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First build from scratch - $650 super quiet gaming system quote

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December 1, 2011 11:53:38 AM



Is this quote OK or too pricey? Is it a very quiet system (or is video card noisy/hot...) and is it the best for latest games like SkyRim at medium to mid-high settings?


CanadaComputers custom build (Nov 30 2011) by Peter Quote# 017405

$140 CPU: Intel i3 2120 (3.3 GHZ)
http://canadacomputers.com/product_info.php?cPath=4_65&...

$140 Graphics card: GIGABYTE GeForce GTX 550 Ti (970MHZ) 1 GB (4200MHZ)
http://canadacomputers.com/product_info.php?cPath=43_55...

$42 RAM: Corsair XMS3 Classic 8GB (2x4GB) DDR3 1333MHz
http://canadacomputers.com/product_info.php?cPath=24_31...

$145 Hard drive: Kingston SSDNow V200 128GB SSD HD 2.5" SATA 6Gb/s
http://canadacomputers.com/product_info.php?cPath=15_17...

$18 Optical drive: Sony AD-7280S-0B Black SATA DVD Combo .. Dual Layer
http://canadacomputers.com/product_info.php?cPath=3_61&...

$110 Motherboard: Asus P8H67-M PRO/CSM (Rev. 3.0) Socket 1155 Intel H67
http://canadacomputers.com/product_info.php?cPath=26_72...

$55 Power Supply: Thermaltake TR2 600W Power Supply (TR-600)
http://canadacomputers.com/product_info.php?cPath=33_44...

$50 Case: Cooler Master HAF 912 Mid Tower ATX Case (RC-912-KKN1)
http://canadacomputers.com/product_info.php?cPath=6_112...

$700 TOTAL PRICE WITHOUT TAX



SUMMARY
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I would like advice on buying or building a new desktop computer where cool running and quiet is as important as gaming.
Max price is $650 for an all black, no distracting / few lights (in living room) good for latest games at medium-high settings and upgradeable. Since I have never purchased a system I would like it to be plug and play (not bios changes or jumper settings).

DETAILS
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Approximate Purchase Date: this week.

Budget Range: $650.

System Usage from Most to Least Important: Programming (VS 2010), Graphics design (no videos), Internet browsing, gaming.

Parts Not Required: monitor, OS

Preferred Website(s) for Parts: Someone that ships entire PC or parts to Canada.
Country: Canada

Parts Preferences: Asus/Gigabyte motherboard, Intel CPU (i Core 3 or 5 2nd gen). Case should have cable routing and hopefully not too large about (7.5"wide, 16.75" high, 18.5 " deep). PSU at 600 watts.

Parts not needed: USB 3.0 I can get later if necessary, I won't ever (99% sure) have two video cards in the same system (too noisy/hot)

Overclocking: No.
SLI or Crossfire: No.

Compatibility: Will be upgrading to Windows 8. Would like parts to be popular/maintained so "no possible" conflicts with games/software/hardware drivers etc.

Upgradeability: I don't mind buying a kit or something if I can upgrade the following with any brand parts: RAM, Video Card, Hard drive, optical drive

Additional Comments:
I would like a very quiet and cool running reliable PC. The speed of the CPU must be at least as good as an Intel Core 2 Quad CPU Q8200 (3270 PassMark CPU benchmark), 6GB DDR3 RAM min. If a ready-made PC is available for this price and has great reliability (not thinking acer/gateway/hp/dell for example; unless you can prove me wrong), please recommend me one! Thanks!

I would like capacity for 2 internal hard drives and one optical drive minimum (two optical drives is nicer), The computer may sit in a cupboard so should run cool.
December 1, 2011 12:29:46 PM

EDIT:
I would upgrade the video card $10.00 and buy this one:

$150 Graphics card: XFX ATI Radeon HD 6850(HD-685X-ZNFC) (775Mhz)
http://canadacomputers.com/product_info.php?cPath=43_55...




dvbuilder said:
Is this quote OK or too pricey? Is it a very quiet system (or is video card noisy/hot...) and is it the best for latest games like SkyRim at medium to mid-high settings?


