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December 4, 2011 4:33:57 AM

Hello people, I'm thinking of building a new computer for the holiday season, which will be able to play most (or every) game on ultra settings(and high fps). I have never built a computer in the past, however for the past month I have been doing lot's of research and I have learnt a lot. I now have an idea of what my build will be, however I'd greatly appreciate your expert advice!

Here is all the information you would need to help me:

Approximate Purchase Date: Very close to Christmas. (same week as Xmas or during boxing day at the latest)

Budget Range: 1600 before tax is my max, unless I have a very good reason to pay more.

System Usage: I will mainly be using my system for Gaming. Examples of games would be BF3, Crysis 2, the witcher 2, batman arkham city etc. I really want to be able to play these games on ultra settings and at very high fps. Ex, at least 50fps for BF3.
I will also be using my computer for mechanical engineering design. (Programs such as Catia and Solidworks)

Parts Not Required: Monitor, Mouse, Keyboard, Speakers, Optical drive.

Preferred Website(s) for Parts: Newegg.CA and amazon.ca.
I am willing to buy a part from their .com websites if I am saving a lot of money. (ex 40$)

Country Canada

Overclocking: Yes, however at the moment I barely know anything about Oc. (I will be doing a lot of research in the future)

SLI : Most probably. whether I do it now, or down the road is another question.

Monitor Resolution: 1920 x 1080.


For the moment, Here is the build I am thinking of:

CASE: Cooler Master Haf 932. 150$

CPU: Intel i5 2500k. 230$

CPU COOLER : COOLER MASTER Hyper 212 Plus. 40$

RAM: G.SKILL Ripjaws Series 16GB (4 x 4GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1066 (PC3 8500)
75$

MOTHERBOARD: ASUS P8Z68-V PRO LGA 1155 Intel Z68 HDMI SATA 6Gb/s USB 3.0 ATX Intel Motherboard with UEFI BIOS
215$ (with shipping)

Power Supply: CORSAIR Enthusiast Series 850W (will 850W be enough?)
135$ (with shipping)

HDD: Western Digital Caviar Black WD1001FALS 1TB. 230$

GPU: Now here is where I have trouble deciding. I am not an amd or Nvidia fan, however I'm strongly leaning towards with Nvidia. There are many options considering the release of the 560ti 448 cores, and the release of newer GPU's around February, however I don't have enough experience to know which is the best choice. I have no idea how much better these new GPU's will be, or how much they will cost.

Here are the choices I'm thinking of.

1) Get a gtx 560ti 384 cores now, and get a second one at lower price, when new GPU's come out (something like kepler I beleive??)
Or when kepler comes out, I could try and sell my 560ti and get a new GPU (kepler)
2) Get two gtx560ti's 448 cores RIGHT NOW and run them is SLI. I'm precising right now because I believe they will only be in sale for 1-2 months.
3) Get one GTX 570 right now, and get the second one when kepler comes out.

Down the road, the big max I am willing to spend for my Gpu's is 600$ (b4 tax)
However, if possible i'd really want to keep it under 500$.

Ps. I'm not getting an SSD for now. I beleive getting a second GPU is a better idea than getting an SSD.

Wireless adaptor I am a complete newbie in this department., and don't know what I should get.
Can usb wi-fi adaptors give the same speed as all other types of adaptors such as this one?
ASUS PCE-N15 Wireless Adapter IEEE 802.11b/g/n PCI Express 300/300Mbps Transfer/Receive Rate 64-bit WEP, 128-bit WEP, WPA2-PSK, WPA-PSK, WPS support ?
Price: 30-50$

Without the GPU's, the TOTAL PRICE of this build is about 1100$

Anyways that's what I have for now. What do you think? Any suggestion or advice would really be appreciated! I hope I put all the information that you guys need. If needed, I can also provide links to every component I spoke about. The issue I need most help on right now is the choice of GPU's.

Once again, I am a newby at building PC's, and I will be very grateful to anyone who helps me.

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December 4, 2011 6:33:45 AM

CASE: Cooler Master Haf 932. 150$--There are much better cases look around

CPU: Intel i5 2500k. 230$ --spot on but for 1600 you should have an I7 but it will not help with gaming

CPU COOLER : COOLER MASTER Hyper 212 Plus. 40$ --10 dollars more will get you a much better cooler
http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E1683...
This was just released and appears to be 10 dollars more and worth it
also this is a much better cooler
http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E1683...

RAM: G.SKILL Ripjaws Series 16GB (4 x 4GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1066 (PC3 8500)
75$
That is a lot of memory for a gaming machine a waste even.

MOTHERBOARD: ASUS P8Z68-V PRO LGA 1155 Intel Z68 HDMI SATA 6Gb/s USB 3.0 ATX Intel Motherboard with UEFI BIOS
215$ (with shipping) nothing wrong with this. I like gigabyte better but they are really no better at all.

Power Supply: CORSAIR Enthusiast Series 850W (will 850W be enough?)
135$ (with shipping)
You can crossfire 560ti's with it if that is what you want to do.

