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November 26, 2011 2:06:32 PM

So iam new to building a pc as in never done it before.I am planning to use a guide online(http://www.build-gaming-computers.com/index.html) which looks quite easy to follow to put it together.Ive found parts that i think all be compatible etc.. but i need a second opinion,as i have never done it before.


CPU+cooler? 95W?–Motherboard -4 GB Ram combo 199.99- http://www.maplin.co.uk/quad-core-am3-phenomii-x4-asus-...

AMD 6770HD GPU 84.99-
http://www.maplin.co.uk/asus-amd-radeon-hd-6770-1gb-gra...
Cougar 6XR9 ATX Gamer PC Case 79.99-http://www.maplin.co.uk/cougar-6xr9-atx-gamer-pc-case-5...

Dvd drive- 24.99-
http://www.maplin.co.uk/16-speed-dvd-rom-drive-31541

Creative Sound Blaster X-Fi Xtreme Audio PCI-Express 49.99-
http://www.maplin.co.uk/creative-sound-blaster-x-fi-xtr...

550W XFX Pro Series ATX PSU with EasyRail™ Technology- 59.99 -
http://www.maplin.co.uk/550w-xfx-pro-series-atx-psu-wit...

HITACHI Deskstar Internal 3.5" SATA Hard Drive - 500GB-7200 RPM -79.99-
http://www.pcworld.co.uk/gbuk/hitachi-deskstar-internal...

Ok so I think ive got everything i need just im not to sure if everything is compatible.So I need the help of a experienced computer user to give me a hand,maybe take a look at everything see if its all ok.If there anything missing then if you could supply a link preferably to pcworld or maplin,i live in the uk.

Thanks :) 

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November 26, 2011 2:41:53 PM

unless you need a 5.1 setup and mic or if you have really really nice speakers/headphones you can skip on the sound card. the onboard sound does pretty good now a days.

but its all compatible but i don't like the ram.
i don't know why companies always want to put a single stick of ram with motherboards that support dual channel. two "matched" sticks will make for a noticeable difference.
November 26, 2011 2:46:24 PM

Well im very happy its all good,thanks for your help.Can i not just buy another stick of ram or just scrap the one i have and get two other sticks?As for the sound card i could scrap it but i want a good quality sound because i want to use this for wow,sc2 etc.
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November 26, 2011 3:28:30 PM

Ok if i decide to scrap the sound card i think i may use the extra cash to upgrade my gpu

This is the one im thinking of
AMD Radeon HD6870 1GB- 179.99-
http://www.maplin.co.uk/asus-amd-radeon-hd-6870-1gb-gra...

This would still be compatible,right?What im just wondering is the power supply still enough seen as this card has about 30-40 more wattage than the 6770.
November 26, 2011 3:58:31 PM

Buying from Maplin is giving money away.
Your original build was £579.93

Here's my go at it.

CPU: Phenom ii x 4 850 (slight upgrade): £86.62
http://www.ebuyer.com/271921-amd-phenom-ii-x4-850-3-3gh...

Cooler: Asus Royal Knight: £18.96
http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showproduct.php?prodid=HS...

Mobo: Asus M58A78L-M/USB3: £49.99
http://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B0054U7HIO/ref=asc_df_B0054U...

RAM: G-Skill Ripjaws 2x2gb: £25.15
http://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B003BJ6U2E/ref=asc_df_B003BJ...

Case: Maplin price good or http://www.ebuyer.com/287757-cougar-6xr9-case-silver-6x...: £79.99

DVD R/W: 24x: £13.98
http://www.ebuyer.com/176026-liteon-ihas124-19-24x-dvd-...

GPU: Asus 6770: £78.89
http://www.ebuyer.com/266983-asus-hd-6770-1gb-gddr5-dir...

PSU: xfx 550w: £49.99
http://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B004RJ8EKI/ref=asc_df_B004RJ...

