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November 21, 2011 1:25:27 AM

Hi there, here is the build I'm looking to buy. My budget is 420$.

-Usage: Mostly gaming
(Not a hardcore gamer: WoW, DCU, SF, CA, NFS)

-I already have two graphics card Radeon HD 5670 x2 in crossfireX

-Already have a diablotek 500w PSU, with great reviews 4.7/5 stars

Is this an alright build and are the parts compatible? Also how well will this system run games? Thank you

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ASUS M5A97 Mobo- 100$
http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/ite...

Phenom II X4 955 Black Edition Processor-120$
http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/ite...

Crucial Ballistix 6GB (3x2048MB) 1600Mhz- 30$
http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/ite...

Western Digital 320GB-100$
http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/ite...

Asus Internal DVD Burner-20$
http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/ite...

Apex Vortex3620 Gaming Mid-Tower Case-40$
http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/ite...

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I also plan on buying 120mm x2 fans for OC.
November 21, 2011 1:41:56 AM

All those components should work together. My only suggestion would be to get a at least a 600-700W PSU if you are going to overclock, the 500W is a minimum for a dual 5670 setup.

As for gaming performance, I'd think you'd get in the mid to low 60 fps in WoW at 1920x1080.

Here is a great review you might want to look at: http://www.guru3d.com/article/radeon-hd-5670-review-tes...

Good luck!
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November 21, 2011 1:43:28 AM

The RAM is not. You need a 2 x2 gig kit fir dual channel . 1600 Mhz and 1.5 volt or less

The mb also wont support two cards in crossfire . The pci-e slots run in 16x / 4 x . It might not choke a 5670 much but it will choke it .
This Asrock is the only 970 chipset board that can run in 8x/ 8x mode so its your best budget option
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
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November 21, 2011 1:47:23 AM

singemagique said:
All those components should work together. My only suggestion would be to get a at least a 600-700W PSU if you are going to overclock, the 500W is a minimum for a dual 5670 setup.

As for gaming performance, I'd think you'd get in the mid to low 60 fps in WoW at 1920x1080.

Here is a great review you might want to look at: http://www.guru3d.com/article/radeon-hd-5670-review-tes...

Good luck!



http://www.guru3d.com/article/radeon-hd-5670-review-tes...
Total current draw with 2 5670's in crossfire 285 watts .

This will run easily on a decent 500 watt psu .
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November 21, 2011 1:50:56 AM

Outlander_04 said:
The RAM is not. You need a 2 x2 gig kit fir dual channel . 1600 Mhz and 1.5 volt or less

The mb also wont support two cards in crossfire . The pci-e slots run in 16x / 4 x . It might not choke a 5670 much but it will choke it .
This Asrock is the only 970 chipset board that can run in 8x/ 8x mode so its your best budget option
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...



Good catch on the ram. But I don't see the 4x being a bottleneck for a 5670.

The recommendation for the PSU is because he said he wants to overclock and based on the recommendation in the article:

"Radeon HD 5670 CrossfireX (dual GPUs)

A second card requires you to add another 61 Watts. You need a 500+ Watt power supply unit if you use it in a high-end system. That power supply needs to have (in total accumulated) at least 45 Amps available on the +12 volts rails.
For each card that you add, add another 100 Watts as a safety margin."
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November 21, 2011 2:00:11 AM

I think the quality of the OP's psu is marginal . Its not a brand I would choose .

But go back and read the article you linked and you will see its drawing that 285 watts in a computer running an Over Clocked socket 1366 i7


61 watts on the 12 volt rail is a shade over 5 amps . A single 18 amp rail can run both cards ....no problem

500 watts of quality power is fine
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November 21, 2011 2:02:31 AM

The ram says its triple channel. I thought I knew a few things about ram but now I'm completely lost. I would greatly appreciate it if someone explained to me this dual channel and triple channel. As for ram replacement, is this better?

http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/ite...

rucial Ballistix 4GB PC12800 DDR3 Memory Upgrade - 1600MHz
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November 21, 2011 2:06:58 AM

I prefer Asus motherboards because of all the perks. I'm understanding that the 2 5670 are fine with my selected motherboard? I'm actually going to switch to a better single GPU later in the future (soon). I'm only using the 2 5670's because I received them as gifts. I would have gone with 1 gpu and ignored the 5670's but the rising price of HDDs; I need to balance it out now.
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November 21, 2011 2:12:54 AM

dual channel = two lanes from the cpu to the two ram sticks

triple channel = 3 lanes to 3 sticks of RAM ......... but this only works on processors with a triple channel controller and that means only intel socket 1366 processors and X58 chip sets .