CanadaComputers custom build (Nov 30 2011) by Peter Quote# 017405

$140 CPU: Intel i3 2120 (3.3 GHZ)
http://canadacomputers.com/product_info.php?cPath=4_65&...

$140 Graphics card: GIGABYTE GeForce GTX 550 Ti (970MHZ) 1 GB (4200MHZ)
http://canadacomputers.com/product_info.php?cPath=43_55...

$42 RAM: Corsair XMS3 Classic 8GB (2x4GB) DDR3 1333MHz
http://canadacomputers.com/product_info.php?cPath=24_31...

$145 Hard drive: Kingston SSDNow V200 128GB SSD HD 2.5" SATA 6Gb/s
http://canadacomputers.com/product_info.php?cPath=15_17...

$18 Optical drive: Sony AD-7280S-0B Black SATA DVD Combo .. Dual Layer
http://canadacomputers.com/product_info.php?cPath=3_61&...

$110 Motherboard: Asus P8H67-M PRO/CSM (Rev. 3.0) Socket 1155 Intel H67
http://canadacomputers.com/product_info.php?cPath=26_72...

$55 Power Supply: Thermaltake TR2 600W Power Supply (TR-600)
http://canadacomputers.com/product_info.php?cPath=33_44...

$50 Case: Cooler Master HAF 912 Mid Tower ATX Case (RC-912-KKN1)
http://canadacomputers.com/product_info.php?cPath=6_112...

$700 TOTAL PRICE WITHOUT TAX



SUMMARY
*******
I would like advice on buying or building a new desktop computer where cool running and quiet is as important as gaming.
Max price is $650 for an all black, no distracting / few lights (in living room) good for latest games at medium-high settings and upgradeable. Since I have never purchased a system I would like it to be plug and play (not bios changes or jumper settings).

DETAILS
*******
Approximate Purchase Date: this week.

Budget Range: $650.

System Usage from Most to Least Important: Programming (VS 2010), Graphics design (no videos), Internet browsing, gaming.

Parts Not Required: monitor, OS

Preferred Website(s) for Parts: Someone that ships entire PC or parts to Canada.
Country: Canada

Parts Preferences: Asus/Gigabyte motherboard, Intel CPU (i Core 3 or 5 2nd gen). Case should have cable routing and hopefully not too large about (7.5"wide, 16.75" high, 18.5 " deep). PSU at 600 watts.

Parts not needed: USB 3.0 I can get later if necessary, I won't ever (99% sure) have two video cards in the same system (too noisy/hot)

Overclocking: No.
SLI or Crossfire: No.

Compatibility: Will be upgrading to Windows 8. Would like parts to be popular/maintained so "no possible" conflicts with games/software/hardware drivers etc.

Upgradeability: I don't mind buying a kit or something if I can upgrade the following with any brand parts: RAM, Video Card, Hard drive, optical drive

Additional Comments:
I would like a very quiet and cool running reliable PC. The speed of the CPU must be at least as good as an Intel Core 2 Quad CPU Q8200 (3270 PassMark CPU benchmark), 6GB DDR3 RAM min. If a ready-made PC is available for this price and has great reliability (not thinking acer/gateway/hp/dell for example; unless you can prove me wrong), please recommend me one! Thanks!

I would like capacity for 2 internal hard drives and one optical drive minimum (two optical drives is nicer), The computer may sit in a cupboard so should run cool.

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December 1, 2011 1:53:28 PM

Thanks for the link!
I am thinking that this package system has equivalent GPU for benchmarking but ATI is runs cooler and uses less wattage with equavalent noise pollution according to guru3d.com.

The AMD CPU is faster but also uses 30 more watts (more heat)... When you add a hard drive and optical drive I am over budget also. But do games really use 6 cores? I heard skyrim does not...