Soundcard: Xi-Fi: £33.64
http://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B000N2Q612/ref=asc_df_B000N2...

HDD: Can't really beat the PCWorld: £79.99

Total £517.20

Take that £62 saving and upgrade GPU

Asus HD6870: £159.99
http://www.novatech.co.uk/products/components/atiradeon...


Total £598.29

Over to you











November 26, 2011 4:02:46 PM

Sounds fine to me.

I use similar parts and they work very well.

One thing that matters is what OS you intend to use with this.

If you want to use Windows 7, then get 2 x 4GB sticks. If you want to use XP then stick with 2 x 2GB sticks.
November 26, 2011 4:28:31 PM

Yeah i planning to use windows 7.I like that longpig ill have a look :) .Thanks to both of you :D 
November 26, 2011 4:46:57 PM

It would help if you posted another updated list of what you are intending to get now.

The GSkill 1333s will work with Longpig's suggested Asus motherboard. They will also work with the motherboard you selected because it also supports 1333.

If you intend to have Windows 7, there is not really any excuse to have less than 2 x 4GBs unless your motherboard just can't handle it which isn't the case here.
November 26, 2011 5:30:06 PM

I'm not to sure as to what im going to get,i like my list i posted at first.Even though its a bit more i live near a maplins so if there is anything wrong with the parts then i can just go there.Im also not to keen on buying alot of expensive things online as they can get damaged etc and can be a pain to return if faulty.So for the moment i will stick with my original but will by that 8GB ram for it.

Thanks to everyone that has posted and if you have anything else to say don't hesitate to post :) 
November 26, 2011 6:20:40 PM

longpig said:
Buying from Maplin is giving money away.
Your original build was £579.93

Here's my go at it.

CPU: Phenom ii x 4 850 (slight upgrade): £86.62
http://www.ebuyer.com/271921-amd-phenom-ii-x4-850-3-3gh...

Cooler: Asus Royal Knight: £18.96
http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showproduct.php?prodid=HS...

Mobo: Asus M58A78L-M/USB3: £49.99
http://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B0054U7HIO/ref=asc_df_B0054U...

RAM: G-Skill Ripjaws 2x2gb: £25.15
http://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B003BJ6U2E/ref=asc_df_B003BJ...

Case: Maplin price good or http://www.ebuyer.com/287757-cougar-6xr9-case-silver-6x...: £79.99

DVD R/W: 24x: £13.98
http://www.ebuyer.com/176026-liteon-ihas124-19-24x-dvd-...

GPU: Asus 6770: £78.89
http://www.ebuyer.com/266983-asus-hd-6770-1gb-gddr5-dir...

PSU: xfx 550w: £49.99
http://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B004RJ8EKI/ref=asc_df_B004RJ...

Soundcard: Xi-Fi: £33.64
http://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B000N2Q612/ref=asc_df_B000N2...

HDD: Can't really beat the PCWorld: £79.99

Total £517.20

Take that £62 saving and upgrade GPU

Asus HD6870: £159.99
http://www.novatech.co.uk/products/components/atiradeon...


Total £598.29

Over to you


Is that CPU cooler compatible because i took a look at the link and it dosent say it fits a AM3 socket
November 26, 2011 6:35:41 PM

I just searched for the parts in the Maplin bundle. I didn't spot that sorry.

You want to make sure the mobo you buy is AM3+ for upgrade path.

Although the stock cooler will be fine unless you're going for major overclocking.
You could save another £18.

Perhaps our friend with the sticky keys (Raiddinn) can help with a cooler if you really want one.
November 27, 2011 9:46:05 AM

Cant wait too build this although very nervous :/  still debating as to if i get that 6770 or the 6870
November 27, 2011 2:05:46 PM

I put my trust in the x870 cards from ATI myself.