Your processor and mb are dual channel capable .......... you need a dual channel kit
and because you have an FX processor the RAM must run at 1.5 volts or less so that kit is not suitable . Its 1.65 volt

That ASUS board is a good board but the second graphics card slot cant run fast enough for a graphics card .You could use it but you will not get the full benefit of your second graphics card .
Asrock is a company started buy Asus . The quality is good .
If you want to stick with ASUS you need to buy a mb with a 990 chipset . More $
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November 21, 2011 2:22:40 AM

:o  wow, so much I did not know. I'm considering an ASrock now, however I want to stick to one website, so I'll search around Neweeg for now. In the mean time I found this

http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/ite...

1.5v, 1600MHz, dual channel, 2x2048MB, DDr3

By the way, thank you very much for you help!
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November 21, 2011 3:11:43 AM

Here is my new build:

LG DVD Burner- 19$
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Western Digital Caviar Blue 320GB- 95$
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

ASRock 970 EXTREME4- 110$
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Crucial Ballistix sport 4GB (2 x 2GB)-22$
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
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I still need a case and processor, however I can't find a good nice processor.
Can you help me find a good one (gaming) please?

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November 21, 2011 5:10:40 AM

http://www.legitreviews.com/article/1766/

The alternatives are the Phenoms , The 980 is tested here and is the same part as the 955 but overclocked a little at the factory . Remember you can OC the FX 4100 to 4.6 Ghz on the stock cooler too
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November 21, 2011 5:31:04 AM

As I pointed out in one of your other threads, Diablotek makes PSU-shaped objects. Consumer fluff <> competent technical reviews; both jonnyguru and HardwareSecrets have tested a few Diablotek PSUs and found them to be junk. You should not attach one to your computer components if there's any risk that it will be connected to an A/C power source at the same time. On a budget, the Antec Earthwatts and Corsair Builder series of PSUs can usually be found for a good price.
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November 21, 2011 5:41:23 AM

Yes jtt283, I'm currently looking at Crossair builder model.
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November 21, 2011 6:41:16 AM

Alright I've finally come up with

Rosewill Blackbone Black Steel case- 40$
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

HITACHI 500GB- 100$
(Comes with free Sony DVD burner)
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

ASRock 970 EXTREME4- 110$
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

AMD FX-4100 Zambezi 3.6GHz- 119$
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

CORSAIR Vengeance 8GB-------------------
Combo------------------------------------------ 90$
CORSAIR Builder Series 500W-------------
http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?Ite...

How does this look?

A little over my budget but that's fine.
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November 21, 2011 2:25:34 PM

I'm not sure you want the Bulldozer CPU, especially since you'd need to overclock it a LOT to get any performance out of it. For $5 more, the 955BE is a proven performer: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
Actually, with your graphics cards already purchased, it may be worth trying to fit an i3 into your budget, although the 8x,8x requirement for Crossfire may kill that.
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November 21, 2011 2:38:28 PM

I find people spend way too much money on HDDs, and the OP is included. If you're trying to have a budget gamer, why not pay $65 and get a terabyte instead of paying $100 for 320gigs?
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November 21, 2011 2:46:33 PM

RichterFry said:
I find people spend way too much money on HDDs, and the OP is included. If you're trying to have a budget gamer, why not pay $65 and get a terabyte instead of paying $100 for 320gigs?

Ok post a link of a 1tb hdd for $65 and I will gladly swoop it up.
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November 21, 2011 3:11:06 PM

Outlander_04 said:
I think the quality of the OP's psu is marginal . Its not a brand I would choose .

But go back and read the article you linked and you will see its drawing that 285 watts in a computer running an Over Clocked socket 1366 i7


61 watts on the 12 volt rail is a shade over 5 amps . A single 18 amp rail can run both cards ....no problem

500 watts of quality power is fine


Just wanted to add that the original article linked is looking at power drawn from the wall socket. Assuming 80% efficiency (didn't actually check the article), the real power draw to the PSU is around 230W.
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November 21, 2011 3:37:47 PM

zooted said:
Ok post a link of a 1tb hdd for $65 and I will gladly swoop it up.


If he suggests any kind of green drive, kindly ignore his advice since those make bad OS drives. They are slow since they are designed to use less power. For example, my WD Green drives park the heads after a short interval (I think less than 30 seconds) and spin somewhere between 5400-7200RPM (not sure the rate, since each drive is configured differently at the factory).

