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September 25, 2011 7:07:14 AM

I'm sure the 6870 is better than the GTX 460, it's also newer, meaning it will work a tad bit better with tessellation, and tessellation is in games like Battlefield.
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September 25, 2011 7:14:43 AM

The 6870 is faster, but the 460 is generally cheaper. A 460 that has a big overclock can keep up with a 6870 though.
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September 25, 2011 7:15:30 AM

The 460 also uses up more power, but hey if you have a decent PSU and aren't worried about your electric bill then no worries ^_^
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September 25, 2011 7:18:29 AM

whats the difference in power usage?
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September 25, 2011 7:25:20 AM

the gtx 460 1 gb is rather in competition with the hd 6850
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September 25, 2011 8:14:42 AM

gtx 460 is the closer competitor of 6850 and 6870
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September 25, 2011 8:21:34 AM

so which do you like? im looking for bang for buck here.
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September 25, 2011 8:30:30 AM

go for gtx 460 cheaper and faster
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September 25, 2011 9:01:35 AM

pro-gamer said:
go for gtx 460 cheaper and faster


Completely wrong.

The 6870 is a faster card than the 460.

That 6870 listed is the Direct CU version which is already oc'd to 915/1050....and can be oc'd further to 1000/1200.

If those are your two choices, then definitely get the 6870.
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September 25, 2011 9:34:36 AM

yes 6870 is faster only 10% but not too much but if he/she can get an sli gtx 460 setup then he/she can beat 6870 easily so thats why there is no huge differences in thier prices only 10$ 6870 is expensive this mean it would be 10% better than a single gtx460.
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September 25, 2011 9:39:53 AM

So, why state the 460 is cheaper and faster then ? You're making no sense. Now you compare sli 460 against a single 6870. A crossfire 6870 will beat a sli 460, and a oc 6870 will beat a oc 460.
6870 IS better. Period.
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a b U Graphics card
September 25, 2011 9:41:54 AM

actually HD6870 is around 20% faster than GTX460, both are very good overclockers and consume around the same amount of power. I can't understand how the hell 189$ is more than 199$. Dyjon, get the HD6870 it's a lot better (30%) than GTX460 at this price.
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September 25, 2011 9:45:26 AM

Ok, just saw now that the op only can sli. Was focused on the statement that a 460 is cheaper and faster. Get a GTX560 imo and sli that in the future.
Whats your system specs btw ( cpu, psu, ram, resolution ), maybe a 560 or 460 is overkill anyway.
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September 25, 2011 10:44:51 AM

Yeah, well, applause ! There are 2 games listed there where the 460 does it slightly (!) better and only with AA on or on high resolution. True ; Civ V has 3.6 fps more, yeah, party, party !!!! The other differences are much bigger and in favor of the 6870. Get real.
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September 25, 2011 10:49:36 AM

pro-gamer said:
ok click this link
http://www.anandtech.com/bench/Product/290?vs=313


in some games gtx 460 beat that 6870 click on the link.


I clicked on your link.

The only game that the 460 is faster in is Civ 5....oh...and faster in Dirt but only when playing at 1680 x 1050.

You stated that the 460 was cheaper and faster......but, in the link you posted, it clearly shows the opposite.

Thanks for posting a link that clearly shows the 6870's dominance over the 460, saves me from digging it up.
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September 25, 2011 10:54:06 AM

If you want i can sell you my Asus ENGTX 460 1GB :p  (jokin, i am from Romania). I have the GTX 460 (675MHz core, 3800 MHZ gddr5) overclocked to 800Mhz core / 3900 Mhz Memory) and it runs good :) 
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September 25, 2011 10:57:55 AM

yes so that what i told you in previous thread that gtx 460 is little closer competitor of 6870
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September 25, 2011 11:14:36 AM

Well, all agreeing than that the 6870 is better :lol:  , it's all way off topic ; the op maybe wants to sli and can't crossfire. So he def. has to go with NVidea, therefore a 460 or 560 but we can't tell without knowing other specs and res.
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September 25, 2011 11:18:45 AM

No, the GTX 560 is closer in performance to the HD 6870, they actually trade blows, now what I don't understand, is that you are saying the GTX 460 is as fast as the HD 6870, meaning it has to be as fast as a GTX 560. So why then, would they release a GTX 560?

we all know Civ 5 favors Nvidia cards, which is why it gets better Fps, but in almost every other game the HD 6870 has around %20-30% more Fps, whilst using less power.

@ OP, since your board is Sli only, I'd recommend you get a GTX 560 (Non-Ti), it performance is on par with the HD 6870, and they trade blows, and it will allow you to upgrade to Sli in the future.

