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November 30, 2011 11:10:40 AM

Not to long ago i bought a gateway computer. Had an I3 in it. Would like to upgrade to a I5 or I7 but im just not sure if I can...
The mother board is a H57 with a LGA1156 socket.
I thought about the I5 760 or I7 870 since they fit the 1156 socket, but then i read that if i go with either of those chips that i wouldnt be able to use any graphics on the mother board since those chips dont have integrated graphics. So I guess the only i7 i could get would be the 2600k its only 10bucks more so no big deal. I just wish someone could shed some light on this for me.

I use my pc mainly for photoshop, mild gaming, alot of word documents and spreadsheets, so i would just like more speed for photoshop!
Thanks guy!

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November 30, 2011 11:20:00 AM

If you find one of those cpus closeout, then get them, and get a low end video card like this if your board has a pci-e slot: http://www.amazon.com/VisionTek-Radeon-Express-Graphics.... This card should work with your gateway power supply. Don't buy a high end video card unless you can change out the power supply. Good power supplies like antec, corsair, enermax, seasonic, and ocz aren't cheap.
November 30, 2011 11:32:07 AM

DO NOT BUY a 2600K. it will not fit, it is a 1155 socket, you have an 1156 socket.
What version of photoshop are you using, does it support CUDA? if it does then buy a small nvidia card 430/440 something like that. you'll be ok on power and you'll get the card doing the work, but you need to find out if your version of photoshop supports it.
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November 30, 2011 11:35:55 AM

photoshop CS5.
The Video card i currently have is the radeon HD 5570, later i will update the power supply and get a better graphics card.
so no 2600k, i thought it was 1156... bummer
but im assuming you didnt shoot down the 760 or 870 so they should be ok for me to use in my motherboard?
November 30, 2011 1:09:55 PM

Id love to just check my mobo's website, but i have no idea what mobo it actually is, just the h57 is all I know... the computer is sitting on the shelf right now, the processor (i3) is on the fritz, which is why i needed an upgrade pretty much, i could just get the same i3 that came with it, but i'd like more speed!
the graphics cards i was looking at was the radeon hd 6670 or 6870, gtx 560 ti. i see the gtx supports cuda, but im not sure what cuda does with cs5? And with the new graphics will come a better psu i know :) 
November 30, 2011 1:59:37 PM

can you open it have a look at the mobo, or look on the gateway site to see if they offer yours with an improved processor. The concern is that they may have 'hobbled' the bios, so that it is limited as to what upgrades it can take.

Using CUDA will let the GPU (a highly parallel device) take care of sums when applying effects to an image (a highly parallel task), which should make it quicker.This might give you an idea: http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/firepro-v9800-eyefi... however I don't know much about PS, so make you that you are happy that it'll work.
this might illustrate it better: http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/adobe-cs5-cuda-64-b... note that I think that 5.5 uses cuda, anything else and its plug ins only according to that article.

My next, and more imprtant, question is why do you think that the processor needs replacing? why do you think it is broken? I ask this because a broken CPU is quite rare in my opinion unless something has happened to it, like a mobo killing it. What symptoms are you seeing?
November 30, 2011 2:53:48 PM

yep I've looked all over the motherboard but all i can see is H57H am2 on a sticker... But that doesnt seem to be the model..
and I guess i'll have to go with nvidia on the graphics card! Thanks for the links!

The proccessor was pretty zippy to begin with and the pc was only 9months old or so, now it takes 10 minutes to load up! it was in a high traffic area with a dog that runs around alot, and it was unplugged a few times, I originally thought it was the hardrive I would keep getting "explorer not responding" errors when i right clicked anything, tried wiping the hardrive clean and putting a new copy of windows on it, didnt work, even a duplicate copy on a diff. partition, didnt work, same errors.
So new hardrive and brand new windows 7 and same problem. Now it wont boot up it just gets to a screen that says "hardware changed, insert windows disc...etc" i dont want to throw on another copy of windows to have the same error when nothing hardware wise has even changed, it took over an hour last time i installed windows and for an i3 that is pathetic, the amd phenom 2 830 processor in this computer does it alot quicker.

