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November 28, 2011 1:14:15 PM

Hello all,

I am seeking some help in designing a new gaming rig. I have been using a laptop for a few years now due to constant travel, school, work, ect. I now have the opportunity to build another monster gaming rig, but i have been out of the desktop market for about 6 years now, and looking for some advice for a future proof gaming rig. I looked around for a decent build but could not find any recent build specs in the money range im looking. I did see the $2000 September mega build article. Is the information in that article still relevant?

Im also not sure on how to handle graphics cards. Alot of reviews i have read suggest staying with 580s in SLI, as they beat any 6990 or 690 as singles. What about sli/cross fire on the high end cards? Would the 1400 + cooling (as both cards run extremely hot) be worth the investment over the 680s?


Budget Range: ~$3000 before rebates

System Usage from Most to Least Important: Gaming, Work Client, surfing the internet, watching movies)

Parts Not Required: keyboard, mouse, monitor, speakers, OS

Preferred Website(s) for Parts: newegg.com, Microcenter store near by also

Country: United States

Parts Preferences: Intel i5/i7 (but i could be persuaded to AMD, have used before, based on performance)

Overclocking: Maybe

SLI or Crossfire: Yes

Monitor Resolution: 1920x1200

Additional Comments: Quitter the better without sacrificing performance. Often thought about liquid cooling.

Thank you for your help.

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November 28, 2011 1:32:39 PM

I would write a build here, but we I need to know you peripherals. Entertainement rigs costing 2k+ should have somewhat half of the money invested in peripherals(IMO ofc).

About liquid cooling yes or no? It is a decorative mainly addition(if well implemented can be very silent though), as you do not seem to me like a compulsive overclocker so an air cooling system will do great. If yes we would have to set aside 500dollars orso. Also it is quite some work, be prepared to spend time on it for me that would be a plus for you maybe a con?

So would you be so kind to give a full list of peripherals?
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November 28, 2011 1:52:48 PM

Hi Somebody,

No im not really an compulsive overclocker, as for peripherals:

Mouse & Keyboard: Logitech mx5000 mouse and keyboard
Speakers: Logitech Z-680

Monitors: 2 ASUS ML248H 24" 2ms Full HD HDMI Swivel & Tilt Adjustable LED Backlight LCD Monitor Slim Design 250 cd/m2 ASCR 10,000,000:1

- i have not bought this monitor yet though, They are on my x-mas list, and outside of the budget set forth for this computer. I would be open to monitor suggestions. Looking to get 2 monitors for in the range of $500 total.

I would also like the possibility to add a 3rd monitor at a later date (most likely a 19 inch dell monitor, I do not know the specification other then its a 19 inc 1280 x 1024 monitor, awaiting to receive it from my parents)

Printer: HP Photosmart c6200 networked printer/scanner/copier

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November 28, 2011 2:02:01 PM

I putting something together now will post back in several minutes
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November 28, 2011 2:28:22 PM

Here it is:

Core:

CPU: i7 2600k(I see no other option here): http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

GPU: 590 gtx: it's slower than 580 sli but it is much cheaper and it's 1 card. Do not expect this to clock as high as 2 580s though http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Ram: any good 8gb+ kit will do tbh, but at this price 16gb of corsair isn't exactly an investement. http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Mobo: You can get a good mobo like this: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

or go all out: gigabyte ud7, maximus IV extreme, evga FTW

PSU: I've had this discussion many times. 850w will do get 1kw if you are feeling unsafe. I reccomend corsair ax series. Not the cheapest, but in this budget a worthy investement. http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Not so much core:

case: own and love it: lian li a71f: before we go deeper into cases tell me what style you like as tastes differ. http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Now what will make your pc fast: SSD: A duo of these maybe?(in raid0 of course) http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

powered of this http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

As for HDD: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

So I haven't been keeping percise track, but that should be around 2,5k

With the rest I would suggest getting a sound card, good headphones and gaming kb + mouse(yours are already good, but in this budget you want the best, it is worth the money I tell you!)

my 2 cents
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November 28, 2011 3:48:33 PM

Hi Somebody,

Thanks for the computer list, it will be very helpful. I do have a few questions however.




Case: Never really been a simplistic case man, he he he. Would either of these two work


http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811129100

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811119213

Ive used cooler master in the past, and ive heard of antec. Ive always liked the ability to see into the middle of my case.


GPU: If i wanted to make the investment for 2 580s what would you suggest? Ive always wanted to SLI sense the technology was invented. And from most reviews ive seen it seems that 2 580s over a 590 is a sound investment. What do you think?

Also, I do not see a CPU cooler here, do you have a suggestion for a cooler for the I7? Or have the factory coolers improved 10fold? (i know last time i built a machine they where pretty much crap)


Thank you for your help :) 
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November 28, 2011 5:25:59 PM

Case: Like I said it's a matter of opinions, look at respected brands like cooler master, antec, they are all worth their money. The ones you linked are good bang for buck, if you like their looks go for it although I reccomend seeing them in real life first. Also I don't like windows, so yeah if you want aesthetic advice on cases I'm not your guy :p .

