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October 2, 2011 3:27:46 PM

Hello,

I am building a new gaming pc and was going to get a GTX570 but am now doubting my decision. Here is the thing, I would like my build to last as long as possible but will use it on a 1080p tv and don't plan on changing that anytime soon.

So I'll be using my rig on a 32" 1920x1080.

I'd like to know what would be the best price/performance choice at the moment and for the future too. I've looked into GTX460, GTX560ti, GTX570, 6950 1GB and 2GB, 6970 1GB and 2GB and I keep changing my mind all the time.

I'd need advices on what to get right now in order for my rig to be able to run games for the next few years.

Thanks

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a c 214 U Graphics card
October 2, 2011 3:31:48 PM

As of right now for high performance gaming I think the GTX570 has the best performance to cost ratio.The cheapest one as of now goes for $310 and it has a MIR to make it $260.

What is your budget?

What are your full system specs?(CPU,RAM,etc.)

What is the make/model of your PSU?
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October 2, 2011 3:44:27 PM

My budget is anywhere up to maybe 350$ if it is worth it but if with what I'm looking to do I can spend less then I'll be happy too since I'm not rolling on money.

CPU : i2500k
Ram : 9-9-9-24 8GB
PSU : OCZ 850w gold certified
MoBo : z68 extreme3 gen3
I'll be using a 400r case with good ventilation.

I like the Asus DCII and the msi twin frozr (whatever the card gen) so I will probably go with one of those but as for the DCII I'm not sure if it would be a good choice since they are 3 slots wide for most gens so I'm not sure that it would work for future Xfire with my MoBo. if need be

But that's what I'm confused about. With the resolution I'm aiming for, I don't know if any card would be an overkill since I don't want to pay for something I won't ever use, but on the other hand I don't want to save 20$ now and have to waste 150$ extra later.

I've been reading a lot and from what I see the card prices look like they didn't drop in a very very very long time, I'm under the impression I could have get the same gtx 570 for like 5$ more 8 months ago so I'm wondering what's up with that too.

When I say I change my mind all the time I really mean it, I pretty much spent the entire week-end and the last doing that. If I had work all the time I spent trying to make my mind I could have paid for most half of my rig with the money I would have make =D
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a c 254 U Graphics card
October 2, 2011 3:49:53 PM

If you post a question for help like the previous poster said you have to list your components and what your budget might be. Without that info I would be inclined to recomend a GTX 580 simply because it's the best right now and if you want to get a card that will last a number of years before upgrading I usually go with the top model.

EVGA 03G-P3-1584-AR GeForce GTX 580 (Fermi) 3072MB 384-bit GDDR5 PCI Express 2.0 x16 HDCP Ready SLI Support Video Card $589.99

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

I would go with this model because it comes with 3gb of video ram , and I know a lot of people are going to say you don't need 3gb because you don't use it but we also don't know what games will be coming out next year or the year after that and at some point a game will come out or a monitor will come out and the 3gb will make a difference. You can say that the 3gb is a sort of future proof option. Evga is also a great company and they stand behind thier products and they warrenty thier cards for life. They also have a nice stepup program so that if within 90 days they release a new card you can upgrade and they will give you credit for your trade in. Of course in the end it is your money and your choice.
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a b U Graphics card
October 2, 2011 4:04:53 PM

purple stank you are right but the 6950 is also a good gpu and its also unclock to 6970 so 6950 is best solution for games no doubt.
www.anandtech.com/bench/Product/331?vs=306

but gtx570 rocks and take advantage over 6950
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a c 214 U Graphics card
October 2, 2011 4:05:22 PM

I do the same thing.Back when I was trying to decide which case and CPU cooler to get.One day I would go with this and the next that.Lol took me a while to finally decide but what did it is pure numbers.I went with the Thmeraltake Frio because it's one of the best cooler without having to pay $80.

Maybe you should look at benchmarks of the cards your interested in and the games you play.If you list some of the games you play i'll go ahead and look at the benchmarks for you.

At 1080p your going to want a fast card but you don't need more than 1G of VRAM.It really depends what type of fps you like.Some play a 60fps and some 30fps.

Asus and MSI make some of the best aftermarket cooling solutions so it's a good idea to get a card from them.I would go with the Twin Frozr though because like you said the Asus cards take up 3 slots.Only on certain Asus boards can you use them in SLI.
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a c 214 U Graphics card
October 2, 2011 4:06:28 PM

pro-gamer said:
purple stank you are right but the 6950 is also a good gpu and its also unclock to 6970 so 6950 is best solution for games no doubt.
www.anandtech.com/bench/Product/331?vs=306

but gtx570 rocks and take advantage over 6950


I've heard a lot about the 6950 flashing thing and it's not a sure thing.And I've also heard that some cards will void the warranty if you mess up on flashing it.
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a b U Graphics card
October 2, 2011 4:11:33 PM

I vote for the gtx 570, its your best buy for 260 AR imho
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October 2, 2011 4:19:14 PM

TBH I don't have a specific game I play more then any other I pretty much play anything and everything until I get bored and change.