Between 6770 and 6870 I would definitely go with 6870 if it were me and the budget wasn't already stretched to the limit.
November 27, 2011 2:27:43 PM

Yeah im quite at my limit but i could maybe save by not getting that sounds card for the time being and putting a little more in for the 6870
November 27, 2011 4:33:51 PM

Go with the 6870. On board sound is decent these days so put the money into the GPU
November 27, 2011 5:55:37 PM

Is there nowhere you can steal old parts from, like CD/DVD drives?

I try to never buy new CD/DVD drives if I can avoid it.
November 27, 2011 6:03:13 PM

So far we've gone with parts in the OP.

Can we do better with alternative parts?

What would you like to spend?
November 28, 2011 3:16:03 PM

well i can squeeze out about 600 pound.But if there is anything that is very good for the money im happy to wait till like January where i might be able to get parts on the cheap or even save a bit more for a better upgrade.
November 28, 2011 5:16:48 PM

While I understand your preference to buy local I've never had a faulty/damaged part from online retailers. Luckily I live in a town with a Novatech
and Maplin/PcWorld.
Also, I've only recommended trusted suppliers I've bought from.
As in waiting for deals, it's a risky strategy. A month ago I was looking at a 955be for £87, now it's £100+ if you can find one.
But it's your money, therefore your call. I'll happily try to put together a good deal if you want.
November 28, 2011 6:47:09 PM

Right, here's your Bully "look what you could have won".

This is what I'd buy with your budget and smokes the original build.
Total is £603.70 with no soundcard and a cheaper case.

CPU: i5 2500k (overclocks so will last a while): £165
http://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B004FA8NX2/ref=asc_df_B004FA...

Cooler: Arctic Cooling Freezer 7: £16.24
http://www.ebuyer.com/176157-arctic-cooling-freezer-7-p...

Mobo: Gigabyte: £73.49
http://www.play.com/PC/PCs/4-/19766466/Gigabyte-SKT-115...

RAM: G-Skill RipjawsX 8Gb: £36.12
http://www.ebuyer.com/264750-g-skill-8gb-2x4gb-ddr3-160...

DVD R/W: Lite On 24x: £13.98
http://www.ebuyer.com/176026-liteon-ihas124-19-24x-dvd-...

Graphics: Sapphire HD6870: £132.90
http://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B004R7MTPQ/ref=asc_df_B004R7...

Hard Drive: Still the PCWorld: £79.99

PSU: BeQuiet 530W: £45.99
http://www.ebuyer.com/190751-be-quiet-530w-pure-power-p...

Case: NZXT Source 210 White: £39.99
http://www.ebuyer.com/278067-nzxt-source-210-elite-whit...













November 28, 2011 7:26:56 PM

I am not sure about the PSU in that last build suggestion.

I can't find an instance of a quality review site reviewing any of its products.

I even had a really difficult time trying to find a picture of the wattage label on the side of the PSU.

When I finally did find it, the result was pretty disappointing.

It was for a 530W version and had 28a on the 3.3 and and 30a on the 5v wires and 2x wires that were shown to be 20a each, but which have a combined total draw of 34a which means 6a of the potential 40 is completely wasted.

There is no reason for the 3.3v and 5v wires to be as high as they are nor any good reason that the 12vs should be capped as low as they are.

As long as people are using low end systems with video cards like a 4350 or 5450 they are probably fine, but I wouldn't trust this thing to power any video card that has a manufacturer suggested 430w available for the whole PC.

A 6870 and a 2500k together even without OCing is 25A out of the max 34 on the 530w PSU without even factoring in any other parts.

If it does happen, it will be because the system is squeezing by.
November 28, 2011 7:35:33 PM

Cheers Raiddinn,
I've seen lots of good reviews for BeQuiet over here. Maybe a European thing.
I've also seen poor reviews of the XFX, so 6 of one/ half a dozen of the other?
November 28, 2011 7:49:41 PM

The Antec High Current Gamer 520 has 4 less A on the 3.3v and 6 less A on the 5v and 6 more A on the 12v.

That is how a good PSU should be designed. ~20% more A where it is needed and ~14% less A wasted on the wrong rails.

