LGA1155 3.3GHZ Sandy Bridge 6MB

[strike]M452-0560 ::MSI N560GTX Twin Frozr II/OC GeForce GTX 560 Ti (Fermi) Video Card - 1028MB, GDDR5, Overclocked, PCI-Express 2.0 (x16), Dual DVI, HDMI, DirectX 11, SLI Ready (2.85 lbs)
http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=7171406&sku=M452-0560[/strike]
227$ (after 20$ rebate) = (Batman: Arkham City included w/ promo) MSI GeForce GTX 560 Ti Twin Frozr II OC 880MHZ 1GB GDDR5 Dual DVI Mini-HDMI DX11 PCI-E Video Card

[strike]A406-1094 ::NZXT M59-001BK M59 Gaming Mid Tower Case - ATX, mATX, Baby AT, Black(16.75 lbs)
http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=5222597&sku=A406-1094[/strike]
Thermaltake Armor A60 Gaming Mid-Tower Case
http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/searchtools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=6526241&pagenumber=1&RSort=1&csid=ITD&recordsPerPage=5&body=#ReviewStart&SRCCODE=LINKSHARE&cm_mmc_o=-ddCjC1bELltzywCjC-d2CjCdwwp&AffiliateID=iFudSkud_Rc-EFzgdMwNL0JPTitqmwttJw

[strike]Corsair Enthusiast Series TX750 V2 750-Watt
http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/searchtools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=7195038&pagenumber=1&RSort=1&csid=ITD&recordsPerPage=5&body=MAIN#ReviewStart&SRCCODE=LINKSHARE&cm_mmc_o=-ddCjC1bELltzywCjC-d2CjCdwwp&AffiliateID=iFudSkud_Rc-p7WadrsbIWx6bs2SBrEQRw[/strike]
95$ (after 30$ rebate) = (great upgrade for a cheaper price) XFX Core Edition PRO850W (P1-850S-NLB9) 850W ATX12V / EPS12V SLI Certified CrossFire Ready 80 PLUS BRONZE Certified Active PFC Power Supply

[strike]C19-8024 ::Crucial CT064M4SSD2 m4 2.5" Solid State Drive - 64GB, SATA 6Gb/s (0.25 lbs)
http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=365474&sku=C19-8024[/strike]
180$ (S+H) = Corsair Force 3 CSSD-F120GB3-BK 120 GB Internal Solid State Drive - 2.5" - SATA/600

[strike]C13-2528 ::Corsair CWCH50-1 Hydro H50 CPU Liquid Cooler - 120mm Fan, Copper Cold Plate, Aluminum Radiator, LGA775, LGA1366, LGA1156, AM2/AM3(3.1 lbs)
http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=5267687&sku=C13-2528[/strike]
29.99 = (bundle deal w/ CPU) Coolit Systems Eco CPU Water Cooling System AUTO-REGULATED & Maintenance Free LGA1366/1156/1155/AM3


[strike]Lite-On iHBS212-08 12X Internal Blu-Ray Writer - BD-R SL 12X, BD-R DL 8X, BD-RE SL/DL 2X, DVD±R 16X, DVD-RAM 12X, DVD+RW 8X, DVD-RW 6X, CD-R/RW 48X, LightScribe, Black
http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=6577321&CatId=3636&SRCCODE=LINKSHARE&cm_mmc_o=-ddCjC1bELltzywCjC-d2CjCdwwp&AffiliateID=iFudSkud_Rc-v_bgqW38fHFeF8d0G80OvA[/strike]
Dropped Blu Ray - will install older dvd / cd player/writer to save till better deals

[strike]K24-8833 ::Kingston KHX1600C9D3B1K2/8GX Desktop Memory Kit - 8GB (2x 4GB), PC3-12800, DDR3-1600MHz, 240-pin DIMM, 9-9-9-27 CAS Latency, 1.5V, Non-ECC, Unbuffered, Intel XMP Ready(1 lbs)
http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=894285&sku=K24-8833[/strike]
37$ (got a decent deal on Amazon) Corsair Vengeance 8 GB ( 2 x 4 GB ) DDR3 1600 MHz (PC3 12800) 240-Pin DDR3 Memory Kit for Intel Core i3, i5, i7 and AMD Platforms SDRAM CMZ8GX3M2A1600C9

This is my first time building a decent system other than some old stuff from years ago so I'm hoping everything seems accurate and the best choice.

