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January 7, 2013 3:05:59 AM

Okay fellas I'm ready to bang my head in to the wall...

Here's my story. I've been doing a fair amount of research on build a custom rig for myself. And it seems the more I research the hard the decision are to make. I'm tossed between a Workstation (Favoring) or a Gaming system. But in the end I am after filthy dirty speed for a system that will be doing the following things:

1. Programming
2. Graphic Design (photoshop, fireworks, etc...)
3. Web development (Dreamweaver etc...)
4. 3D Max & Maya Development
5. Video Editing (Sony Vega, etc...)
6. Flash Development

I'm trying to come up with a budget but I think I could do around the $5K mark if need to go a touch higher I would consider it. I need help on what direction I should go, what parts would be best and how I can build a killer system for under or around that budget. I am also leaning more towards a workstation as I don't really do much gaming in general and it seems applications above do better with a workstation then a gaming rig. Besides, If I want to game I'll play XBox.

Here is a laundry list of things I am thinking/looking at. Could you please give me your expertise and thoughts on what would give me a stupid fast system that could handle all of the above especially rendering stuff.

Motherboard:

EVGA Classified SR-X 270-SE-W888-KR LGA 2011 Intel C606 SATA 6Gb/s USB 3.0 HPTX Intel Motherboard

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Comments: Does it pay to have a duel processor board and does max and other applications take advantage of it?

Processors:

2 x Intel BX80614E5649 Xeon E5649 Processor - 6 Core, 2.53GHz, LGA 1366, 5.86 GT/s Intel QPI, 12MB Cache, 64-Bit, 80W, HyperThreading

http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/ite...

Comments: Am I better served to go with 2 x Intel Core i7-3770K instead of the Xeon processor to cut some cost without losing a ton of power but how would that effect the applications (performance, reliability etc...)?

Memory:

32GB CORSAIR Dominator Platinum

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Graphics Card:

This is the tough part... I would love to just get a Quadro 6k but don't have 4k :(  So what could I do here that would give me really high render speeds as well as work with the above software and stuff?

I was thinking of doing the 2 x Quadro 4000 in SLI mode but I thought I read somewhere that the Quadro's don't support SLI is that correct? Or I can try and spring for one Quadro 5K if SLI wont work.

Quadro 4000: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Quadro 5000: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...


Not so worried about the other parts coolers, cases, etc... I will deal with that later. I just wanted to touch on the main parts CPU, GPU and memory. I will be using SSD Drives in a Raid 0 that I know.


Final Comments:

Again I am doing research and learning so I am new to some of this. However I am open to any suggestions, comments or equipment that you think would get me what I am after which is a very fast workstation. If you have any questions please ask.

Thanks,

Frank G.
January 7, 2013 3:15:44 AM

In addition fellas, I also want the power and very fast speeds to help me be more productive. So if I need to render a 3d max clip I can have a computer be able to do that as well as be able to open Dreamweaver and do web work while rendering in the background. Thanks again!!
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January 7, 2013 3:16:11 AM

Well. 3770k doesn't fit in the 2011 socket. so that's a no go. and there aren't any twin 1055 socket based motherboards i think.

Closest to the 3770k you suggested would be 3930k. ($500ish) which is also six core + hyperthreading @ 3.2 ghz
The memory you have is non ECC memory so there is no point in getting Xeon processors. So i would recommend the 2x 3930k over the Xeons. And for your purposes, ECC memory would not be beneficial at all.


Quadro 5000 offers roughly 30-50% performance boost over the Quadro 4000. But costs $1000 more... and as far as i know, you can't put two cards in one computer.
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January 7, 2013 3:31:24 AM

killerhurtalot said:
Well. 3770k doesn't fit in the 2011 socket. so that's a no go. and there aren't any twin 1055 socket based motherboards i think.

Closest to the 3770k you suggested would be 3930k. ($500ish) which is also six core + hyperthreading @ 3.2 ghz
The memory you have is non ECC memory so there is no point in getting Xeon processors. So i would recommend the 2x 3930k over the Xeons. And for your purposes, ECC memory would not be beneficial at all.


Quadro 5000 offers roughly 30-50% performance boost over the Quadro 4000. But costs $1000 more... and as far as i know, you can't put two cards in one computer.


Hello Killer,

Thank you for your reply. Sorry about the 3770K mistake again I'm learning. From what your saying buying Xeon really don't have any benefit to what I will be doing. Is this correct? In general would I be better to buy Xeon's with ECC memory?