$660 Package Cost
CPU • AMD FX-6100 3.3GHz CPU
mobo • AMD 970 Chipset
graphics • NVIDIA GTX 560Ti 1GB Graphics
RAM • G.SKILL Ripjaws Series 4GB DDR3 1600
case • CM HAF912 ATX Mid Tower
power supply • CM eXtreme Power Plus 550W PSU
$145 add Hard drive
$22 add Optical drive

$827.00 TOTAL PRICE without taxes



Radeon HD 6850
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http://www.guru3d.com/article/radeon-hd-6850-6870-revie...
http://www.guru3d.com/article/radeon-hd-6850-6870-revie...

Measured power consumption
1. Advertised TDP = 127W
2. System in IDLE = 176W
3. System Wattage with GPU in FULL Stress = 278W
4. Difference (GPU load) = 102 W
5. Add average IDLE wattage ~ 19W
6. Subjective obtained GPU power consumption = ~ 121 Watts

Sound: We measured a perfectly silent 38 dBA when the GPU is massively under stress. This means that under normal circumstances, you cannot hear the product over the regular PC noise. If your PC is in IDLE or you are Sound: working in desktop mode then dBA levels remain at 37 dBA, a noise level you will not be able to hear whatsoever either (of course).

Temp: This card ran 40 degrees C in IDLE and when stressed it reached 74 degrees C. Not a problem whatsoever. We measure at a room temperature of 21 degrees Celsius.


GeForce GTX 560 Ti
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http://www.guru3d.com/article/geforce-gtx-560-ti-review...
Measured power consumption
1. Advertised GeForce TDP = 170W
2. System in IDLE = 175W
3. System Wattage with GPU in FULL Stress = 319W
4. Difference (GPU load) = 144 W
5. Add average IDLE wattage ~ 25W
6. Subjective obtained GPU power consumption = ~ 169 Watts
Sound: For the card in a fully stressed status (in-game)... 37 DBA. It is 36 DBA in idle mode
Temp: Temperature of 29 degree in idle and the temperature under heavy game stress for the card load stabilized at roughly 68 Degrees C.
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December 1, 2011 2:14:58 PM

Phenom II x 4 $115
http://www.directcanada.com/products/?sku=10360AC6599&v...

ASUS AM3 Motherboard $55
http://www.directcanada.com/products/?sku=10530BD1828&v...

Seagate Barracuda 250gb SATA $65
http://www.directcanada.com/products/?sku=14120DR6827&v...

CM Elite 430 $40
http://www.directcanada.com/products/?sku=11130AC5936&v...

G.Skill 8gb Ram $39
http://www.directcanada.com/products/?sku=15380BD8579&v...

MSI Twin Frozr II GTX 560ti $236
http://www.directcanada.com/products/?sku=12980BD8066&v...

Corsair CX500v2 $50
http://www.directcanada.com/products/?sku=11180AC3744&v...

$600 Canadian Dollars w/o tax FREE SHIPPING AT DIRECT CANADA.

With the $50 left. I would either get a bigger hard drive or an AM3+ motherboard( for upgradability) . :)  It's still all good. I have personally used that motherboard and it has no problems.

It will have no problems running games at high.

ASUS AM3+ motherboard
http://www.directcanada.com/products/?sku=10530BD2677&v...
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December 1, 2011 5:10:43 PM

@cutebeans.

Will the 500 watt system be enough it if I add another hard drive and optical drive?
Sounds like your system will run hotter and noisier though? I think your case and PSU are worse, the review pointed that out in your link.

The CPU is the same speed however and your motherboard is much cheaper.

With my system I could double the CPU speed in a year or two though with an i7 1st or 2nd gen. What about the AMD motherboard you mentioned, can I double the speed in a year or two?

Next year I was planning on adding a 1 TB hard drive when prices go to normal. 128 GB will be fine for now.