Also, I added a SSD because I own a 500gig Western Digital Caviar Blue HD. Not sure if it's the greatest thing in the world but just following my logic (if it makes sense). Figured since I'm saving on a a HD why not use the money to buy a cheaper 64g SSD for boot up and my main game. Don't think I missed anything!

Thanks in advance everyone, hope my post was clear and in the guidelines!

PS forgot to mention, not sure if there are deals or anything with Black Friday or Cyber Monday but any upgrades for the same price or what I have cheaper would be amazing! Been saving up for a few years :) No more Dell Optiplex!
 
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RAM: Don't get slower than 1600MHZ Cas Latency 9 RAM. The Kingston stuff linked in your first post is solid--and a steal at $35!

Case...do you want cheap or a good large mid tower? Neither will impact your performance significantly. Here's a great low cost case for $35. It's typically $55: http://slickdeals.net/permadeal/62976/amazon.com-antec-three-hundred-atx-mid-tower-computer-case
Here's a great high-end case for $90. It's typicall $130: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811139009&cm_sp=Cat_Computer_Cases-_-Spotlight-_-11-139-009
Here's another option, but it's not as good as the Corsair above: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811146068
I didn't see any other particularly nice deals...

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Looks pretty good, though you may want to consider a larger SSD, if you intend on playing a lot of different games, as 64GB isn't that much when you're trying to fit in games like BF3, MW3, etc in one go. Just the OS and 1 or 2 games, then 64GB is just about right :)

You may as well upgrade to a Blu-ray reader, just as insurance for the future, as I reckon eventually, Blu-ray will become the norm, and the DVD format will just disperse. Also, don't bother with a sound card; the integrated sound card in the motherboard is good enough, so save some money and put it towards better components.

If you plan on doing SLI in the near future, 600W may not be enough to handle the job - I'd say 750-850 if you plan on it. 600W is good as it is though.
 

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Thanks for the quick response! I was actually worrying a little about the 600W so I may just upgrade to this... it's 750watt. It was my original idea, so I'll take your advice and drop the sound card and use that to pay the difference.

http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/searchtools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=7195038&pagenumber=1&RSort=1&csid=ITD&recordsPerPage=5&body=MAIN#ReviewStart&SRCCODE=LINKSHARE&cm_mmc_o=-ddCjC1bELltzywCjC-d2CjCdwwp&AffiliateID=iFudSkud_Rc-lzk7EBTrKhmdTtms3ETOVw

Appreciate the input on getting a Blu Ray player, I do want this to last me some time so I'll just purchase one now and get it over with. I don't think finding a decent deal on that will be a problem. I had this one suggested to me..
http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=6577321&CatId=3636&SRCCODE=LINKSHARE&cm_mmc_o=-ddCjC1bELltzywCjC-d2CjCdwwp&AffiliateID=iFudSkud_Rc-v_bgqW38fHFeF8d0G80OvA


Also, I suppose I could grab a larger SSD, but it's 209$ and I'll be a bit over budget. If I game off my other HD, will it very noticeable during game play? I can live with slower load times for the most part.
 

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@Cutebeans

yeah I'm going to take Eddie C's advice and drop it as well. Save me some $$$ which I can invest in that improved Power Supply.

Something tells me I'm not getting the best of my money still so gonna be sure to spend the next few days looking for alternatives.
 

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@WasoufG - Question, the product I linked was 209$ (also includes some bonus stuff) while yours was listed at 225$ + shipping. Also, I can overclock mine as well so would my original choice be better?

@Cutebeans - I mainly ask for education purposes, since I still have a very hard time telling the difference between motherboards unless pointed out to me. Am I losing out on anything important for a MB that's 20$ cheaper? Like I won't be kicking myself in the ass for some reason? I personally don't know if things are compatible, but I do know my current set up seemed alright (based on some friends who have set up their own builds).

Also, as far as the case goes? I realized I originally posted the wrong one! So I will add this in now...just in case it's worth upgrading too!

http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/searchtools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=6526241&pagenumber=1&RSort=1&csid=ITD&recordsPerPage=5&body=#ReviewStart&SRCCODE=LINKSHARE&cm_mmc_o=-ddCjC1bELltzywCjC-d2CjCdwwp&AffiliateID=iFudSkud_Rc-38YqbUzAknq.XG4DZSC0Ag

It costs a little more, but not sure if it's something I should be looking at if I plan to upgrade eventually or for whatever reasons I may not know.

