Phenom 960t or 975?

[reyshan]

Hello, Im askin for peoples opinions on which one do i get. I already have a board and everything and just need an upgrade from a 9950 because it's running too hot and sucks too much power. I won't be buying any new mobo so don't recommend me any intel or bulldozer cpus. My board is a Gigabyte ma-785gm-us2h with f12a bios. I don't want to bu any more new board as I just bought it last year. I want to know peoples opinions on which do I get. I live in Guam so the only place where i could order is at Mwave.com. The 960t is 130 and the 975 is 170. I would like to unlock the extra 2 cores on the 960t to get a 6 core which is what i really wanted but I can't find anymore. If that doesn't work, i could just clock it to the same speed as the 975 but would it be the same performance. I mainly play bf3 right now and other fps games. I don't really use my pc other than that and hw for college and web browsing. So which should i buy? 960t or 975?

My sytem specs: Mobo: Gigabyte Ma-785gm-us2h
Cpu: Phenom 9950
Ram: 4gb of ddr2. Ocz fatality @1066mhz
Graphics card: MSI 6950 twin frozr iii 2gb
harddrives: 1tb Wd black(boot) and 1tb wd green(files)
Case: CM 690 II basic with 6 120mm fans

 

[computernewb]

For battlefield 3 cpu doesnt matter too much

http://www.tomshardware.co.uk/battlefield-3-graphics-performance,review-32308-13.html

"Any reasonably-modern processor is going to be held back by graphics long before hamstringing performance itself. "

a good graphics card is more important

http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/battlefield-3-graphics-performance,3063-11.html

http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/battlefield-3-graphics-performance,3063-12.html

might as well get the cheaper cpu 960t


edit: however newegg has a deal of 15$ off the 975 so thats tempting

 

[reyshan]

For battlefield 3 cpu doesnt matter too much

http://www.tomshardware.co.uk/battlefield-3-graphics-performance,review-32308-13.html

"Any reasonably-modern processor is going to be held back by graphics long before hamstringing performance itself. "

a good graphics card is more important

http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/battlefield-3-graphics-performance,3063-11.html

http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/battlefield-3-graphics-performance,3063-12.html

might as well get the cheaper cpu 960t


edit: however newegg has a deal of 15$ off the 975 so thats tempting

yeah true but for future things too. I won't be upgrading for like the next 4 years again on cpu so longetivity is also my plan. Newegg doesn't ship to guam

 

[wr6133]

960T good chance it'll unlock and even if it doesnt you can OC the hell out of it

 

[wr6133]

I don't think your Mobo can unlock though. I looked it up on Gigabyte website and I can't see the function listed for it.

 

[Wisecracker]

That mobo has ACC and will unlock.

Go for the 960T Zosma-not necessarily for the unlock potential, though. A Zosma is an EO stepping, BUT

. . . if you are concerned about power use you can take the 975 as low as 0.825v-I suspect the 960T will not go much below 1.1v at idle, BUT

. . . the 960T is 95w as opposed to 125w for the PhII 975, so it's got some volt headroom for a nice OC.

Glad I could help :lol:

(+1 for the 960T )


And if you leave your vcore on *Auto* it will over-volt on that mobo --

 

[Boopoo]

That mobo has ACC and will unlock.

Go for the 960T Zosma-not necessarily for the unlock potential, though. A Zosma is an EO stepping, BUT

. . . if you are concerned about power use you can take the 975 as low as 0.825v-I suspect the 960T will not go much below 1.1v at idle, BUT

. . . the 960T is 95w as opposed to 125w for the PhII 975, so it's got some volt headroom for a nice OC.

Glad I could help :lol:

(+1 for the 960T )


And if you leave your vcore on *Auto* it will over-volt on that mobo --

core for core Deneb is faster than Zozma

 

[rds1220]

975BE is my choice..
I personally do not need the two extra cores.
975BE can hit 4.0GHz in stock voltage..

I'm with you on that one. Also you say it runs hot what type of cooling are you using and what are the voltages of the CPU?