The benchmark speed of that video card is impressive at 5036 vs. 3628 for Radeo HD 6850: http://www.guru3d.com/article/msi-n560gtx-ti-twin-froze...

hmmmm.

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December 1, 2011 6:31:26 PM

I'd drop the processor to i3 2100 and gpu to hd6770.
Performance difference not noticeable and saves $40/50 (mind you, that is a guess)
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December 2, 2011 3:04:38 AM

dvbuilder said:
@cutebeans.

Will the 500 watt system be enough it if I add another hard drive and optical drive?
Sounds like your system will run hotter and noisier though? I think your case and PSU are worse, the review pointed that out in your link.

The CPU is the same speed however and your motherboard is much cheaper.

With my system I could double the CPU speed in a year or two though with an i7 1st or 2nd gen. What about the AMD motherboard you mentioned, can I double the speed in a year or two?

Next year I was planning on adding a 1 TB hard drive when prices go to normal. 128 GB will be fine for now.

The benchmark speed of that video card is impressive at 5036 vs. 3628 for Radeo HD 6850: http://www.guru3d.com/article/msi-n560gtx-ti-twin-froze...

hmmmm.


Hello, my friend. Yes, 500 watts can easily power up a 560ti. :)  This card is impressive because it is 2 tiers higher than the 6850 lol.
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December 2, 2011 3:06:32 AM

longpig said:
I'd drop the processor to i3 2100 and gpu to hd6770.
Performance difference not noticeable and saves $40/50 (mind you, that is a guess)


No my friend, Performance difference is BIG! the 560ti is almost has twice the power a 6770 lol.
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December 2, 2011 7:03:15 AM

But it cost 40/50 bucks less! :D 
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December 2, 2011 1:18:19 PM


I think this is the new build I will buy today/ this weekend...


$134 Intel Core i3-2120 Dual-Core Socket LGA1155, 3.30Ghz http://www.vuugo.com/en/Brand/Intel/Intel-Core-i3-2120-...

$110 Asus P8H67-M PRO/CSM (Rev. 3.0) Socket 1155 Intel H67. USB 3, Sata 6GBps http://canadacomputers.com/product_info.php?cPath=26_72...

$40 Cooler Master Elite 370 Black Mid Tower Case (RC-370-KKN1) http://canadacomputers.com/product_info.php?cPath=6_112...

$55 Thermaltake TR2 600W Power Supply (TR-600
http://canadacomputers.com/product_info.php?cPath=33_44...

$150 Gigabyte (GV-R685OC-1GD) AMD Radeon HD 6850 1GB (820Mhz)
http://canadacomputers.com/product_info.php?cPath=43_55...

$80 Seagate Barracuda 7200.12 SATA3 6.0Gb/s 500GB 16MB Cache (OEM) http://canadacomputers.com/product_info.php?cPath=15_21...

$22 Sony AD-7280S-0B Black SATA DVD Writer 24x DVD-/+R 48x CD-R
http://canadacomputers.com/product_info.php?cPath=3_61&...

$39 G.SKILL Ripjaws X F3-10666CL9D-8GBXL 8GB 2X4GB DDR3-1333 CL9-9-9-24 Memory http://www.directcanada.com/products/?sku=15380BD8579&v...

$105 Windows 7 64 bit home premium
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$735 Total before Taxes.
$830 Taxes in


Reasoning:
In two years or less for a good price I can double the processor speed (plop in i7) and video card speed. The current speed will be adequate for the next two years for me. Unless someone can tell me if I spend $25 more I can get 'way' more speed and less heat/noise. I would like to stick with Intel I think and I want USB 3 and Sata III 6 GBps mobo for hard drive speed.

I want a 600 Watt system because I heard the system runs cooler / quieter and the PSU will last longer. The case I chose is the perfect size for me but will it run cool and quiet?

$850 is my upper maximum price limit with taxes in and Windows 7 OS.