Other than that..if it's a no for that case based on what you guys said! Any reason your case listed is better than the original one I posted? I do like the look of my one posted..but if there is a good reason to get yours I'm all ears as usual!

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:EDIT:

I was looking at these monitors! I think they seem to be a great deal (especially for hooking my cable box and consoles up to as well) Let me know what you guys think! I don't think I have too long to buy them! But it's basically right in that 300$ budget.
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B004KCPH8Y/ref=ox_sc_act_title_1?ie=UTF8&m=A2L77EE7U53NWQ


Just an update, I basically found everything OTHER than the main stuff (power supply, motherboard, video card, and processor) at Amazon for cheaper. With tax I'm sitting at about 1100$ now where as I would have been closer to 1200$. This is including the more expensive case

http://****/api/click?format=go&key=984ed3ed6aa9a69986f88d56d10e7616&loc=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.tomshardware.com%2Fforum%2F327275-31-1000-gaming-plan-order-soon&v=1&libid=1321850367971&out=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.tigerdirect.com%2Fapplications%2Fsearchtools%2Fitem-details.asp%3FEdpNo%3D6526241%26pagenumber%3D1%26RSort%3D1%26csid%3DITD%26recordsPerPage%3D5%26body%3D%23ReviewStart%26SRCCODE%3DLINKSHARE%26cm_mmc_o%3D-ddCjC1bELltzywCjC-d2CjCdwwp%26AffiliateID%3DiFudSkud_Rc-38YqbUzAknq.XG4DZSC0Ag&ref=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.tomshardware.com%2Fforum%2Fforum-31-322.html&title=1000%24%20Gaming%20(Plan%20to%20Order%20Soon)&txt=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.tigerdirect.com%2Fapplica%20%5B...%5D%20XG4DZSC0Ag&jsonp=vglnk_jsonp_13218505036783

which I would love to have...(it's sexy! What can I say!) But does place me slightly above my desired payout.

With rebates I'm at about 1085$! That should be shipping...taxes...etc.

Changes also made were a Samsung Blu Ray Player / Writer for less, and I was able to switch back to http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B004CRSM4I/ref=ox_sc_act_title_5?ie=UTF8&m=ATVPDKIKX0DER for the same price as the RAM I had listed. (originally I had these but switched to save money)


One thing I would love feedback on! (because if I can get close to 1000$) is dual screen monitors! I didn't go into much detail..so I will now in hopes of getting some more great feedback!

Basically I want a dual screen set up, I don't need anything huge though. I imagine two 20-25' monitors would suit me just fine. As I stated though, I will be using 1 to watch TV and movies / tv shows which I watch a ton of and also obviously have a game running and browsing on the other. I didn't have any friends to guide me in this aspect to start though. Right now I'm really just browsing for prices..I guess my goal is 300$ for both / LED / 5ms or less.

Is there a donate button to this website / forum by the way! Great feedback that's going to save me money in the long run! So I can give back!
 
No one has discussed one VERY important thing: Do you live near a Micro Center?

Skip the Blu-ray IMO. I don't think they're the future--online/digital only content is the future. You can get one, but don't bother unless it's a good deal. You pretty much don't even need a DVD drive. If you've already got a computer you can use at the moment, just download a Windows 7 iso (it's legal) and use the Windows 7 USB/DVD Download Tool to write it to a USB. You'll find that you never use the DVD drive after that.

Newegg.com has just as good of prices as Tigerdirect.com. Make sure you're signed up for both of their email lists. Ncix.com has good prices too and often has the i5-2500K for $190. I'd start buying parts now if I were you--wherever they're on a particularly good sale. I believe in buying all the parts over the course of two weeks or so and saving a hundred or so over buying at once.

Here's an amazing cooler/CPU combo at NCIX: http://us.ncix.com/products/?sku=60909&vpn=2500K%20%26%20NH%20C12P-SE14&manufacture=Bundle%20Deals&promoid=1190
You don't need water cooling with Sandy Bridge CPUs, so this great CPU cooler will do well.