GPU: Well they are both worth their money. IMO they are both pretty overkill, If I were to spend the money on a pc like that I would get the 590 and watercool it. It may be slower overall, but it is much nicer/cooler/quieter. Then again I am not your guy on aesthetics.

As for a CPU cooler I knew I forgot something ^^. I use a noctua d14 it's the best air cooler also one of the quietest. If you air cool I definately reccomend it. And yes stock coolers have improved, but they still suck lol.

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November 28, 2011 7:55:40 PM

If you want the best type of cooling, then I would recommend the Corsair H100, if you want to go all out. To make it efficient though, I would implement a push and pull system, which consists of 4 fans. In order to do this though, you would need to get a decent sized case; the HAF X is very good, and so is the Corsair 850D.

In terms of GPU, two 580s in a SLI configuration would do you better than a single 590. You'll be able to keep up with games that come out in the next 5 or so years at very high FPS.
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November 28, 2011 8:54:31 PM

The h100 is a worthy solution. For me however a big hunk of metal like a d14 just has some kind of finesse to it. Keep in mind that at this performance level without extreme OC in mind performance is actually not so important. Also pump noise and all that can be irritating, and hunks of metal are ussually more reliable than a water cooling system. That being said the h100 is a very good cooler.

It all depends on whether you want to make this a project of making an amazing rig like say this:

http://www.youtube.com/user/TimeToLiveCustoms#p/u/3/miP...

If you wish to make it a "project" like that I reccomend full watercooling and a modable case. If however you just want a working computer that is silent get a d14 and a case you like and that would be the end of it.

As for 580gtx sli vs 590gtx. The problem is no-one cares whether it can handle every existing games 5 times or 6 times. I bought my 470gtx for 375euros A little over a year and a half ago, now similar performance costs under 200euros. A single 580 can handle anything you throw at it now(if we are talking games anyways and standard resolutions). Crysis despite it's age is heaviest game I have ever played on pc(and trust me I have played many lol). When dx11 consoles are released, probably in 2014, the scene may change, but untill then it seems like games will not be any harder to run than current games. It's like asking whether you need to buy a 660hp ferrari or 790hp ferrari when the speed limit is 70mph(assuming acceleration is the same and they both achieve 70mph of course), it's a strange question to say the least. So why invest now in games that may or may not be released after 2014 when prices can easily half every 2 years?

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December 9, 2011 2:46:35 PM

Hey All,

Wanted to post a "finalized" list of components for this build for a last double check. Thank you for all the suggestions. Please let me know what you think:


Case: NZXT Phantom PHAN-002OR Newegg Exclusive Black Finish w/Orange Trim Steel / Plastic Enthusiast ATX Full Tower Computer Case
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811146073


Motherboard: ASUS P8Z68-V PRO/GEN3 LGA 1155 Intel Z68 HDMI SATA 6Gb/s USB 3.0 ATX Intel Motherboard with UEFI BIOS
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813131790

-- Correct me if i am wrong, but seeming how this is the upgraded version of the P8Z68-V with 2 SATA 6 Gb/s channels, the above:

HighPoint Rocket 620 PCI-Express 2.0 x1 SATA III (6.0Gb/s) Controller Card- http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16816115072&nm_mc=AFC-C8Junction&cm_mmc=AFC-C8Junction-_-RSSDailyDeals-_-na-_-na&AID=10521304&PID=4176827&SID=hcjcs0ow66o9

Is no longer required?

GPU: 2 x EVGA 03G-P3-1584-AR GeForce GTX 580 (Fermi) 3072MB 384-bit GDDR5 PCI Express 2.0 x16 HDCP Ready SLI Support Video Card
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814130655

PSU: Rosewill LIGHTNING Series LIGHTNING-1000 1000W Continuous @50°C,80 PLUS GOLD Certified,Pipe-rock Modular Design,Single +12V Rail,ATX12V v2.3/EPS12V v2.92,SLI Ready,CrossFire Ready,Active- PFC ,Fan LED color switch Power Supply
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817182239

-- I am under the impression, based on reading PSU reviews and Nvidia's PSU rating system, that the above 850w would not provide enough power for the entire system under load.

CPU: Intel Core i7-2600K Sandy Bridge 3.4GHz (3.8GHz Turbo Boost) LGA 1155 95W Quad-Core Desktop Processor Intel HD Graphics 3000 BX80623I72600K
Memory: CORSAIR Vengeance 16GB (4 x 4GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1600 (PC3 12800) Desktop Memory Model CML16GX3M4A1600C9
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

SSD: 2x (Raid 0)Corsair Force Series 3 CSSD-F120GB3A-BK 2.5" 120GB SATA III Internal Solid State Drive (SSD)
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

HDD: Seagate Barracuda ST1000DM003 1TB 7200 RPM 64MB Cache SATA 6.0Gb/s 3.5" Internal Hard Drive -Bare Drive
Front 140mm Fan: AeroCool Shark 140mm Red, Red LED Case Fan
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16835129061

Top 200mm (190mm realistically): NZXT FS-200RB-RLED 200mm SILENT Red LED Fan with ON/OFF Switch
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16835146006

Totaling around ~$2800

I have a few left over questions i was wondering if someone would mind answering.