About what was said about getting a 580 3GB, It's a too pricey for me but should I then consider a 6790 2GB if i want something future-proof ?

I really want a card that will do well overall at 1920x1080 and I don't really notice that much of a difference between 30 and 60 fps. There is absolutely one, I'm just saying I don't notice it that much so I guess what my real question is would be : What card can I expect to be the best overall card for some time even if it means i need to SLI/Xfire at some point.

As for 6950 > 6970 I don't consider it anymore that was the original plan last week but I think there is less and less cards on the market right now with which it would work (most are laser cut now so you can't expect good results from what I understand). I don't want to have to gamble now and gamble again if i decide to xifre later hoping to get an uncheckable card.

I also read that the 7000 series should come out soon, does that mean that if I buy now I'll pay 150$ more then if I wait 2 weeks extra ?

I don't want to wait but if it means substantial economies I guess I could consider that too.
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a c 214 U Graphics card
October 2, 2011 5:29:58 PM

Don't go for the 6970.The GTX570 performs almost the same as the 6970 for much less.Granted it doesn't have the extra gig of VRAM but it won't matter much at your current resolution.

The GTX570 will be the best performance to cost ratio for now.And you can always SLI to get increased performance.

If you can wait then it probably would be a good idea to wait for the new cards since they are supposed to be better.But still they won't be here for a while.I'm guessing Q1 2012 at best.
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October 2, 2011 5:48:22 PM

purple stank said:
Don't go for the 6970.The GTX570 performs almost the same as the 6970 for much less.Granted it doesn't have the extra gig of VRAM but it won't matter much at your current resolution.

The GTX570 will be the best performance to cost ratio for now.And you can always SLI to get increased performance.

If you can wait then it probably would be a good idea to wait for the new cards since they are supposed to be better.But still they won't be here for a while.I'm guessing Q1 2012 at best.



For the models I'm looking for, the prices are almost the same

Msi Twin frozr III 570 AR : 349$
Asus DCII 6970 2GB AR : 359$ for some reason the rebate doesnt show up on the site but I do see a 20$ rebate on this chart from Asus unless I'm missing something Asus promotion center

And as for waiting for the new cards I was mostly referring to waiting for the prices of 6XXX to drop since I won't be able to afford the 7XXX anyway. If I wait then should I expect the prices of the 6XXX to drops by 100$ or should I expect a marginal drop.
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October 2, 2011 6:01:32 PM

purple stank said:
When the 6850/6870 was released it took at least 4 months for the prices to drop for the 5850.

Then it really depends on which one you prefer.The GTX570 and 6970 perform exactly the same.

Here's some benchmarks:

http://www.guru3d.com/article/radeon-6950-6970-review/2...

http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/HIS/Radeon_HD_6970/8...

Techpowerup has a lot more games tested.


Then is supposing getting a 2GB 6970 would make my rig more future proof then getting a 1.2GB 570 a good assumption ?

On the other hand, is there a way I could find out if 2x3 slots would fit in a extreme3 gen3 because I looked around and did not find a definitive answer and on top of it.

Is considering CFX 6970x2 in the future even realistic and efficient ?
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a c 229 U Graphics card
October 2, 2011 6:05:26 PM

This is an easy one ..... just look at the numbers:

Guru3D uses the following games in their test suite, COD-MW, Bad Company 2, Dirt 2, Far Cry 2, Metro 2033, Dawn of Discovery, Crysis Warhead. Total fps (summing fps in each game @ 1920 x 1200) for the various options in parenthesis (single card / SL or CF) are tabulated below along with their cost in dollars per frame single card - CF or SLI:

$ 240.00 6950 (479/751) $ 0.50 - $ 0.64
$ 260.00 6950 Frozr OC (484/759) $ 0.54 - $ 0.69
$ 205.00 560 Ti (455/792) $ 0.45 - $ 0.52
$ 360.00 6970 (526/825) $ 0.68 - $ 0.87
$ 220.00 560 Ti - 900 Mhz (495/862) $ 0.44 - $ 0.51
$ 320.00 570 (524/873) $ 0.61 - $ 0.73
$ 480.00 580 (616/953) $ 0.78 - $ 1.01
$ 725.00 6990 (762/903) $ 0.95 - $ 1.61
$ 750.00 590 (881/982) $ 0.79 - $ 1.43

In a single card configuration, the 560 Ti (900MHz) costs ya 44 cents per frame, only other card below 50 cents is the reference 560 Ti. In SLI, the cost is 51 cents per frame and besides the reference 560 Ti, the closest card is way up at 64 cents per frame. Whereas ya might think ya would get a non factory overclocked version and OC it yaself, that doesn't work as good nowadays when manufacturers are "binning" their products, equipping the factory OC'd ones w/ oversize coolers and other design changes. I have been able to successfully OC 7 outta 8 Asus models to hit 1000MHz w/o touching any voltage adjustments, the 8th went to 1000 w/ just a single notch bump. And it's a 2 slot card, not a 3.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Also notice that for $440, the twin 900 MHz 560 Ti's score 862 fps......40% higher than a single 580 which costs $40 more ..... and 100 fps (13%) more than the 6990 which is $285 more. The 570 and 6970 are worth considering.....at 61 cents and 68 cents per frame but when paired, the 900 MHz 560 beats the 6970 by 9% and comes within 11 fps of the 570. The 570 tho isn't all that great an oc'er. Again, that's all at 1920 x 1200, ..... at 2560 x 1600, I'd get the 6970.