PSU: Any Antec, Corsair, Seasonic, or XFX will perform admirably. So go with whatever company of those makes the cheapest 750W. It's usually Antec or XFX.
 
N/m that CPU combo. Just buy the CPU by itself at $190: http://us.ncix.com/products/?sku=57962&vpn=BX80623I52500K&manufacture=Intel&promoid=1190

I'd go with the Xigmatek Dark Knigh cooler on Newegg right now since it's $15 after rebate and about even with the Hyper 212+ on performance. Either that or the CoolIT Eco 120mm Water Cooling Unit that NCIX has for $29.99 with this CPU.

EDIT: For the SSD, go with the $166.49 Corsair Force 3 120GB: http://www.buy.com/prod/corsair-force-3-cssd-f120gb3-bk-120-gb-internal-solid-state-drive-2-5/221735123.html

I'd probably go with this XFX PSU merely because it's pretty much the same price for a good 850W: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817207011
 

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Thanks, took your advice and purchased the Corsair Force 3 120GB, in the process of buying the CPU now! If the website would load that is :) (is there any difference by the way? other than a free t-shirt and game or w.e. it is haha, not quite sure why I keep seeing "Sandy")

Dropped the Blu Ray player as well, maybe I'll pick one up if I see a deal as you said. Otherwise...I'll occupy myself with Netflix, Games, and streaming. Thanks for knocking some sense into me!

The cooler your suggesting will be more than enough right? Since I suppose overclocking will be in the near future (and some components come like that already right?) With the money I save buying your suggestion upgrading to the XFX PSU doesn't bother me.

:edit: forgot to mention I'm not exactly near a micro center. I mean...if it was crazy savings I could make a trip...but it would probably be an 1hr drive.
 

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Ordered the CPU and Cooling Unit you suggested for 219$! I would have spent 209+69$= 278$! Nice savings of 59$.

Also I waited on amazon and I got a message that my RAM for 55$ just dropped to 35$! Almost bought 16gigs but I said I don't need it anyway, so 8 for now.

Monitors dropped to 147$ as well I posted earlier which I'll link again for some advice. (free shipping)

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B004KCPH8Y/ref=ox_sc_act_title_2?ie=UTF8&m=A2L77EE7U53NWQ

So far I've spent

219$ (cpu / cooler)
37$ (8gig ram)
180$ (120gig SSD)
$247.20 -20$ rebate = 227$+ Free Batman: Arkam City (Video Card)
125$ - 30$ rebate = 95$ PSU (took your advice! it was actually cheaper w/ rebate by 10$ and it's 100 watt more!)

= 758$

W/ the current motherboard I come to ($912 w/ rebate) not including the case. Gonna try my hardest to stay below 950$ now. Hopefully some new deals come up that will pay to return what I ordered already.

Just need to figure out my case situation still (missed out on a sick deal for the A90 w/ a rebate! Would have been like 50$ /cry)

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B003WOL4W4/ref=ox_sc_act_title_1?ie=UTF8&m=ATVPDKIKX0DER

and see if I can't find a few more deals with the motherboard.



:EDIT: (just purchased the below, still wondering though!)

If anyone can verify, I was going to buy this
http://us.ncix.com/products/?sku=58303&vpn=N560GTX-TI%20Twin%20Frozr%20II%2FOC&manufacture=MSI%2FMicroStar
instead or purchasing it at Tigerdirect. Same price, but they throw in a free copy of Batman: Arkam City. Only difference I could find was one said Overclocked in the title on tigerdirect, this is where specs get confusing for me. Otherwise! Everything literally matched up.
 
RAM: Don't get slower than 1600MHZ Cas Latency 9 RAM. The Kingston stuff linked in your first post is solid--and a steal at $35!

Case...do you want cheap or a good large mid tower? Neither will impact your performance significantly. Here's a great low cost case for $35. It's typically $55: http://slickdeals.net/permadeal/62976/amazon.com-antec-three-hundred-atx-mid-tower-computer-case
Here's a great high-end case for $90. It's typicall $130: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811139009&cm_sp=Cat_Computer_Cases-_-Spotlight-_-11-139-009
Here's another option, but it's not as good as the Corsair above: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811146068
I didn't see any other particularly nice deals.

Monitor: Consider this $120 Samsung 22" LED http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/searchtools/item-Details.asp?EdpNo=975738&sku=S203-2142
I don't know a ton about monitors, so it might not do everything you want it to (I'll let you know if I don't know about a specific part).