Im assuming its the processor, but if you say the mobo could be at fault, im not against getting a new mobo and processor, I7 compatable of course, but that would lead to my next headache, the computer is a gateway dx4840-11e what mobo would fit in that case.
and I know later i will be updating the power supply graphics card, eventually a blu-ray player, so it probably would be best to get a custom pc, with a case that i like, but then im running into 700+ bucks which isnt an option at this time. I checked out the combos and a mobo 120 dollars and 299 for i7 which isnt terrible considering its a huge upgrade...
November 30, 2011 3:06:07 PM

If its under 12months, then surely its under warranty, there's nothing fundementally wrong with an i3, if its not behaving itself and you can live without it for a while, get your data off and send it back. you might be able to buy media from gateway which will get you a win install disk. There might be/have been a hidden partition. My first stop would be talk to gateway.

if its a stnd sized case then you should not have a problem, look up atx on wikipedia to give you an idea about mobo sizes and typesm then you'll be able to figureout what yours is, and hence what'll fit.
November 30, 2011 3:19:33 PM

Sorry it was 9months when it shot the crapper, i really didnt need the install disk I was using ISO images to put windows back on the computer...
and yep standard size pc, ill check out atx on wiki. I appreciate your help!
November 30, 2011 3:42:52 PM

it doesn't sound broken to be honest, it sounds like you need to install with disk.

A concern i'd have is that the case may not have good enough airflow to keep the more power hungry gpu cool enough. does it have a front fan and rear fan position?
November 30, 2011 7:27:58 PM

I dont know before windows even loads it takes forever sitting on the screen "press del for setup" "f2" for something else, when i first got it i had to restart it a few times because that screen went by so fast i couldnt see which to press lol.

The idea was that this pc im on is going to go to my dad for christmas because i was going to fix my older one before christmas, hoping to just replace the chip, now chip and motherboad, and so on, the case doesnt have and cooling capacity just 1 vent in the side of the case. So the new plan is to buy a new pc (custom hopefully) I bought the gf a laptop for christmas we can use that until i get a new pc.

Do you have any suggestions on a nice build? I know i can find builds everywhere but heres what i had in mind.
I7 $299
mobo $120
gtx 560 ti $239
looks like most cases run low $100
havent browsed for psu's, fans, or anything else!
December 1, 2011 4:56:36 AM

I've put together alittle build, was wondering what you guys thought about it…
Power
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B004MYFODS/ ref=ox_sc_act_title_2?ie=UTF8&m=ATVPDKIKX0DER
Case
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0028MKGZ2/ ref=ox_sc_act_title_3?ie=UTF8&m=ATVPDKIKX0DER
Mobo
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B004498TDI/ ref=ox_sc_act_title_4?ie=UTF8&m=ATVPDKIKX0DER
Processor
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B002A6G3V2/ ref=ox_sc_act_title_5?ie=UTF8&m= A1XBPHGHAXLHDG
Graphics
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B004KZHRAM/ ref=ox_sc_act_title_1?ie=UTF8&m=ATVPDKIKX0DER

The case is cool as heck, colors change on it! I already have the RAM and Dvd player.
December 1, 2011 8:17:58 AM

1366 & 1156 are dead sockets.
cpu - 2500K faster than the 950, and $70 cheaper - also a cheaper platform
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
Asus mobo $30 cheaper
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
memory will be cheaper as you only need dual channel and not tri-channel
go for a 570 and not a 560ti, reason being is that adobe specifically state that the 570 is supported.
also newegg are $40 cheaper on that i7-950 so i'd say don't use amazon.com for this.

December 1, 2011 10:08:34 AM

I Dont understand what you mean by "dead sockets"?
and the i5 2500k is faster than an i7 950? just under the impression that the i7's were all faster than the 5's.
I've got 8gigs of ram right now, later i'll buy better ram and would like to shoot for 12gigs at least.
and the 570 it is then :) 
I always compare with amazon just in case, and just threw it in the cart to see how much i might be spending.
December 1, 2011 10:12:22 AM

unless you meant the i7 2600k, the i5 only has 4threads... i7 has 8... that makes a difference doesnt it?
December 1, 2011 10:25:27 AM

This topic has been moved from the section CPU & Components to section Systems by Mousemonkey
December 1, 2011 3:56:55 PM

the 2600K has 4 real cores and 4 virtual cores through hyperthreading, generaly there is not thought to be much of a benefit. The lastest gen i5's are much better than even the older i7's and the K's can be overclocked easily (really easily) to 4+Ghz.

there are no more processors for the 1156 and 1366 scokets, all new processors are on 1155 and 2011 (until they ditch these), ivy bridge in april will be able to fit in 1155 only.

