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February 29, 2012 5:30:54 AM

Looking for a cheap and significantly better CPU than the one i currently have.

Reasons: I'm not sure if it's my GPU or something else, but playing and loading games like battlefield 3 and starcraft can take some time. My fps drops to like 1 during large battles in starcraft 2 and i think my cpu is to blame for that. I also crash to desktop during battlefield 3 sometimes too.

OS: Windows Vista 32-bit
CPU: AMD Athlon(tm) 64 v2 Dual Core Processor 6000+ (2 CPU) ~3.1GHz
MB: MSI - MS-7309 --- MSI K9N6PGM2-V2 AM3/AM2+/AM2 NVIDIA GeForce 6150SE Micro ATX AMD Motherboard
Ram: 3070MB
Directx 10
GPU: 6770
PSU: Ultra LS500 Lifetime Series 500W Power Supply

Some CPUs im looking at are:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Feel free to make any recommendations or to post any advice.

-My motherboard says AM3/AM2+, does that mean it can't support AM3+ CPU models? Because I wanted to buy this one : http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

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February 29, 2012 5:42:26 AM

starcraft 2 is a cpu intensive game

http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/gaming-fx-pentium-a...

while battle field 3 relys heavily on the graphics card.

http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/battlefield-3-graph...

http://www.tomshardware.co.uk/battlefield-3-graphics-pe...

the amd phenom ii outperform the bulldozers in many gaming benchmark. if you are going to stick with amd, you should get the phenom ii x4 975 or 980

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

here is a cpu gamaing heirarchy chart
http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/gaming-cpu-overcloc...
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February 29, 2012 6:26:55 AM

bloojays23 said:
Looking for a cheap and significantly better CPU than the one i currently have.

Reasons: I'm not sure if it's my GPU or something else, but playing and loading games like battlefield 3 and starcraft can take some time. My fps drops to like 1 during large battles in starcraft 2 and i think my cpu is to blame for that. I also crash to desktop during battlefield 3 sometimes too.

OS: Windows Vista 32-bit
CPU: AMD Athlon(tm) 64 v2 Dual Core Processor 6000+ (2 CPU) ~3.1GHz
MB: MSI - MS-7309 --- MSI K9N6PGM2-V2 AM3/AM2+/AM2 NVIDIA GeForce 6150SE Micro ATX AMD Motherboard
Ram: 3070MB
Directx 10
GPU: 6770
PSU: Ultra LS500 Lifetime Series 500W Power Supply

Some CPUs im looking at are:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Feel free to make any recommendations or to post any advice.

-My motherboard says AM3/AM2+, does that mean it can't support AM3+ CPU models? Because I wanted to buy this one : http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

well i built a computer for someone i k know i used the $80 rana not the $85 if you really want the $85 one just overclock 100mhz is not worth $5, basicly there all the same if your motherboard supports core unlocking you can really get what you can out of the $80 one but he had issues with the pc for some reson it said 80c-95c when it was unclocked??????? i dont think thats right but you can get a new cooler for it other then that you can really save money by getting the $80 one well thats if it can unlock


well some am3 motherboards support am3+ with a bios update but some dont i would not try
anyway the fx 4100 might not be good in that price range i say the $80 ONe YAHH!!!!!!!! (REMEMBER there was overheating issues with unlocking the $80 one so buy a new fan if you unlock but i used stock cooling like the fan and heatsink and thermal paste so it might be one of them)


this should do http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
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February 29, 2012 7:49:20 AM

Try and get a phenom II whle they are still available. They will beat that 4100 snoozedozer hands down gaming. Theres a reason that 4100 is constantly on sale/with rebates/bundled with free stuff over there in the US and over here in the UK and its not because they want to give you a warm fuzzy feeling.
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February 29, 2012 7:51:19 AM

You are not compatible with any AM3+ CPUs.

AM2+/AM3 means it's AM2+ with some AM3 compatibility.

It is an AM2+ socket motherboard. <--period

http://www.msi.com/product/mb/K9N6PGM2-V2.html#/?div=CP...

^ Here is your CPU support list, and go for for a quad core Phenom II if it's in your budget. 960T would get my vote. Awesome value and upgrade at $125. Don't forget to overclock it (think about an aftermarket heatsink if you want a maximum overclock, however you should still get a good percentage of 20% higher clocks or more with stock cooling)! :) 

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

If you're gaming don't bother with 6 cores. <99% of games use <=3, and the ones that use more have a VERY small benefit. I wouldn't count on games needing more than 4 to get proper performance out of your GPU before you're wanting a new CPU. GPU tech is still growing at a faster and faster (and the AMD is becoming too slow for super high-end SLI/Crossfire GPU setups as it is) rate so expect some massive performance requirements in the not too distant future.