HDD: Western Digital Caviar Black WD1001FALS 1TB. 230$
I have this and it works fine
http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E1682...
maybe you like western digital then hey go ahead.
I have 3 hitachi drives no problems.
Highend system like this you should boot from a SSD anyway.
http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E1682...
or Better
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December 4, 2011 6:36:04 AM

I would get my parts here
http://www.directcanada.com/

FREE SHIPPING

i5-2500k $232
http://www.directcanada.com/products/?sku=12200BD1527&v...

Asrock z68 Extreme3 Gen3 $145
http://www.directcanada.com/products/?sku=16950BD2247&v...

G.skill Ripjaws 8gb $40
http://www.directcanada.com/products/?sku=15380BD5211&v...

HAF 932 $160
http://www.directcanada.com/products/?sku=11130AC0874&v...

EVGA GTX 570 $330
http://www.directcanada.com/products/?sku=11610BD5365&v...

Corsair TX750 $105
http://www.directcanada.com/products/?sku=11180AC9104&v...

Seagate Barracuda 1tb $147
http://www.directcanada.com/products/?sku=16950AC9713&v...

Get this TP Link wireless adapter. $23
http://www.directcanada.com/products/?sku=16950NW2032&v...

$1182

FREE SHIPPING. You can go dual GTX 570 if you want to max out the budget but a 570 is enough to max most games out. 750w is more than enough for DUAL SLI and OC.
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December 4, 2011 6:41:11 AM

Also check here

www.shopbot.ca

search each item out. As beans mentioned direct canada will always be listed in the top 3
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December 4, 2011 3:13:54 PM

spentshells said:
CASE: Cooler Master Haf 932. 150$--There are much better cases look around

CPU: Intel i5 2500k. 230$ --spot on but for 1600 you should have an I7 but it will not help with gaming

CPU COOLER : COOLER MASTER Hyper 212 Plus. 40$ --10 dollars more will get you a much better cooler
http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E1683...
This was just released and appears to be 10 dollars more and worth it
also this is a much better cooler
http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E1683...

RAM: G.SKILL Ripjaws Series 16GB (4 x 4GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1066 (PC3 8500)
75$
That is a lot of memory for a gaming machine a waste even.

MOTHERBOARD: ASUS P8Z68-V PRO LGA 1155 Intel Z68 HDMI SATA 6Gb/s USB 3.0 ATX Intel Motherboard with UEFI BIOS
215$ (with shipping) nothing wrong with this. I like gigabyte better but they are really no better at all.

Power Supply: CORSAIR Enthusiast Series 850W (will 850W be enough?)
135$ (with shipping)
You can crossfire 560ti's with it if that is what you want to do.

HDD: Western Digital Caviar Black WD1001FALS 1TB. 230$
I have this and it works fine
http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E1682...
maybe you like western digital then hey go ahead.
I have 3 hitachi drives no problems.
Highend system like this you should boot from a SSD anyway.
http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E1682...
or Better



Hey Spentshells, thanx a lot for the reply and all the useful information! I will definitely search for all my parts on shopbot and directcanada.

I see you believe there are better cases for 150$ however from the research I've done, the 932 seems to be a really good choice. Can you please name me some other cases so that I can check them out?
FOr the CPU, as you said i7 doesn't help with gaming so I think i'll stick with the i5.

Also, thank you for the recommendations on CPU Coolers. I will definitely be getting one of the 2 you have mentioned!

The reason i'm getting 16gb of ram is because I might need 16 gb down the road (1-2 years). Therefore, why not just get 16gb now at a discount, instead of buying 8 now and 8 later.
If my reasoning is incorrect, please tell me so!

I will definitely look into the hitachi drives however I trust WD when it comes to HDD's. UNfortunately, I Do want to get a second GPU, and I won't have enough money for an SSD.

Now for the GPU's I was interested in the Radeon 6950, however, If I swap to that GPU, that means getting an amd compatible motherboard and CPU right?
As to Clarify why I want 2 GPU's, I will be playing on 1920x 1080, but seems to me that only 1 gtx570 or hd 6950 will have trouble running over 50fps on ULTRA settings (AA included). However I might be wrong.
Also, is there a reason why you are not considering the gtx 560ti 448 cores?
Anyways from what I know now, I think it's safer to go with a gtx 570, however, I still feel like i'm paying a lot more money for a card that's just a tiny bit better than an hd 6950. Do you have experience with both the 6950 and the gtx570?

Sorry if I'm asking too many questions, and once again thanx alot for your answers!
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December 4, 2011 3:50:40 PM

cutebeans said:
I would get my parts here
http://www.directcanada.com/

FREE SHIPPING

i5-2500k $232
http://www.directcanada.com/products/?sku=12200BD1527&v...

Asrock z68 Extreme3 Gen3 $145
http://www.directcanada.com/products/?sku=16950BD2247&v...

G.skill Ripjaws 8gb $40
http://www.directcanada.com/products/?sku=15380BD5211&v...

HAF 932 $160
http://www.directcanada.com/products/?sku=11130AC0874&v...

EVGA GTX 570 $330
http://www.directcanada.com/products/?sku=11610BD5365&v...