As for the 3930K would there be a benefit to getting a duel board for the 3930K and can that be done?

Well the main thing is I have four 24inch monitors will the Quadro be able to work with Four monitors or do I need to setup two plus gpu's in sli configuration and if so what are good graphics cards to do that with that might be comparable with the Quadro 5k?

And lastly, if you have a $5K budget what would you build (Motherboard, CPU, GPU and Memory) to do 3d modeling, rendering, graphic design, web dev, video editing and programming and why?

Thanks again for the help!!
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January 7, 2013 3:49:14 AM

I'd expect the 3930k to be a lot faster than the Xeons you had purely because of the way higher clock speed (3.2ghz vs 2.5ghz)

And if you get a X79 based motherboard (with 2 sockets) you can also get two good CPU coolers and overclock them to 4.2+ ghz

The problem with the card is that the Quadro 5000 and Quadro 6000 can only support TWO monitors (up to 2560x1600 each) even though it has 4 outputs. So you have a problem there.

And with a 5k budget. I really don't know. you can pretty much do everything (except getting a quadro 6000 lol)

And it's a problem with dual 3930k builds... cause x79 dual cpu motherboards are kind of a bitch to find.
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January 7, 2013 4:04:55 AM

killerhurtalot said:
I'd expect the 3930k to be a lot faster than the Xeons you had purely because of the way higher clock speed (3.2ghz vs 2.5ghz)

And if you get a X79 based motherboard (with 2 sockets) you can also get two good CPU coolers and overclock them to 4.2+ ghz

The problem with the card is that the Quadro 5000 and Quadro 6000 can only support TWO monitors (up to 2560x1600 each) even though it has 4 outputs. So you have a problem there.



Well that's depressing seeing that the Quadro got such great reviews for 3d modeling and what not. Lets start here...

1. What should I be putting most of my money in Motherboard and CPU or the GPU?

2. Is it better to have two so so processes on a board or one high-end processor on a board?

3. Is 3930k the fastest processor out there? What about these Extremer processes like the i7-3960X is faster or worth the money?

3. Now that the Quadro can only do two monitors what can I do to get very fast rendering speeds yet keeping all four monitors running. How are the ATI FireGL Lines or what if I did an setup an SLI configuration but what GPU's are good that would run along the Quadro lines or better?

Any thoughts or suggestions? Thanks again for all your help and time!
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January 7, 2013 4:47:21 AM

Knuckles2002 said:
Well that's depressing seeing that the Quadro got such great reviews for 3d modeling and what not. Lets start here...

1. What should I be putting most of my money in Motherboard and CPU or the GPU?

2. Is it better to have two so so processes on a board or one high-end processor on a board?

3. Is 3930k the fastest processor out there? What about these Extremer processes like the i7-3960X is faster or worth the money?

3. Now that the Quadro can only do two monitors what can I do to get very fast rendering speeds yet keeping all four monitors running. How are the ATI FireGL Lines or what if I did an setup an SLI configuration but what GPU's are good that would run along the Quadro lines or better?

Any thoughts or suggestions? Thanks again for all your help and time!


1. It really depends on the applications you're using. but having high end ones of both can't hurt lol. there's some that benefits greatly from having a good GPU while others doesn't benefit much at all.

2. Pretty much all research/modeling work would/shoud take full advantage of whatever processor you throw at it. so clock and core count both matter. (that's why i said that the 3930k would outperform the xeon due to the way higher clock.)

3. I actually don't know. not too familiar with gpu set-ups in workstations. but from what i've seen on nvidia and other forums, the current drivers does not support SLI set-ups with quadro 5000. from benchmarks, the quadro 5000 does outperform the Firepro V8800 by a sizable margin (but also costs less i think...)

But the firepro does support 4 monitors though.
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January 7, 2013 8:04:21 AM

It is better you get a cheaper board and a very fast CPU like a 3970k.
I've done all that you want to do on a i7 920 slowest of the 1st gen i7 series, except for programming with a ATI HD 4850.
Quadro cards are better than Firepro but then again quadro cards are expensive too.

Though I'm not sure about this but I think that the motherboard doesnot support the i7 lineup, it is only made for Xeon. Since the previous clssified card of EVGA didnot support i7.

If you want bad ass motherboards for workstations get over to the supermicro's website.

