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February 23, 2012 9:46:19 PM

Hi

I would like some help as I am currently looking to get a i5 2500k and a new motherboard
though I currently have a 955BE and motherboard-M4A78LT-M. But I wish to see some improvement in my system ie in gaming. I have a ASUS GTX 570 Direct CUII. Will going all out for a i5 and good board really improve to what I currently have ?. I have 6GB ddr3 @1066 but will get more if need be for the i5.

Please all comments welcome.
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February 23, 2012 10:38:54 PM

would have to say the 2500k will slaughter the 955BE in gaming

even before overclocking it
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February 23, 2012 10:55:07 PM

Hi :) 

Depending on the games you play , I SERIOUSLY doubt you will see ANY difference at all...most games are more dependant on Graphics cards GPU`s Not Cpu`s ....

All the best Brett :) 
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February 23, 2012 11:04:49 PM

Brett928S2 said:
Hi :) 

Depending on the games you play , I SERIOUSLY doubt you will see ANY difference at all...most games are more dependant on Graphics cards GPU`s Not Cpu`s ....

All the best Brett :) 


What Brett says. But if you want the fastest gaming CPU between the two, the one that will handily beat the other in benchmarks, then it's the 2500K, hands-down. It's just by far a superior CPU in almost every respect. Except price.

I currently have a 955 BE. I overclocked it from 3.2 to 3.8 and noticed absolutely zero difference in my gaming experience. I have no desire to upgrade to a 2500k, even though it's a better CPU.

It was kind of a sad moment for me when I realized that, for the money, there really was no more point in me upgrading my system any further until the next generation of chips are available. I have a lot of fun upgrading, but I finally realized I hit a point where it was good enough for me to stop upgrading and just enjoy my current system.
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February 23, 2012 11:11:20 PM

there are quite a few games where the cpu does actually make a difference--some games are cpu intensive like

flight simulators for example

so maybe telling us what sort of games you want to play might clarify it a bit
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February 23, 2012 11:36:13 PM

if ur building new get the 2500K

if u already have the PhenomII 955, stick with it. its not that huge of a diff to justify the $400-500 change over.
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February 23, 2012 11:40:41 PM

Overclock your phenom.
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February 24, 2012 12:15:38 AM

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I wouldn't sell it anyways, keep it safe and sound because one day the Phenom II's Denebs and Thubans are going to be collector items.
6 years from now when AMD is broken up because of the failed CPU dept, you can say that you still have the last line of AMD CPU that performed best...
:whistle: 

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February 24, 2012 5:07:57 AM

Are you unhappy with your current performance?

You will see little to no performance increase getting ANY new CPU with a single GTX 570.

Hold onto your money, save up until you can afford a 2nd GTX 570+CPU/Mobo and by then IvyBridge will be out (April) and you'll have the ultimate gaming system. :) 
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February 24, 2012 5:39:15 AM

I agree it doesn't make sense to go upgrade your CPU now. What exactly is wrong with your current system?
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February 24, 2012 6:07:45 AM

You are looking at ~$200 for the 2500k, but probably at least another $100 or more for a new motherboard. Is the 2500(k) $300 better then the 955? No. (although if you can find someone willing to buy your current setup for $??? then it might make more sense.) I too would stick with what you have unless the 2500(k) performs much better in your favorite games.
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February 24, 2012 6:10:20 AM

You will see improvements in CPU intensive games, Shogun, StarCraft the big real time strategies, Metro, Skyrim etc, but if you are playing GPU orientated games like BF3 you will not see much difference, if you can tell the difference in and up to 10FPS then fine. As already said, save up money and put dual GPU's in.
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February 24, 2012 6:27:41 AM

Whatchoo talkin bout willis?
February 24, 2012 9:09:45 AM

Thank you all very much for your time, help and advice. I think I am going to go SLI with another gtx 570 and get a good motherboard. I will reply individually to you all for some more help
February 24, 2012 9:16:23 AM