Glad you are not just using amazon.

sorry to link to elsewhere but: http://www.anandtech.com/bench/Product/100?vs=288 gives a clear idea, and that is at stock, add 25% to the 2500K figures if you want.
December 1, 2011 3:58:45 PM

mousemonkey, any chance that you can investigate a way that forces an update email to go out when a topic is moved, as you moved it after the OP had responded, and that broke the link, took me a while to find the post and carry on trying to help.
December 1, 2011 7:57:55 PM

lol had a brain fart... coldnt find the thread so i just posted my last message best i could remember back in the cpu forum... then realized i could check my history to this thread didnt notice it got moved... The other thread in the cpu forum can be removed i guess.

well i guess i'll go with the 2500k, i just thought the i7's were faster, but the 2500k being cheaper i'll deffinately snag it up.
and the socket thing its weird they went backwards with new technology, it seems everything with computers the higher the number the newer and better it is... o well if the 1155's are what the ivy bridges may run on 1155 then thank you for saving me the trouble with buying a dead board when i could keep the 1155 board and get an ivy bridge chip if i decide to without upgrading motherboard again!

and I've been with amazon since 2005 and do a majority of my shopping there but when it comes to electronics like this i go through newegg and tiger direct, some things are cheaper on amazon, some are cheaper on tiger direct, I'l do more searching tonight and get a cart together and see who has cheaper stuff and i might just have to order through a few different places to save a buck!.

So the build now is:

Power
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B004MYFODS/ ref=ox_sc_act_title_2?ie=UTF8&m=ATVPDKIKX0DER
Case
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0028MKGZ2/ ref=ox_sc_act_title_3?ie=UTF8&m=ATVPDKIKX0DER
Mobo
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Prod [...] 6813131773
cpu - 2500K
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Prod [...] 6819115072
Graphics
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

I havent changed the links in the amazon yet, so i'll search around for cheaper prices when i get to work... does this build look ok now?
December 1, 2011 8:20:05 PM

you got DDR3 at the moment? you'll need it. It has to be 1.5V too I think, although for the price you'd may as well buy new, and then sell old for parts.

can't read the mobo link, I don't think gigabyte are too good with fan control, Asus might be better, i'm guessing as you'd picked gigabyte last time. Have a look at toms value builds for a mobo selection, i'm thinking of a z68 asus myself, probably 2 up from the bottom offering. the z68's will let you overclock and use the IGP & therefore quicksync for video compression etc.
December 1, 2011 10:02:04 PM

Oh I don't mind which motherboard I use just as long as its atx form factor cause I would really like that case! Though ive heard asus has better quality boards that last longer and are just more dependable. Id like to have a board that can stand some upgrades just incase I want to run dual gpus or something I just dont want to be limited right off the bat. I do have some ddr3 but I dont even know what kind I have, but I,can gwt 8gigs dirt cheap right now so upgrading would be nice.
December 2, 2011 8:21:17 AM

all looks good to me, jealous, but waiting for ivy-bridge.
December 2, 2011 9:16:28 AM

Thanks for all your help this far though!
and i wouldnt be jealous i'll be dirt poor after i buy everything! but at least i wont have to worry about upgrading for a while, though we'll see what ivy-bridge has in store, i'll probably upgrade sooner than i want to if those chips are amazing :) 
December 2, 2011 9:41:44 AM

+15-20% + PCI-E3.0 (no cards yet, maybe not even next gen.
toms has an article on front page with leaked perf and specs.
December 4, 2011 9:59:32 PM

Well i was browsing around today on another site and they mentioned that ibuypower has a special to the end of the year and i looked at the specs and its practically the same damn computer i was wanting to build and like 100 bucks cheaper... Is there anything wrong with buying from a place like that?
the link is below, and its customizable, so i can exhange that case for the one i want...
http://www.ibuypower.com/Store/iBUYPOWER_HS_11
December 5, 2011 5:10:05 AM

go with a named PSU, and don't go for water cooling, reports are not very impressive generally, worse than air, perhaps a touch quieter. Not sure if that affects the cost too much, but don't skimp on the PSU, in the medium-long run its not worth it.
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