I will add, there is a possibility the 960t will unlock to a 6 core. Something to also consider. :) 

http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/phenom-ii-x4-960t-z...
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February 29, 2012 12:31:11 PM

your cpu is hugely a bottleneck.
Fx cpu are not compatible with your board.
game loves extra cache and thus phenom2 will be better, 955/965 (be sure to get c3 stepping with black edition) are good, also 960t.
February 29, 2012 11:41:37 PM

Raidur said:
You are not compatible with any AM3+ CPUs.

AM2+/AM3 means it's AM2+ with some AM3 compatibility.

It is an AM2+ socket motherboard. <--period

http://www.msi.com/product/mb/K9N6PGM2-V2.html#/?div=CP...

^ Here is your CPU support list, and go for for a quad core Phenom II if it's in your budget. 960T would get my vote. Awesome value and upgrade at $125. Don't forget to overclock it (think about an aftermarket heatsink if you want a maximum overclock, however you should still get a good percentage of 20% higher clocks or more with stock cooling)! :) 

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

If you're gaming don't bother with 6 cores. <99% of games use <=3, and the ones that use more have a VERY small benefit. I wouldn't count on games needing more than 4 to get proper performance out of your GPU before you're wanting a new CPU. GPU tech is still growing at a faster and faster (and the AMD is becoming too slow for super high-end SLI/Crossfire GPU setups as it is) rate so expect some massive performance requirements in the not too distant future.

I will add, there is a possibility the 960t will unlock to a 6 core. Something to also consider. :) 

http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/phenom-ii-x4-960t-z...


I was reading through some of the reviews and many people mentioned that they unlocked 6 cores and something about hextech. What exactly does that mean? I'm not computer savy, but I'm assuming it comes set stock to 4 cores and you can unlock it to 6 cores? I know that more cores=more multitasking but would that severely increase overheat and cause a need to buy an aftermarket heatsink/cooling thingy?

I'm not sure even how to begin the "overclocking" and "unlocking" process. This is my first time dealing with installing CPU and I'm looking through everything right now, such as PSU, and the thermal paste.

And $125 seems a little steep for my budget right now. I'm kinda stuck with college tuition,car and overpriced gas bills =\

I will keep the 960t and 980 in mind though,hopefully there is newegg through a deal on it.

Lastly, are there any major real-performance difference between the 960t and the 2 CPU i mentioned in my first post?
X3 455 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
X3 460 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
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March 1, 2012 7:00:29 AM

mcp61 (your board's chipset) may not have the features to unlock a cpu.
It will definately increase heat and power requirement and need of good cooling at high load.
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March 1, 2012 7:13:20 AM

Really for the sake of $40 you should stretch or save for the phenom II mate. There will be a noticeable difference on the old Athlons. I suspect an Athlon may leave you wanting another upgrade in the near future where as the phenom II should stretch out a few years.

If your Mobo supports core unlocking (or Advanced core calibration/name varies by maker) it will be a setting in the bios. Flicking this on while using a 960T will if the 2 dormant cores are stable make it show as a 6 core 1605T. At the 3.0GHZ stock clock this is ok on stock cooler even up to about 3.2GHZ 6 cores are fine on stock cooler. If you leave it at 4 cores as was previously mentioned is all thats really needed gaming you can normally make it to about 3.4GHZ on stock cooler. These figures vary though you need to watch the temps on yours and find the spot thats ok on stock. Thats plenty of speed for now i would imagine maybe at a later date when budget allows you can buy an aftermarket cooler and whack the OC up to 3.8 or 4.0GHZ.
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March 1, 2012 7:59:02 AM

bloojays23 said:
I was reading through some of the reviews and many people mentioned that they unlocked 6 cores and something about hextech. What exactly does that mean? I'm not computer savy, but I'm assuming it comes set stock to 4 cores and you can unlock it to 6 cores? I know that more cores=more multitasking but would that severely increase overheat and cause a need to buy an aftermarket heatsink/cooling thingy?

I'm not sure even how to begin the "overclocking" and "unlocking" process. This is my first time dealing with installing CPU and I'm looking through everything right now, such as PSU, and the thermal paste.

And $125 seems a little steep for my budget right now. I'm kinda stuck with college tuition,car and overpriced gas bills =\

I will keep the 960t and 980 in mind though,hopefully there is newegg through a deal on it.

Lastly, are there any major real-performance difference between the 960t and the 2 CPU i mentioned in my first post?
X3 455 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
X3 460 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...


Unlocking may add little heat, however the 6 cores from AMD have proven to be extremely efficient and tend to overclock as high or nearly as high as the quads. You'd have to test it out for yourself. Don't expect it to unlock the cores, there is reason (false cores) most of them are sold as quads.

The Phenom II series adds L3 into the mix, including the 960t being a Black Edition, meaning unlocked multiplier, likely higher overclocking headroom. (plus the chance of 6 core)
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March 1, 2012 10:15:35 AM

also msi k9n6pgm2-v2 may get damaged due to excessive load on vrm due to overclocking and unlocking(if possible, but i think that you need atleast nvidia630 or amd7xx series chipset to unlock cores) (as this is a budget board)
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