This : Zotac GTX 560 DP w/ free Batman Arkham

Or

MSI Dual Fan GTX 560 w/ Batman Arkham and NBA2K11
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September 25, 2011 11:33:32 AM

yummerzzz said:
No, the GTX 560 is closer in performance to the HD 6870, they actually trade blows, now what I don't understand, is that you are saying the GTX 460 is as fast as the HD 6870, meaning it has to be as fast as a GTX 560. So why then, would they release a GTX 560?

we all know Civ 5 favors Nvidia cards, which is why it gets better Fps, but in almost every other game the HD 6870 has around %20-30% more Fps, whilst using less power.

@ OP, since your board is Sli only, I'd recommend you get a GTX 560 (Non-Ti), it performance is on par with the HD 6870, and they trade blows, and it will allow you to upgrade to Sli in the future.

This : Zotac GTX 560 DP w/ free Batman Arkham

Or

MSI Dual Fan GTX 560 w/ Batman Arkham and NBA2K11


This is the best advice.

The 560 (non ti) trades blows with the 6870....and since you have sli board, it is the most sensible option.
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September 25, 2011 11:42:59 AM

Thats why i allreday stated that twice, get the 560. But really need to know the specs before giving a good advice, maybe he plays at low res and has no need for a high end card, maybe his psu is 450W and can't sli because of that. This is all quessing and no safe advices.
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a b U Graphics card
September 25, 2011 11:54:54 AM

I can only see you saying that once, and you never went into as much detail as I did, but oh well.

If by low res you mean 1280*720, I use my HD 6870 on my Dell SE197FP with a max resolution of 1280*1024, and some more demanding games don't run at a constant 60Fps, also, you should have said maybe he has a BAD 450W PSU, as a lot of better quality 450W's can handle a HD 6870 or GTX 560.

But yes, OP you do need to tell us the rest of your system specs.
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September 25, 2011 12:00:41 PM

Well, all agreeing than that the 6870 is better :lol:  , it's all way off topic ; the op maybe wants to sli and can't crossfire. So he def. has to go with NVidea, therefore a 460 or 560 but we can't tell without knowing other specs and res.

Ok, just saw now that the op only can sli. Was focused on the statement that a 460 is cheaper and faster. Get a GTX560 imo and sli that in the future.
Whats your system specs btw ( cpu, psu, ram, resolution ), maybe a 560 or 460 is overkill anyway.

Soooooo . . . :lol: 

And yes ; yours was more detailed. I didn't go there allready because we don't know nothing. No need to tell all this detail if it's maybe not neccasary.

And even a good 450Wpsu won't be able to handle sli and that is maybe what the op wants in the future. :kaola: 
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September 25, 2011 12:02:27 PM

Nice batttles on this thread. Fun, fun, fun, in the sun, sun, sun :bounce: 
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a b U Graphics card
September 25, 2011 12:07:19 PM

Oh well, didn't see the second one, and why not mention the detail BEFORE, that way you write less, while explaining all you need to.

He said, the only upside to getting a GTX 460 is that I can Sli, which implies he doesn't want to Sli right now, and either way, if he wanted to Sli, and had a bad PSU, or has a single card and wanted to upgrade to Sli in the future, he would have to get a better PSU anyway.

EDIT : What does that double post mean?
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September 25, 2011 12:26:45 PM

What double post ? You mean the battle stuff ? Well that there are good discussions here and everybody seems to be arguing with everybody while the most of us say the same things basicly. That's funny i think.

I can't see when you give details in advance and then when it's maybe becomming clear in the end that he can't use those cards you gave all this detail from, that you write less then.

And indeed ; he doesn't want to sli now, but before you can give the advice of going for a 560 over a 6870 you'll need to know if it is possible to sli in the future. If it's not possible because of the psu and he's not willing to upgrade that, than a 6870 or 6950 are also in the running again.

So all in all ; WE NEED INFOOOOOOOOO

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a b U Graphics card
September 25, 2011 12:39:10 PM

Well, he says he wants to Sli, so he'll most probably be willing to upgrade his PSU, if not now, then later.

There was NO need for the childish double post, as it helped no-one, and if he ws asking about a GTX 460 or a HD 6870 in the main post, I've already mentioned a good 450W PSU could handle either card, so I won't have to mention that again.

The only other thing stopping him would be his CPU, and that would take a single sentence to tell him it was bottlenecking.
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September 25, 2011 12:50:14 PM

There was NO need for the childish double post, as it helped no-one,

Jeez guy, lighten up or something, all was said in good spirit and no harsh words spoken i believe. It's not you're place to tell people what they should write or not. I will be the judge of what i will or will not post ( and the mods in the end )
Childish would be to say that you're an old nagging bore so i won't say that.
Also childish ; nag, nag, nag, nag, nag, nag, nag, nag, nag.
I'm going to play a game now, better spending of my time than talking to a narrowminded person who only bitches about little things and small words, pathetic sod.
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a b U Graphics card
September 25, 2011 12:52:38 PM

No, saying your an Old Bore would be insulting, not childish, and all your doing right now in that post is insulting me, which I never done to you.