My recommended specs for you
I7 3970k as you have been told earlier
ASUS rampage iv
Your ram is perfect
A good 1000watts CPU
2xHD7970 or 2xGTX670 in crossfire or SLI
Any arctic liquid processor cooler if you want to overclock
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January 7, 2013 2:16:24 PM

Xttony said:
It is better you get a cheaper board and a very fast CPU like a 3970k.
I've done all that you want to do on a i7 920 slowest of the 1st gen i7 series, except for programming with a ATI HD 4850.
Quadro cards are better than Firepro but then again quadro cards are expensive too.

Though I'm not sure about this but I think that the motherboard doesnot support the i7 lineup, it is only made for Xeon. Since the previous clssified card of EVGA didnot support i7.

If you want bad ass motherboards for workstations get over to the supermicro's website.

My recommended specs for you
I7 3970k as you have been told earlier
ASUS rampage iv
Your ram is perfect
A good 1000watts CPU
2xHD7970 or 2xGTX670 in crossfire or SLI
Any arctic liquid processor cooler if you want to overclock


Hello Xttony,

Thank you for your reply and help. I compared the 3970k to the 3930k and I just don't think the L3 3 additional megabytes of memory and a very little more megahertz is worth $500.00 more hundreded dollars. Wouldn't I be better served to get a two socket board with say 2 x 3930k's on it? It would give me a lot more cores and power overall. What are you thoughts?

As for the video card I really wanted the Quadro 5000k but from what I was told you can't have two Quadro cards in a deaktop or set it up in SLI. It will only supports 2 monitors. I have 4 monitors so I would need something that could handle that to. What would you suggest.

Note: I am will to spend upwards of $5,000.00 on this system and maybe even a little more if I need to. But more importantly is I want to have POWER and SPEED. So if I am better served to go with Xeon's over i7 then I would do that. Question is what's a good Xeon chip? Thanks!
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January 7, 2013 10:51:32 PM

A good xeon chip/quadro expensive (for atleast a gamer POV) are very expensive but since you are willing to pay for it that is not a problem. Postings specs please wait
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January 8, 2013 3:45:58 AM

Xttony said:
A good xeon chip/quadro expensive (for atleast a gamer POV) are very expensive but since you are willing to pay for it that is not a problem. Postings specs please wait


But for his purposes... there is no need for Xeon... just extra cost that gives worse performance (locked multiplier on cpus)

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January 8, 2013 6:25:05 AM

Motherboard
http://www.supermicro.com/products/motherboard/Xeon/C60...
http://www.supermicro.com/products/motherboard/Xeon/C60...

Where to buy
http://www.supermicro.com/wheretobuy/namerica.cfm?rgn=1...

Processor
E2650 x2 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168... $2200
E2640 x2 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168... $1800

NOTE: ALL MULTIPROCESSOR CARDS ONLY SUPPORT XEON. NO CORE i7 SUPPORT.

Case
Cooler master cosmos 2 most supermicro boards are extended ATX.

GPU 2monitors
K5000 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx? Item=N82E16814133468 $1500

GPU 4 monitor
W8000 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168... $1500

GPU 6 monitor
V9800 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168... $2900
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January 8, 2013 7:23:57 AM

Xttony said:
Motherboard
http://www.supermicro.com/products/motherboard/Xeon/C60...
http://www.supermicro.com/products/motherboard/Xeon/C60...

Where to buy
http://www.supermicro.com/wheretobuy/namerica.cfm?rgn=1...

Processor
E2650 x2 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168... $2200
E2640 x2 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168... $1800

NOTE: ALL MULTIPROCESSOR CARDS ONLY SUPPORT XEON. NO CORE i7 SUPPORT.

Case
Cooler master cosmos 2 most supermicro boards are extended ATX.

GPU
K5000 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx? Item=N82E16814133468



You do realize that by overclocking the 3930k to 4.5+ ghz, you can achieve 80-90%ish of the performance of that dual Xeon @ 2.5ghz for $1300 less lol.
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January 8, 2013 7:35:44 AM

killerhurtalot said:
You do realize that by overclocking the 3930k to 4.5+ ghz, you can achieve 80-90%ish of the performance of that dual Xeon @ 2.5ghz for $1300 less lol.


That is partially true Xeon can be blazing fast in performing these kind of tasks. But in this case you are right since you can experience that performance if the workload is very high, and I don't suspect it'll be in this case.

If you read my fist comment you'll see that I also told him to go for a i7 3930k processor and a GTX. That config can easily handle what he wants to do on that computer. But he wants a fast workstation with multiple processors and no multiprocessor motherboards support i7.
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