The system should run skyrim on good settings (I realize not the very best).

Any comments before I spend money?
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December 2, 2011 1:50:29 PM

Now of course I have seen this for $78.00 more and it has an equivalent video card, bigger 1 TB drive, more expensive Chasis (not sure if better). But it is not quite enough to get me excited...

http://canadacomputers.com/product_info.php?cPath=7_124...

Processor: Intel Core i3 2120, 3.3Ghz, 3MB Cache, 4 Threads
CPU Fan: Socket 1155 Heatsink and Fan
Motherboard: Gigabyte GA-Z68A-D3-B3 - Intel Z68 Chipset
Memory: 8GB DDR3 1600Mhz (2x 4GB)
Graphics: Nvidia GTX 560 1GB Dual Display
Video Port: 2x DVI, 1x HDMI 1.4a, 1x Display Port
Hard Drive: 1TB SATA III 6.0Gb/s 7200rpm
Optical Drive: Dual Layer DVD�RW Drive
Sound Card: 7.1 High Definition Audio
Chassis: Thermaltake V3 Mid Tower (VL80001W2Z)
Front Panel: 2x USB 2.0, 2x Audio
I/O Ports: GigaLAN, 2x USB 3.0, 4x USB 2.0,1x Serial, 1x Parallel, 1x PS/2
Power Supply: Thermaltake TR2 600W 80 Plus
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December 2, 2011 7:37:40 PM

cutebeans said:
No my friend, Performance difference is BIG! the 560ti is almost has twice the power a 6770 lol.


My mistake. Misread as 550 ti
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December 19, 2011 2:08:09 PM

So I bought this computer on Dec 2. I built it for work but was hoping a game like skyrim would be playable. And guess what? I get 57 FPS on average in skyrim using the highest settings (in ultra) with this setup, so I am happy with that.

The computer is OK for quietness, was hoping for slightly quieter. I have set my motherboard's Bios Smart fan settings to Silent from Normal, but have not noticed any difference, and neither does Speed Fan. When I change the Speed Fan setting for Fan 4 to 40% from 50% I notice a volume difference so that is what I keep it at (40% is the speed I noticed for the first few days when I first installed SpeedFan)


All parts bought CANADA COMPUTERS. Hamilton



$140 Intel Core i3-2120 Dual-Core Socket LGA1155, 3.30Ghz
http://canadacomputers.com/product_info.php?cPath=4_65&...

$110 Asus P8H67-M PRO/CSM (Rev. 3.0) Socket 1155 Intel H67. USB 3, Sata 6GBp/s
http://canadacomputers.com/product_info.php?cPath=26_72...

$50 "Cooler Master HAF 912 (RC-912-kkn1)"
http://canadacomputers.com/product_info.php?cPath=6_112...

$55 Thermaltake TR2 600W Power Supply (TR-600)
http://canadacomputers.com/product_info.php?cPath=33_44...

$150 Gigabyte (GV-R685OC-1GD) AMD Radeon HD 6850 1GB (820Mhz)
http://canadacomputers.com/product_info.php?cPath=43_55...

$120 Corsair Force Series 3. 90 GB SSD. SATA 6 Gb/s. Read 550MB. Write 500MB
http://canadacomputers.com/product_info.php?cPath=15_17...

$23 Asus DVD ReWriter (24x / 48x CDROM) with Nero Essentials
http://canadacomputers.com/product_info.php?cPath=3_61&...

$40 G.SKILL Sniper Series 8(2x4) GB DDR3 RAM - 1333 MHZ (PC3-10666) DC
http://canadacomputers.com/product_info.php?cPath=24_31...

$110 Windows 7 64 bit home premium

$12 BitFenix Spectre Pro 120mm Case fan. 1200 RPM. 56 CFM. 18.7 dBA
http://canadacomputers.com/product_info.php?cPath=8_130...

$810 SubTotal (after rebates and discounts)
$915 Taxes included
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