So according to that post, I'm narrow-minded and bitchy, please point out where I have been either of these?

EDIT : Insulting and/or harassing is also again TH rules.
Also, please tell me how calling anyone narrow minded and bitchy can possibly be in good spirit.
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September 25, 2011 12:57:19 PM

Telling me there is no need for that childish post is saying i'm childish so i think the insulting part starts there and we all know action gives reaction my friend. All was fine and i just saw this as a good respectfull discussion till that " childish" statement of yours. And no one tells me what i can write or not ( as long as i stay in forum rules that is )
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a b U Graphics card
September 25, 2011 1:01:17 PM

Well, you obviously haven't been staying in the Forum rules with the last post you made, and saying that you are "Childish" is hardly an insult, I was simply telling you to act more mature.

Also, I didn't say YOU were childish, I said the POST was childish, and then you resulted to insults and flaming, which is against TH rules.

EDIT : A51R didn't see your post there as I was still typing mine, but you are right, we need to wait until OP gives us system specs before we can help him anymore.
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September 25, 2011 1:01:41 PM

Let's back off the insults and get back on topic.

Thanks for your time!
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September 25, 2011 1:03:37 PM

Please do.
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September 25, 2011 5:31:21 PM

Res is 1920 x 1080 so I need the best possible card. Found a 6870 for 140$ ( the asus one) Going to stick wiht that seems like it will be the best fit. I am going to upgrade platform when bulldoser comes out anyways so I can just buy a crossfrire motherboard then.
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a b U Graphics card
September 25, 2011 5:36:56 PM

Great find, but please still post your PSU and CPU specs.
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September 25, 2011 5:42:48 PM

Antec 650 earth and a tri core 445 amd.
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a b U Graphics card
September 25, 2011 5:53:45 PM

That's fine then, enjoy your gaming, though you should OC that processor.
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September 25, 2011 6:15:28 PM

I tried. above 3.3 gets unstable,. Going to get better cooling than stock and go from there. Like I said though I am upgrading soon ( whenever Bulldoser comes out)
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September 25, 2011 6:57:57 PM

At stock clocks you're looking at a power consumption difference of about 23 watts or so

http://www.bit-tech.net/hardware/graphics/2010/10/22/at...

If you look at pre-overclocked 460s though, to the point it is a little ahead of the 6870 in the EVGA FTW card, the power consumption difference is greater with the overclocked 460 using 66 more watts :o . Of course, that a cherry picked card so if you buy a different 460 it may reach those speeds, it may not, or it may do so while using more power

http://www.legitreviews.com/article/1445/17/
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a b U Graphics card
September 25, 2011 7:49:32 PM

that comparison is not representative of a real situation..... a highly overclocked 460 is right on par with a stock 470......enter that 470 in vs. that same 6870 and see what you get!!!
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September 26, 2011 6:20:17 AM

badtaylorx said:
that comparison is not representative of a real situation..... a highly overclocked 460 is right on par with a stock 470......enter that 470 in vs. that same 6870 and see what you get!!!

So you are saying I should save the money and get the 460 gtx? I have no problem giving it a high overclock because EVGA covers that in there warranty and its lifetime.
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September 26, 2011 7:39:27 AM

It seems the one I linked ( which is the 460 I would be getting) I already on the level of a 470gtx at stock.
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a b U Graphics card
September 26, 2011 2:21:46 PM

No, it is the HD 6870 > the GTX 460.

When highly overclocked the GTX 460 *might* just be able to bite HD 6870's heel, but when you start OC'ing the HD 6870, it's a whole different story.
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a b U Graphics card
September 26, 2011 2:23:53 PM

the 6xxx and 5xx series of cards have better tesselation performance that the older series of cards such as the 5xxx or 4xx.
Think about what kind of performance you would get in OCing the 6870 if you can squeeze out near performance with a 460.
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a b U Graphics card
September 26, 2011 4:03:25 PM

it is just slightly slower than the 6870
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a b U Graphics card
September 26, 2011 4:07:34 PM

HD 6850 vs GTX 460.

HD 6870 vs GTX 560.

That's what you are looking at.
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September 26, 2011 4:12:18 PM

Meh, I think you're better off getting this card for the free Deus Ex and overclocking it yourself

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

As always with overclocking on any card your mileage will vary, but in generally a 6850 can be overclocked to provide performance close to the 6870. By comparison the 6870 generally doesn't have the same overclocking headroom due to it being clocked high already which generally (but not always) means a smaller relative increase by overclocking for the 6870.
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