If people want to use the BeQuiet ones, I don't mind, they just aren't designed like a good PSU is.
November 29, 2011 2:38:01 PM

longpig said:
Right, here's your Bully "look what you could have won".

This is what I'd buy with your budget and smokes the original build.
Total is £603.70 with no soundcard and a cheaper case.

CPU: i5 2500k (overclocks so will last a while): £165
http://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B004FA8NX2/ref=asc_df_B004FA...

Cooler: Arctic Cooling Freezer 7: £16.24
http://www.ebuyer.com/176157-arctic-cooling-freezer-7-p...

Mobo: Gigabyte: £73.49
http://www.play.com/PC/PCs/4-/19766466/Gigabyte-SKT-115...

RAM: G-Skill RipjawsX 8Gb: £36.12
http://www.ebuyer.com/264750-g-skill-8gb-2x4gb-ddr3-160...

DVD R/W: Lite On 24x: £13.98
http://www.ebuyer.com/176026-liteon-ihas124-19-24x-dvd-...

Graphics: Sapphire HD6870: £132.90
http://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B004R7MTPQ/ref=asc_df_B004R7...

Hard Drive: Still the PCWorld: £79.99

PSU: BeQuiet 530W: £45.99
http://www.ebuyer.com/190751-be-quiet-530w-pure-power-p...

Case: NZXT Source 210 White: £39.99
http://www.ebuyer.com/278067-nzxt-source-210-elite-whit...


That looks fantastic and im guessing after Christmas the price might drop like £50.I really like the processor and from what ive heard its one one the best for gaming.Is there any cases taht offer very good cooling as ive heard there ones such as a cool master and i will probably be getting a psu with more wattage.Thanks for the post :p 
November 29, 2011 3:07:02 PM

I really like the cpu cooler,it says it comes with pre applied thermal paste.Would this be adequate or would you suggest applying my own.I would hope this wouldn't need me to apply the paste as that is the big i really am nervous about doing :/ 
November 29, 2011 3:57:28 PM

I don't know why anyone would every try to pre apply paste unless the processor already comes pasted to the heat sink. AFAIK, the i5 2500k and the Arctic Cooling Freezer 7 generally are sold separately.

If the paste is pre-applied to the Freezer 7 without having the 2500k on it, then the paste will be completely wasted. The only way to avoid completely wasting paste is to apply it within about 30 seconds of attaching the heat sink.

I understand that this point is intimidating, but it is something you will have to brave if you intend to complete this process.

If the paste is pre-applied, you will have to scrape it off and put new on anyway because paste only has value when it dries connected to metal. If one side dries when connected to air then all the paste must be scraped off and re-applied.

http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/cooling-airflow-hea...

http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/cooling-air-pressur...

I have posted two links that will help you to better understand cooling (including thermal paste) and hopefully the knowledge gained therein will help ease some of the anxiety you are feeling when confronted with this process.

- Edit - Phraseology
November 29, 2011 8:56:26 PM

Raiddinn said:
I don't know why anyone would every try to pre apply paste unless the processor already comes pasted to the heat sink. AFAIK, the i5 2500k and the Arctic Cooling Freezer 7 generally are sold separately.

If the paste is pre-applied to the Freezer 7 without having the 2500k on it, then the paste will be completely wasted. The only way to avoid completely wasting paste is to apply it within about 30 seconds of attaching the heat sink.

I understand that this point is intimidating, but it is something you will have to brave if you intend to complete this process.

If the paste is pre-applied, you will have to scrape it off and put new on anyway because paste only has value when it dries connected to metal. If one side dries when connected to air then all the paste must be scraped off and re-applied.

http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/cooling-airflow-hea...

http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/cooling-air-pressur...

I have posted two links that will help you to better understand cooling (including thermal paste) and hopefully the knowledge gained therein will help ease some of the anxiety you are feeling when confronted with this process.