Corsair TX750 $105
http://www.directcanada.com/products/?sku=11180AC9104&v...

Seagate Barracuda 1tb $147
http://www.directcanada.com/products/?sku=16950AC9713&v...

Get this TP Link wireless adapter. $23
http://www.directcanada.com/products/?sku=16950NW2032&v...

$1182

FREE SHIPPING. You can go dual GTX 570 if you want to max out the budget but a 570 is enough to max most games out. 750w is more than enough for DUAL SLI and OC.


Hey cutebeans, thanx a bunch for your time and your answers! Know that the feedback helps me a lot.

For the motherboard you told me to get, is there a specific reason why you are recommending that one? It definitely looks intriguing! Does it have more bang for my buck than the Asus motherboard? Also, what exactly am I missing out on, for that cheaper price tag?

For the 750W PSU, I will trust you if you say it's enough for dual SLI.

As for the ram, you can see in my answer to spentshells why I am going with 16gb. Basically, I'm most probably going to want 16gb in the future, so why not just get them now? Now If this reasoning is stupid, please tell me so!

For the HDD, like I told spentshells, I really trust WD. However, I will be looking into that seagate as well. Is there a specific reason why you are recommending that HDD though? How does it compare to something like this HDD http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E1682...

FOr the wireless adapter, thanx alot for the proposition! It definitely looks like a good choice. Then again, I don't know much about wireless adapters. ( now I just need to figure out how to install that kind of adapter)
On a side note, do you know how USB adapters compare to the one you are proposing? Because of the way my pc will be placed in my room, it would be best if my adapter could be placed in the FRONT of my case, (which is only possible with a usb adapter).

FInally for the GPU, the choice of a GTX 570 seems logical. However, like I asked spentshells, is there a reason why you're not considering the 560ti 448 cores? I know running two 570's is a bit overkill, but I'd really like to run games like BF3 on ultra (AA included) over 50fps.

Anyways thanx again for the help! and sorry if I'm asking too many questions!
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December 5, 2011 12:29:08 AM

Hello my friend! No worries, if you really want WD then get the WD Caviar Black. The only reason I chose the Seagate because it is cheaper :) 

Don't worry, The Asrock z68 motherboard I chose has all the features you need. Asrock is a cheaper alternative with great quality.

If you want a USB adapter then best go for this. :) 
http://www.directcanada.com/products/?sku=26240NW0209&v...

570 still is better than the 560ti 448 but it's close. If you want to save a few buys you might want to opt for it but the 570 is still better.

http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/geforce-gtx-560-ti-...

Samsung Spinpoints are one of the best when it comes to HDDs.
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December 5, 2011 12:34:52 AM

Hey Killer. Try NCIX.ca. They have some good prices and they have a custom configurator what will let you check and see if everything is compatible and for 50 extra dollars they will check and make sure everything is DOA to save you on that hassle.
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December 5, 2011 1:20:45 PM

If you want a sweet gaming rig go something like this:

http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E1682...
http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E1681...
http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E1681...
http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E1681...
http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E1681...
http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E1682...
http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E1681...

My roommate has the exact same build and he maxes everything out on minecraft, warcraft 3, diablo 2, starcraft and dance dance revolution (without AA of course...). He's also liek the best mage on the server since he bought his new rig. I'm so jelly.
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December 5, 2011 11:41:38 PM

Slow response, but the case is entirely up to you. Just look a little more and find something a little newer
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December 6, 2011 12:49:07 AM

2453934,8,995486 said:
Hello my friend! No worries, if you really want WD then get the WD Caviar Black. The only reason I chose the Seagate because it is cheaper :) 

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Hey Cutebeans thanx alot for the response! That Asrock motherboard does look sweat, and If it comes with all the features I need, I guess I'll go with it!
Also that USB adapter does look really great for my specific needs so good call on that one.
I know the 570 is better, but for about 50$ more, I don't know if it's really worth it... I guess it is worth it since I'll be able to buy another one for SLI in the future.

If ever i'm short on money, i'll go for that seagate, however do you have any thoughts on hybrid HDD's like this one?
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
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December 6, 2011 12:56:49 AM

Hey Mourice12, I checked out NCIX and to be honest the prices don't seem that great. That custom config seems like a nice option though so thanx for the suggestion:) 
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December 6, 2011 1:04:15 AM

Hey reviver-wy thanx for the input! That does look like a very nice build, however I don't think It's the one I'd go with. For example I don't need an i7 CPU. I'd be interested in knowing if your roommate tried BF3 though.
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December 6, 2011 1:10:45 AM

Yea they have promos on there sometimes and the custom config is nice and honestly id give someone 50 bucks to check and make sure my parts wont be DOA
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December 6, 2011 1:15:55 AM

Okok thanx alot Mourice12, I'll definitely think about it! However for the moment i'm more focused on finishing my build!
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December 6, 2011 1:17:36 AM

Good Luck, im in the same boat trying to get what i want figured out
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December 6, 2011 1:25:25 AM

Haha in that case good Luck to you too
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December 6, 2011 4:27:31 AM

Any issues? Anything I can help with? If not, close this topic! :D  Good luck with the build btw.
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