As i have never SLIed before, and I am really looking forward to it. Does the current case+fan configuration allow for amply cooling with this hi-end SLI configuration? I am looking at putting the 140 up front, and adding another 200 to the top. Anyone have a suggestion for an intake/outtake configuration? I was thinking 140mm and the two 120s on the side as intake and the rest as exhaust.

I will be attempting to mount the h100 under the 2 200mm fans, using the supplied brackets. using the 200mm in a pull configuration.


If anyone has any suggestions on how to improving this build before I would be very appreciative.


Thank you for your help
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December 10, 2011 4:02:48 AM

I don't want to discourage you, but I think that with the budget you're working with you've made some less than conventional choices.

If you can hold off for a few more weeks I think an LGA2011/X79 (3930K) build paired with AMD 7xxx series would be the ideal solution here.

There's a great article floating around concerning sli/crossfire and microstuttering issues associated with these setups. Read it. If you're still deadset on it consider going with a 3x card solution which seems to eliminate the issue. If you have to buy something today then a 6870x2 + 6870 seems to be the way to go.

I'd also recommend doing a touch more research into cases and more importantly power supplies. While NZXT makes a nice looking case, they're also known to be poorly constructed and airflow constrictive. As for the PSU, it's the one part of a pc that you should never under any circumstances roll the dice with. When the PSU goes, as cheap ones often will, it can take with it all $3000 worth of parts with it. Stick with brands that have rock solid reputations: Corsair, PC Power & Cooling, Seasonic, Silverstone, ABS, Antec (careful here as while they make great psu's some are case specific).


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December 10, 2011 12:35:19 PM

a4mula said:
I don't want to discourage you, but I think that with the budget you're working with you've made some less than conventional choices.

If you can hold off for a few more weeks I think an LGA2011/X79 (3930K) build paired with AMD 7xxx series would be the ideal solution here.

There's a great article floating around concerning sli/crossfire and microstuttering issues associated with these setups. Read it. If you're still deadset on it consider going with a 3x card solution which seems to eliminate the issue. If you have to buy something today then a 6870x2 + 6870 seems to be the way to go.

I'd also recommend doing a touch more research into cases and more importantly power supplies. While NZXT makes a nice looking case, they're also known to be poorly constructed and airflow constrictive. As for the PSU, it's the one part of a pc that you should never under any circumstances roll the dice with. When the PSU goes, as cheap ones often will, it can take with it all $3000 worth of parts with it. Stick with brands that have rock solid reputations: Corsair, PC Power & Cooling, Seasonic, Silverstone, ABS, Antec (careful here as while they make great psu's some are case specific).


HI A4mula,


Thanks for your input. I was a little worried about the powersupply after putting it up here last night. From a powersupply perspective, remaining with a gold standard would be the best choice correct? The only other coursair gold standard is a 1200w powersupply that seems over kill. I will look into the other ones you mentioned.

As for micro-stuttering, from all the research ive done on this subject (before even looking into SLI) it appears to me that micro-stuttering affects the lower end SLI cards, I havnt came across a review where people noticed it using anything higher then a 570. Do you have any articles that contradict that?

Im a tad bit confused about the NZXT phantom case... All the reviews ive seen on it suggest that is has superb airflow, give the fact that you configure the fans correctly. Do you have any articles that suggest otherwise? I havnt been able to find any.

Thanks
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December 11, 2011 2:10:35 PM

First of all don't drop the raid controller. On-board raid controllers are cheap and ussually nowhere near the performance of dedicated raid controllers. And besides a dedicated raid controller isn't exactly expensive.

As for a power supply here is a top end power supply perfectly suiting your needs http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

As for waiting for the new generation. If you don't need the system now you can wait otherwise I wouldn't however. AMD 7xxx are said to be shipped in January which isn't THAT soon. And intel x79 is I think not exactly what you need, so far it's only got hexa-cores which isn't optimal for everyday computing. I bought x58 back in the day and I haven't yet found a reason for not having bought p55 there is some class about having a top end platform but in the end as a consumer you better stick with consumer products. X79 is more oriented towards CPU heavy, ram heavy proggrams with many threads. If I am not mistaken you don't run those.

As for the case. I would get a far more premium case than that in this build. You're getting a premium rig, would only be fitting if you get a premium case. I'd look in the 200+ range. I can't really help you any further because you've mentioned that our tastes differ. And The phantom is good case, however you will need to add fans. It has good airflow but not neccesarily in stock configuration.
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December 11, 2011 2:47:24 PM

i agree with somebody_007... i would look at better more expensive cases at this kind of budget... since everyone tastes are different... so if i gt the money i will 100% lean towards this one...

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

it also available in windowed version... this case has an unique layout that excels in cooling and its design which simple yet elegant...

as for psu... this model is well worth considering... ecspecially after rebate...

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

as if you're using that cases... it is not compatible with h100... instead... u can get this...

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

and finally... i would get an i5 2500k since i7 2600k won't do any better than i5 2500k in most games...
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