However, you may be able to find a slightly cheaper drive from bestbuy, but you'd have to check your local store. They have very little stock online. There is a Caviar Blue 320GB for $70.
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November 21, 2011 4:06:12 PM

Hard drive prices really byte these days; hopefully the Thai production facilities will be back online quickly and competition can drive prices back down. I'm really glad I went a little overboard on storage and won't need any drives any time soon.
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November 21, 2011 5:19:12 PM

nordlead said:
Just wanted to add that the original article linked is looking at power drawn from the wall socket. Assuming 80% efficiency (didn't actually check the article), the real power draw to the PSU is around 230W.



Exactly

285 watts at the wall , converted to power the computer is using at 80% efficiency means the computer [ after the PSU ] is only consuming
228 watts
the rest is heat being radiated by the power supply


The diabolotek is not a choice I think the OP should make .
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November 21, 2011 11:19:55 PM

you know the only way you will ever lean this is to look them up yourself then you would know!
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November 22, 2011 12:12:58 AM

Jesus Christ. I feel like an asshole now. I guess the prices of HDD really have skyrocketed, even since September. I accidently ordered 2 HDDs (don't ask, long story), and thank God I did! I picked up 2x1 tb HDD (both 7200 RPM) for about $140 together.

So, who wants to buy a 1 tb HDD? $100? :p 
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November 22, 2011 4:49:18 AM

Someone here mentioned something about trying to get an intel i3, can someone further elaborate that please. Also, I'm switching my PSU to a crossair builder series 500 watts.
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November 22, 2011 9:16:12 AM

Ok here's a quick build. I hope someone can tweak it a little for you (I'm headed to work) to get the price down a little. Still, there's nothing here I would not buy, even if my preferences might be different (e.g. Asus or ASRock for mobos, Rosewill for cases, Seasonic/Antec for PSUs).

GIGABYTE GA-Z68A-D3H-B3 LGA 1155 Intel Z68 HDMI SATA 6Gb/s USB 3.0 ATX Intel Motherboard
Model #:GA-Z68A-D3H-B3
Item #:N82E16813128502
Cheapest mobo I'd consider with x8,x8 slots for Crossfire. You can save $30-$40 if you give that up. For a new build, a single stronger card makes more sense than a pair of relatively weak ones. You already have them though.
$128.99 -$15.00 Instant $113.99

HEC 63RABB Black Steel ATX Mid Tower Computer Case - OEM
Model #:63RABB
Item #:N82E16811121098
Similar to the Rosewill cases I've bought and liked; this one has free shipping, which can add a lot to the price of a case.
$39.99 $39.99

Rosewill Green Series RG630-S12 630W Continuous @40°C,80 PLUS Certified, Single 12V Rail, Active PFC "Compatible with Core ...
Model #:RG630-S12
Item #:N82E16817182200
OMG Rosewill????? Yes, Rosewill. This one was deemed excellent in a competent technical review (including dissection) at HardwareSecrets. Hard to beat for the price; will run any single GPU for when/if you upgrade.
$89.99 -$30.00 Instant $59.99

Intel Core i3-2105 Sandy Bridge 3.1GHz LGA 1155 65W Dual-Core Desktop Processor Intel HD Graphics 3000 BX80623I32105
Model #:BX80623I32105
Item #:N82E16819115090
Has the HD3000, which may be helpful if you ever do any video transcoding (the mobo I chose supports Virtu).
$134.99 $134.99

G.SKILL Value Series 8GB (2 x 4GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1333 (PC3 10666) Desktop Memory Model F3-10666CL9D-8GBNT
Model #:F3-10666CL9D-8GBNT
Item #:N82E16820231424
I've had only good results from G.Skill.
$39.99 $39.99

Seagate Barracuda 7200.12 ST3500413AS 500GB 7200 RPM SATA 6.0Gb/s 3.5" Internal Hard Drive -Bare Drive
Model #:ST3500413AS
Item #:N82E16822148701
Ouch; hard drive prices are insane. Hopefully someone can find a deal for you.
$114.99 $114.99

Sony Optiarc CD/DVD Burner Black SATA Model AD-7261S-0B LightScribe Support - OEM
Model #:AD-7261S-0B
Item #:N82E16827118040
One optical drive is much like another, but this one has lightscribe.
$19.99 $19.99

Subtotal: $523.93

A little high, but I really hope someone can tweak this a little for you. You might sell your pair of HD5670 cards and put the money toward something like a HD6870 or GTX560; then you could get a cheaper mobo.
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November 22, 2011 2:31:40 PM

Onus said:
Ok here's a quick build. I hope someone can tweak it a little for you (I'm headed to work) to get the price down a little. Still, there's nothing here I would not buy, even if my preferences might be different (e.g. Asus or ASRock for mobos, Rosewill for cases, Seasonic/Antec for PSUs).