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rid your self of the 6GB DDR3 1066MHz and grab a 8GB(2x4GB) kit DDR3 1600MHz.
regardless if you stay with your 955BE or get the i5-2500K.
are you at least running your RAM in dual channel mode now.?
and if your 955BE isn't overclocked then you not really pushing you GTX 570
(still playing well I know but more CPU power is better)

I don't think I am running dual channel. I guess that is something to do in bios I see DC mode in CPU-Z Unganged which I think is better for gaming. I totally agree with getting rid of the ddr3 @1066. Just got the 6GB for 30 pounds roughly 37.50 dollars and cents. How would I go about getting my ram into dual channel. Thanks for help and advice.
February 24, 2012 9:18:21 AM

mcnumpty23 said:
would have to say the 2500k will slaughter the 955BE in gaming

even before overclocking it

Thanks for your reply I really am considering buying it but I may be better of as some people say sli my current gpu. would that then with my current cpu bottleneck my system thanks again
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February 24, 2012 9:20:16 AM

You'd have to remove a stick of ram. AMDs CPUs use a dual channel max memory controller. You need to use 2, or 4 sticks of ram at a time. Once you put that 3rd stick in, it drops back to single channel.

In some cases the extra ram outweighs the drop in bandwidth. Try testing your applications both ways to see which is best for you.
February 24, 2012 9:27:34 AM

mcnumpty23 said:
there are quite a few games where the cpu does actually make a difference--some games are cpu intensive like

flight simulators for example

so maybe telling us what sort of games you want to play might clarify it a bit

BF3, Red Orchestra 2 & Skyrim. The reason for upgrade because I feel I am not getting what I should be out of battlefield 3 online I know on 64 player maps it can lag a little and have to turn settings to medium I don't really like v-sync as I notice the slightest input lag even with pre-rendered frames at 0
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February 24, 2012 9:28:19 AM

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I may be better of as some people say sli my current gpu. would that then with my current cpu bottleneck my system thanks again


This is a bit tricky to answer. Yes, if you had a 2500 your scores would be higher. But assuming you have a single 1080 screen, you're going to be limited by its 60hz "refresh rate" more then anything else. A GTX570 should be able to max out just about any game at 1080. I'd only SLI if you have an "eyefinity" setup. Perhaps an SSD?
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February 24, 2012 9:28:29 AM

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Thanks for your reply I really am considering buying it but I may be better of as some people say sli my current gpu. would that then with my current cpu bottleneck my system thanks again



yes i think it would bottleneck it with 2 gtx570

even if it was overclocked

heres a discussion on exactly that


http://www.overclock.net/t/1181573/will-a-phenom-ii-980...
February 24, 2012 9:33:20 AM

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You'd have to remove a stick of ram. AMDs CPUs use a dual channel max memory controller. You need to use 2, or 4 sticks of ram at a time. Once you put that 3rd stick in, it drops back to single channel.

In some cases the extra ram outweighs the drop in bandwidth. Try testing your applications both ways to see which is best for you.

Thanks for your reply. Think im going to get another 2GB today then again I may not bother and give it next week and get a 1600 8GB kit.
February 24, 2012 9:35:39 AM

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I may be better of as some people say sli my current gpu. would that then with my current cpu bottleneck my system thanks again


This is a bit tricky to answer. Yes, if you had a 2500 your scores would be higher. But assuming you have a single 1080 screen, you're going to be limited by its 60hz "refresh rate" more then anything else. A GTX570 should be able to max out just about any game at 1080. I'd only SLI if you have an "eyefinity" setup. Perhaps an SSD?

Yes I have a single monitor set up a Samsung syncmaster

http://www.pixmania.co.uk/uk/uk/9953978/art/samsung/syn...
February 24, 2012 9:37:24 AM

On auto its does everything on High with terrain on ultra and aa 16x I turn off aa for multi-player BF3 that is
February 24, 2012 9:47:57 AM

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yes i think it would bottleneck it with 2 gtx570

even if it was overclocked

heres a discussion on exactly that


http://www.overclock.net/t/1181573/will-a-phenom-ii-980...