 

[loneninja]

core for core Deneb is faster than Zozma

Zosma, Deneb, Thuban, Propus, Heka, and all the other K10 cores are the SAME core. It's only differences in cache and core count that change performance, Denebs core is NOT faster than Zosma. :lol:

 

[Boopoo]

Zosma, Deneb, Thuban, Propus, Heka, and all the other K10 cores are the SAME core. It's only differences in cache and core count that change performance, Denebs core is NOT faster than Zosma. :lol:

They are all the same perhaps but I don't think so from the info I have compiled and I guess I am right since Deneb is considered the fastest chips out of the whole Phenom II line up thanx for the laugh ;-)

 

[reyshan]

Thank you guys for all your comments. I keep my voltages on normal not auto because my ram voltage is higher on auto. Also, i use a isgc 400 with arctic silver 5 for thermal paste and there is a side panel fan for the heatsink. The voltage on idle is 1.040 and 1.296 at load.I also believe the 1090t is faster than the 980 in min. fps but 980 is better avg. from the last review by tom's http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/gaming-fx-pentium-apu-benchmark,3120-10.html. so its 3 for 960t and 3 for 975. One more person to break the tie or many more ppl.

 

[saint7269]

Get the 960t it's what I have. I'm running as a 4 core atm at 3.8ghz. It's cheaper then the 975 and it's 95w not 125w. And with the extra $$$ you can grab some more RAM(If you have windows 64bit that is.) or a new game.

 

[Boopoo]

Get the 960t it's what I have. I'm running as a 4 core atm at 3.8ghz. It's cheaper then the 975 and it's 95w not 125w. And with the extra $$$ you can grab some more RAM(If you have windows 64bit that is.) or a new game.

Lower TDP does not mean a better faster chip.

 

[Boopoo]

http://www.cpubenchmark.net/cpu_lookup.php?cpu=AMD+Phenom+II+X4+960T

http://i1130.photobucket.com/albums/m529/malmental/Untitled-10.png
as I was saying, get the 975BE.

How is there such a gap between the 955 and 975 when there is only 200mhz between them something seems off with that chart.

 

[loneninja]

They are all the same perhaps but I don't think so from the info I have compiled and I guess I am right since Deneb is considered the fastest chips out of the whole Phenom II line up thanx for the laugh ;-)

Only thing Deneb has is the highest stock clock speeds, Deneb and Thuban cores are IDENTICAL and have the same IPC. :lol:

 

[Boopoo]

Only thing Deneb has is the highest stock clock speeds, Deneb and Thuban cores are IDENTICAL and have the same IPC. :lol:

Well whatever they did exactly there is a difference and Deneb is a bit faster that is the facts.

 

[reyshan]

Is it really worth $40 to get an extra 600 mhz when you can just change the multiplier? If the 960t @ the same speed as the 975 would they be on-par? Lastly doesn't the 960t have that turbo frequency stuff?

 

[Boopoo]

Is it really worth $40 to get an extra 600 mhz when you can just change the multiplier? If the 960t @ the same speed as the 975 would they be on-par? Lastly doesn't the 960t have that turbo frequency stuff?

To make a 960t perform on par with a Deneb you must leave the 2 dormant cores disabled on the 960t and turn off the turbo core frequency which is just a gimmick IMHO anyway then OC to stock speed on 975 but the 975 has more headroom for OCing anyway so you might as well just have bought the 975 to begin with.

 

[amuffin]

Passmark is fake mal...

 

[amuffin]

Like how does an i5-2500k score lower than an i7-2670qm...? And how does the FX-6100 outperform the i7-920??? And an a8-3850 outperforms the a8-3870 and phenom 1055t?

 

[Wisecracker]

what makes you say that...
not arguing with you.
want to know.

Howdy, Mal Good day to yah.

Passmark was shown to 'bork' processor scores by simply changing the CPU ID string. AMD dumped them over a year ago - folks like nVidia and Via before them.

AMD showed benchmarks where their CPUs were 5-6% slower in certain tasks, but their scores were misrepresented by 20-, 30- and even 40% less than Intel in Passmark.

 

[reyshan]

so, a the $40 cpu is the better option while just adjusting the multiplier without changin the voltage is better?

 

[reyshan]

Oh ok then. Im still saving up money but I will buy it in about 2 weeks. If the 975 is still on sale, ill grab it but if it's out then imma grab the 960t. thank you for the advice. now who to pick as the best answer?

 

[reyshan]

Sorry but i just saw on mwave.com(which is the only website that i could buy) a 6 core 1055t thuban core for 166. I know you guys will still consider the 975 but which is better now? 975 or 1055t?

 

[Boopoo]

Sorry but i just saw on mwave.com(which is the only website that i could buy) a 6 core 1055t thuban core for 166. I know you guys will still consider the 975 but which is better now? 975 or 1055t?

977 is faster in everything but the most highly threaded apps.