As for the RAM, it's nota function of "the game" but a function of the resolution of the monitor you are using. Look for 2GB models at 2560 x 1600.
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a c 214 U Graphics card
October 2, 2011 6:09:23 PM

They both seem to fare the same in Crossfire and SLI.Really depends which game your playing.But I would agree that paying the same price as the GTX570 but you get more VRAM is the better choice and maybe a bit of futureproofing.

http://www.hardocp.com/article/2011/01/11/amd_69706950_...


The only problem I see is that the 6970 consumes about 40 more watts.

More Benchmarks and Raw data

http://www.hwcompare.com/9020/geforce-gtx-570-vs-radeon...


Are you asking if x2 3 sloted cards will fit in your mobo?
Which mobo do you have?

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October 2, 2011 6:21:02 PM

purple stank said:
Is this the mobo you are talking about?

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

If so then yes it will support the 3 slotted cards for SLI/Crossfire.


Yes that's my mobo, but when I look at it I'm wondering, wouldn't the 2nd card go off the board at the bottom and would they be so close that they would reach sky-high temps ?

After reading JackNaylorPE's comment I'm back to square one, is getting a 560ti a better choice ?

See how I'm going back and forth all the time =D
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a b U Graphics card
October 2, 2011 9:09:52 PM

Id go for a cheaper 570 or a really nice ti (like the one I have) Asus DC2 or msi tf3 and clock it to high hell and that will truely be your best bang for your buck bc the thing will be neck and neck with the 570 99% of the time and your will have saved a good chunk of change, my 2 cents, I was faced with the same predicament when I had to replace my first 570 when I gave it to my cousin (damn family) I chose a 560ti and with a nice oc I cannot tell a difference between that and my former 570 at stock... No point in getting a 6970 for the money imo....
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October 2, 2011 9:36:53 PM

Buy a cheap gtx 560 and wait for kepler that will be released mid of 2012 :sol: 
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a c 214 U Graphics card
October 2, 2011 11:10:56 PM

Your budget allows it so I would say go with the GTX570.And don't even bother with the Asus ones.The Twin Frozr's can deliver the same if not better temps than the DirectCU without taking up that extra slot.

Yes because they are so close the top card will experience higher temps but that perfectly normal for a SLI setup,but that's only if you go with the DirectCU triple slot cards.
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a b U Graphics card
October 3, 2011 12:08:47 AM

570 in a vote of envy
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October 3, 2011 12:40:11 AM

I have the 6950 2GB card and this is a great card!!! When i run Black Ops @ 1920x1080 everything at max. I get 125-400fps but it stays stable at 160fps. Now when I do Eyefinity @ 5760x1080 I get a stable 125 fps. Now this does make a difference w/ the rest of your system. Example: My old PC which had the Phenom II 920 ran this card also but i got a minimum of 60fps. I rebuilt this system w/ a I7 2600K CPU and like I said my FPS jumped way up. So also goes by the rest of the other hardware.
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a c 214 U Graphics card
October 3, 2011 12:57:56 AM

Call of Duty is hardly a demanding game.
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October 3, 2011 1:09:51 AM

If you can wait a little, the next generation cards will be available in Q 2012, and they're guaranteed to offer vastly improved performance.
If that's too long of a wait, the GTX 570 is your best bet right now.
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a b U Graphics card
October 3, 2011 12:55:48 PM

Azt3ck said:
I have the 6950 2GB card and this is a great card!!! When i run Black Ops @ 1920x1080 everything at max. I get 125-400fps but it stays stable at 160fps. Now when I do Eyefinity @ 5760x1080 I get a stable 125 fps. Now this does make a difference w/ the rest of your system. Example: My old PC which had the Phenom II 920 ran this card also but i got a minimum of 60fps. I rebuilt this system w/ a I7 2600K CPU and like I said my FPS jumped way up. So also goes by the rest of the other hardware.



black ops is probably one of the worst games to gauge performance.... of all time!!!! lol jk but seriously cod is dx9 dribble not to mention that black ops was a blunder when it came to optimization being that it runs shittier than any of the other cod games and offers the same graphics

Why not try playing a demanding game like the witcher 2, crysis2, or metro 2033 and watch your 6950 cry a little bit, furthermore the i72600k is a complete waste for gaming, while the i52500k would have been a much better buy, also why would you need a minimum higher than 60 fps if you have a 60hz monitor, this is not making much sense overall please explain yourself
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