GIGABYTE GA-Z68A-D3H-B3 LGA 1155 Intel Z68 HDMI SATA 6Gb/s USB 3.0 ATX Intel Motherboard
Model #:GA-Z68A-D3H-B3
Item #:N82E16813128502
Cheapest mobo I'd consider with x8,x8 slots for Crossfire. You can save $30-$40 if you give that up. For a new build, a single stronger card makes more sense than a pair of relatively weak ones. You already have them though.
$128.99 -$15.00 Instant $113.99

HEC 63RABB Black Steel ATX Mid Tower Computer Case - OEM
Model #:63RABB
Item #:N82E16811121098
Similar to the Rosewill cases I've bought and liked; this one has free shipping, which can add a lot to the price of a case.
$39.99 $39.99

Rosewill Green Series RG630-S12 630W Continuous @40°C,80 PLUS Certified, Single 12V Rail, Active PFC "Compatible with Core ...
Model #:RG630-S12
Item #:N82E16817182200
OMG Rosewill????? Yes, Rosewill. This one was deemed excellent in a competent technical review (including dissection) at HardwareSecrets. Hard to beat for the price; will run any single GPU for when/if you upgrade.
$89.99 -$30.00 Instant $59.99

Intel Core i3-2105 Sandy Bridge 3.1GHz LGA 1155 65W Dual-Core Desktop Processor Intel HD Graphics 3000 BX80623I32105
Model #:BX80623I32105
Item #:N82E16819115090
Has the HD3000, which may be helpful if you ever do any video transcoding (the mobo I chose supports Virtu).
$134.99 $134.99

G.SKILL Value Series 8GB (2 x 4GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1333 (PC3 10666) Desktop Memory Model F3-10666CL9D-8GBNT
Model #:F3-10666CL9D-8GBNT
Item #:N82E16820231424
I've had only good results from G.Skill.
$39.99 $39.99

Seagate Barracuda 7200.12 ST3500413AS 500GB 7200 RPM SATA 6.0Gb/s 3.5" Internal Hard Drive -Bare Drive
Model #:ST3500413AS
Item #:N82E16822148701
Ouch; hard drive prices are insane. Hopefully someone can find a deal for you.
$114.99 $114.99

Sony Optiarc CD/DVD Burner Black SATA Model AD-7261S-0B LightScribe Support - OEM
Model #:AD-7261S-0B
Item #:N82E16827118040
One optical drive is much like another, but this one has lightscribe.
$19.99 $19.99

Subtotal: $523.93

A little high, but I really hope someone can tweak this a little for you. You might sell your pair of HD5670 cards and put the money toward something like a HD6870 or GTX560; then you could get a cheaper mobo.



Thank you very much Jtt283, I myself do prefer ASRock Mobo or Asus so that's a must for me. There's a deal for Western digital 500GB HDD in newegg that also gets me a free sont DVD burner both for 99$.

And is this cruddy?

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
CORSAIR Builder Series CX500 V2 500W ATX12V v2.3 80 PLUS Certified Active PFC Power Supply
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November 22, 2011 6:15:16 PM

The Corsair CX xxx V2 PSUs are very good. There are two downsides though. They have a low thermal rating (although in every review I've found they had no problem taking the temperature well above the rating with no drop in performance). Secondly, they have a lower 12V rating than the gamer equivalents.
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November 22, 2011 8:20:07 PM

that won't be an issue for my build would it?
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November 22, 2011 9:07:06 PM

This is similar to my other set-up but a bit better I suppose. One last check guy thank you >.<!

HITACHI 500GB 7200 RPM
(/w free Sony DvD burner)- 100$
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

ASRock 970 EXTREME4-110$
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

AMD Phenom II X4 955 Black Edition- 125$
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

CORSAIR Builder Series CX600 V2 600W ATX12V v2.3 80 PLUS Certified Active PFC Power Supply
combo with
G.SKILL Ripjaws Series 8GB (2 x 4GB)- 95$
http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?Ite...

Sentey Black Box Series BX1-4237- 40$
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

/w shipping- 480$

I wanted to buy AMD Phenom II X4 965 Black Edition for 5$ more but it was sold out.

How is that guys?

Thank you all appreciate it very much I just don't want to mess up my first build T-T.
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November 22, 2011 9:14:38 PM

probably not.