CPU/Cooler: NCIX is price-matching Microcenter's $179.99 i5-2500K. So you'll want to call their customer service and see if they'll give you the price match price for your purchase. You might have to cancel and then attempt a price match through their website. Keep in mind that you could alternately get that solid CoolIT Eco water cooler for a good deal at NCIX if they price match: http://slickdeals.net/forums/showthread.php?t=3590744

 
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They fully shipped my CPU already, so I imagine it may be a little late to cancel (stuck with paying a return fee if it's shipped now I believe as well)

Question though. It's 10$ cheaper w/ MC. Now I purchased mine for 189 + the cooler for 29$. Wouldn't I lose out on the cooler deal? It's normally 49$ separate.

Sorry if I'm slightly lost, totally new to this price matching stuff and deals. I hear Micro center drops down to 150$ sometimes to though! So I'll def. just order another one and price compare it.
 

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I'll try not stress it :)

Seems I just missed out on that first case you posted! Deal was expired! I'm def. gonna try and stick with a 50$-75$ case though (or cheaper if it's nice!)

The case and motherboard are what will break my 1000$ budget haha. I'll keep my fingers crossed that a good deal comes up! I don't really understand how I know the case will work with my other items though...(literally don't understand how I know everything will fit)
 
Here's what you need in a case:
1) ATX (most are)
2) Fits a ATX motherboard (as opposed to a mini ATX case that only fits mATX boards)
3) Enough space for a graphics card (look at Newegg reviews. 11" should be enough for most, I'd go for 12".)
4) Bottom mounted PSU (facilitates venting air out the top, which is good because hot air rises.
5) Some decent fans for venting.
 

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Awesome, that will give me plenty of information! Luckily I'm heading to class so I might get a few opinions in person. Your deal is still on Best Buy for 35$ though! So maybe....it's 1-2 week wait but free shipping. Tempting (just not sure if I'm happy keeping that case, which is kind of dumb for a budget build)
 
The case you linked is just fine. But you can find it new for $60, so I'd go with that.

If you'd like to save some money, my friend has a Thermaltake V4 (or is V3, they're almost identical). It's a solid case and one of the cheapest. The manufacturing tolerances aren't at the same level of a $100 case, so you'll have to use a little force to slide things into place sometimes, but it works very well and looks good: $40 http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B003SNJA8O/sr=8-1/qid=1321923873/ref=olp_product_details?ie=UTF8&me=&qid=1321923873&sr=8-1&seller=
Newegg page for more info: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811133179

The case will fit a GTX 470 (I put one in it last weekend). It is a little narrow for some of the taller coolers, but won't have any issues with your cooler.
 

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Thanks for all the advice Dalauder. I think I'm just going to spend the extra few bucks, stop penny pinching since I did a decent job saving already and see if I can't get the original case I was interested in. Same deal with the motherboard. If I don't see any decent price drop in the next week I'll just go ahead and buy it.

ALSO! I hope I did alright here :) 242$ for 2 monitors. This is what I got,

Samsung SyncMaster BX2231 22-inch Widescreen LCD Monitor - 1920 x 1080 - 250

Decent size, it has 2ms response, and it also has 2 HDMI ports each which is great. Resolution seems good, and the reviews I could find said the quality was pretty crisp. Hope I didn't screw myself on this one!
 
That's a good price, but not outrageously low enough to be worried. Samsungs are nearly always good. There's a 50/50 chance the Antec 300 Illusion will go on sale for $55 or less in the next week. Newegg has it on sale regularly. Just keep an eye on their deals emails or slickdeals.net (or somewhere similar).
 

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Thanks for the suggestions! I at least have a great idea of what I'm going to do now (and some wealth of information too!)

Thermaltake A60 is still about 65$ w/ rebate so I may just grab that if I can't find something in the next few days. I take it's still better than the HAF 922 right? For a few $$$ more if it's better I don't mind since I do enjoy the look of it.

Either way I suppose I'll be picking up one or the other as they seem to be the best deal.

Once I buy that all I need to do is pick up my motherboard which is here for 149 w/ rebate. Just making sure that's the best choice again! (and waiting to see if the price may dip...so far I've gotten a deal on everything!)

http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=353599&sku=G452-0144