- Edit - Phraseology

Oh right how comes the idiots even bother pre applying it if its useless :/ 
November 29, 2011 9:30:09 PM

Well, I read a bunch of things where people asked in the question if they should get rid of the pre-applied stuff and put new on and I would say the general gist of what the responses were is that good paste is noticeably better (as much as 8c), but for the people that don't want to bother with it the pre applied stuff ... should... do ok.

That said, I will admit that it isn't completely useless. I would not, however, suggest you leave it on there. I would still suggest you put your own good stuff on there instead.
November 30, 2011 11:59:22 AM

Yeah im feeling better about doing in after looking at those pages and some videos.But i might try it without doing it myself without OC and see how i dose,then when i got decide to OC i might apply my own.
December 2, 2011 5:48:39 PM

I have a question, dose it matter what bit OS i get 32 or 64.I heard 64 faster so i should get that right?
December 2, 2011 5:52:12 PM

To use more than 3.5gb ram you need 64 bit OS
December 2, 2011 5:56:48 PM

Ahh so i will be wanting a 64bit :D 
Thanks for speedy post
December 3, 2011 3:06:45 AM

Before today, I used a Cooler Master 343 case. I had to buy a new one, because it was just not even close to up to the task of handling the new fanless video card I got today.

To be completely honest, I wasn't really that happy with the 343 in general. It was top mount PSU and too small for my tastes.

I don't think the 330 is much different from the 343, though YMMV.

I think you should pay a little more for a quality case like mine or an Antec 300 Illusion, or something else like that instead of taking a sub par generic case to save a few dollars.
December 3, 2011 2:18:35 PM

Raiddinn said:
Before today, I used a Cooler Master 343 case. I had to buy a new one, because it was just not even close to up to the task of handling the new fanless video card I got today.

To be completely honest, I wasn't really that happy with the 343 in general. It was top mount PSU and too small for my tastes.

I don't think the 330 is much different from the 343, though YMMV.

I think you should pay a little more for a quality case like mine or an Antec 300 Illusion, or something else like that instead of taking a sub par generic case to save a few dollars.


Oh right i was given the suggestion on the NXT 210 which looks pretty good but ill take a look at the antec.Thanks
December 3, 2011 2:40:35 PM

The NZXT 210 seems good enough just from looking at that link someone posted earlier.
December 3, 2011 5:23:46 PM

Seems fine, but a little big perhaps?

General
Brand: CM Storm
Item Height : 4.96 metres
Item Width: 2.20 metres
December 3, 2011 8:54:32 PM

I have heard good things about the Storm/Scout cases.

Antec Illusion 300 and Lian Li are other ones I have heard good things about. The Cooler Master HAF brand gets a lot of votes here too (912/922/932/X).

5 meters tall? I am like 2 meters tall myself, that is like 15 feet, 1 and a half stories. That would be one crazy case.
December 4, 2011 9:45:52 AM

longpig said:
Seems fine, but a little big perhaps?

General
Brand: CM Storm
Item Height : 4.96 metres
Item Width: 2.20 metres


Yeah it cant be that big it wouldn't even fit in my room, i think they made a little error :lol:  .I want a spacious case because then there's enough space for all the parts as well as tidying the wires and also space for good airflow.This will give me enough space i believe for what i need.
December 4, 2011 3:47:14 PM

CM is on to something though.

Imagine, that case that is 15 feet by 8 feet is larger than a lot of people's living spaces. They could buy one of those Storm Scout cases for like $60 and use it as a house. It would even come with built in heating and air conditioning through the use of fan throttling wires.

I need to get me one of those. I could waterproof the thing and use it as a shed in my back yard. If I wanted to buy something with those dimensions made of wood it would cost like $600 which is 10 times more.
December 4, 2011 4:09:14 PM

Lol, i swear all the dimensions are mucked up on Amazon.I mean i looked at the 6870 and it said like 4 millimetres by 17 millimetres :/ 
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