12V@34A is plenty of power for 2x5670's and an i3. It might limit future upgrades.

I have a strong suspicion that Corsair put the thermal rating artificially down to low 25C. The ATX standard suggests that a PSU should be capable of operating in 50C ambient temperatures. If it is a real thermal limit, then operating 10C above that (so 35C) might not cause it to shut down, but would half the expected lifetime of the device.
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November 22, 2011 9:24:28 PM

I prefer Antec to Corsair, but Corsair is decent. You should be good.
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November 22, 2011 10:53:13 PM

The prices will continue to increase as we near the Christmas/holiday season. If you can, you may want to consider waiting until after the holidays. You'll get better products at a better price. If you are talking a 50$ difference, between an Intel setup and an AMD set up, go with Intel. What about your old hard drive? You might be able to reuse it until you save enough money for a better one. That will keep you in your budget and allow you to get a good PSU. Corsair actually makes some of the best PSU's. They have been tested countless times, and are ranked very highly. This PSU (Corsair GS600) is tailored perfectly to your needs. It costs approx. $80 The above suggested builders series PSU at approx. $70 is not. It's tailored to simple home/office set ups without sli, without overclocking, and with a minimum of connected components. It only reaches 40Amps on the +12v rail. As mentioned above, a minimum of 45 Amps on the +12v rail is required for the HD 5670 crossfire set up, you plan to build, in order to perform well. Plus, overclocking will add to the watts used and increase temps. Try not to go with the bare minimum. It's usually bites you in the kazoo in the end. You could save yourself a lot of headaches and money by buying a good PSU the first time around. Worst case scenario, you can lose other hardware and experience crashes, if you aren't properly supplied. If you look through these forums, quite a few people have underestimated their PSU needs and ended up needing another PSU or have lost components. Plus,by choosing a proper PSU, you have more possibilities to upgrade without having to buy another PSU.
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November 22, 2011 11:06:26 PM

Ahh well how about I increase my buget to 550? Even up to 600$? Will that help? I want an Asus mobo or ASrock, so many perks :D .
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November 22, 2011 11:13:36 PM

^Nonsense. A Crossfired pair of HD5670 GPUs draws about 124W, or 10.3A. Throw in the rest of the components of a typical PC (including overclocks), and I'd be surprised if you need even 30A on the +12V rail(s). The Corsair Builder series has also been favorably reviewed as being capable of more than what's on their labels. Here's the 430W model review: http://www.hardwaresecrets.com/article/Corsair-CX430-V2... which notes that it and the larger versions are made by the same OEM (CWT). This "weaker" model would be sufficient for the proposed build.

GPU power usage: http://forums.atomicmpc.com.au/index.php?showtopic=264
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November 22, 2011 11:57:51 PM

Too many other tests/reviews prove that to be wrong. Going by one or two sketchy reviews, especially that are at ridiculously lower values would be irresponsible. I have 6 graphic cards in use that are on that list and these readings don't come near the actual usage of even 1 of those cards. You are welcome. Plus, we all know that an efficient PSU can handle a little more wattage for a short period, but they definitely can't handle handle it for long periods, and I highly doubt he wants to cut his game short, or risk damage, because the PSU can't deliver enough watts long enough. If you pull 548w from that 430w PSU for more than a few minutes, it will shut down and you run the risk of malfunction. Notice that the reviewers at hardwaresecrets didn't recommend that you operate your system at that wattage, or any wattage above 430w. These are brief load and overload tests not extensive tests(like the tests manufacturers perform) that calculate how long you can operate your PSU at different wattages before they are classified.

Also, that antec high current PSU is a fine choice. Enjoy your new set up.
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November 23, 2011 12:47:26 AM

Because it has no PCIE power connector, a HD5670 cannot pull more than 75W, or 6.25A; the 62W figure under 3D load looks to be entirely reasonable.
Who said he would pull 548W from his PSU? That was a particular stress test, on a smaller model than the OP was considering. No one is suggesting he run his PSU at over its rating, just that a PSU you poo-pooed is good for MORE than its rating, and is easily adequate for his needs. Based on my assumptions about number of drives, fans, and allowing for capacitor aging and an overclock, the PSU calculator at http://www.extreme.outervision.com/PSUEngine estimates 412W (20W less without the OC).
All that said, the Antec HCG PSU is an excellent choice. If it fits in your budget, by all means get it. Just don't think you have to have that much power, because you absolutely do not.
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November 23, 2011 2:49:02 AM

Best answer selected by roxas2030.
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