I notice a'lot of posters are saying go for a i5 2500k lol. I think I may just get the i5 now really want to be able to justify playing @ high settings and intel are generally better than AMD I hear
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February 24, 2012 10:25:29 AM

Just a useful heads up. Ivybridge is very near, don't shell out on a Sandybridge and wait for the IB to release. A 955BE is not your problem.
February 24, 2012 2:09:52 PM

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You will see improvements in CPU intensive games, Shogun, StarCraft the big real time strategies, Metro, Skyrim etc, but if you are playing GPU orientated games like BF3 you will not see much difference, if you can tell the difference in and up to 10FPS then fine. As already said, save up money and put dual GPU's in.

You say BF3 being a GPU orientated but I have been playing and CPU usage is nearly 100 percent and GPU is sitting in the mid 40's.
February 24, 2012 2:22:09 PM

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depends on your 6GB and how many sticks of RAM do you have, 3 or 4 sticks of RAM to make 6GB.?
if 3x2GB sticks making 6GB then your in single channel, if 4 sticks like this (2x2)x(1+1)
then you might be in dual channel.
what does CPU-Z say.?

At the moment I have 3x2GB sticks and all different makes. I still not to sure what to do do I spend 40 pounds on on a 8 GB kit or save it towards a new board. I don't think im going to SLI as I have a single monitor set up @ 1080 I benchmarked Metro 2033 earlier and these are my results
http://imageshack.us/homepage/?user=gdotbizzle

February 24, 2012 3:29:55 PM

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so it's running in single channel mode then, remove the oddball stick and test it out in dual channel.
and SLi your cards will or can give you scaling like up to 92% at times..
imagine Metro 2033 then.?

so now what are your pans.?

Yes its running in single channel how do I change it in Bios?

Might get anew board and same gpu but on a earlier post my cpu would bottle neck my system so would have to upgrade a new cpu. Really not sure what to do just not really impressed with the money spent on my system and what it is achieving. Maybe I am not happy with what I got but just does not seem to be that great of a GPU tbh. Just noticed that CPU-Z shows ' Channels # Dual. But DC unganged
February 24, 2012 4:41:18 PM

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you have to remove the third stick and only run two.
AMD board so odds are dual channel is in slots 1 and 2 closet to CPU socket.
also means running 4GB and not 6GB..
nothing to change in BIOS, just remove oddball stick of RAM.

do you have the 955BE overclocked.?

how is CPU-Z showing dual channel but you have 3x2GB sticks of RAM.. :heink: 


Aha thank you just realized that that my 2x2GB where not closest to CPU. No I have not overclocked my 955 but am considering but not sure how to do it I know its about upping the voltage and something to do with multiplier.

CPU-Z

http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/714/tomse.png/ I think I may have give wrong information. Still a bit uncertain what to do regards of purchases.
February 24, 2012 4:46:28 PM

Just re-installed the ram closest to CPU and nothing changed hope the image taken from CPU-Z helps
February 24, 2012 6:19:23 PM

When you say hit the multi twice is that the multiplier in bios ?
February 24, 2012 6:20:06 PM

its is at 16x do i goto 18x?
February 25, 2012 8:56:50 AM

Thanks again Malmental successfully done this if I want to increase speed do I up voltage. I think I am going to save up for a while and consider getting another card in sli. Would it still be worth going sli even on a single monitor display? Thanks again
February 25, 2012 10:57:35 AM

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yes..

Would it be wise to maybe get a Phenom IIX6 1100T instead I know BF3 love multi core so would that be a wise option along with a nice 1600 8GB kit
February 25, 2012 1:39:13 PM

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a clocked 955BE can run SLi
it's just that the 2500K is a better option.
1100T is up to you and if you need the more cores than the quad, it's a good move; (multi-tasking and such)
but if all for gaming then I'd wait on the CPU upgrade and upgrade to SLi and monitor situation.
I'd still take the 1100T over the FX-Bulldozer..

Top man thanks again. I only game and a little game recording that is it. Not really a fan of multi screen setup but will be getting a 42inch end of the year so SLI would be important. thanks again for all the help. Will I notice increased frame rates with SLI with the monitor I have atm Samsung Sync master sa350 23inch
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