Canon EOS 300D - steady camera for slow shutter speeds.

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Brian <bclark@es.co.nz> wrote in news:h3ac71d5n4g2cmlvo9ssgcpav035o9r5mc@
4ax.com:

> The Canon EOS 300D seems to be very steady for low light photos.
> I've photographed a room in low light conditions at 1/13th shutter
> speed and enlarged the photo to check for camera shake.
> I also photographed a page of a A4 sized map in low light using ISO
> 1600 with a shutter speed of 1/30. I was able to enlarge the map and
> clearly read the road names so there was no camera shake.
>
> This was a test for the camera.

Sounds more like a test for your tripod or ability to handhold.

Cameras aren't "steady". Whatever is holding them is.

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Eric Gill <ericvgill@yahoo.com> wrote:

>Brian <bclark@es.co.nz> wrote in news:h3ac71d5n4g2cmlvo9ssgcpav035o9r5mc@
>4ax.com:
>
>> The Canon EOS 300D seems to be very steady for low light photos.
>> I've photographed a room in low light conditions at 1/13th shutter
>> speed and enlarged the photo to check for camera shake.
>> I also photographed a page of a A4 sized map in low light using ISO
>> 1600 with a shutter speed of 1/30. I was able to enlarge the map and
>> clearly read the road names so there was no camera shake.
>>
>> This was a test for the camera.
>
>Sounds more like a test for your tripod or ability to handhold.
>
>Cameras aren't "steady". Whatever is holding them is.

I was thinking of photographing some maps in the public library some
time and was interested to see if the camera would take steady photos.

Regards Brian

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"Brian" <bclark@es.co.nz> wrote in message
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> I was thinking of photographing some maps in the public library some
> time and was interested to see if the camera would take steady photos.

The camera is only as steady as its support - either you or a tripod, table
top, etc.

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"PhotoMan" <photoman@wfeca.net> wrote in message
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>
> The camera is only as steady as its support - either you or a tripod,
> table
> top, etc.
>
Generally true, BUT....
A camera with a well damped mirror will be more capable.

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"Tumbleweed" <Shovels@five.paces> wrote in news 55h89$1lf$1
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>
> "PhotoMan" <photoman@wfeca.net> wrote in message
> news:Kfqde.151152$vL3.122494@bignews4.bellsouth.net...
>>
>> The camera is only as steady as its support - either you or a tripod,
>> table
>> top, etc.
>>
> Generally true, BUT....
> A camera with a well damped mirror will be more capable.

I really, really doubt you're going to see a difference hand-holding, or
with any exposure you can hand-hold.

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"Tumbleweed" <Shovels@five.paces> wrote:

>
>"PhotoMan" <photoman@wfeca.net> wrote in message
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>>
>> The camera is only as steady as its support - either you or a tripod,
>> table
>> top, etc.
>>
>Generally true, BUT....
>A camera with a well damped mirror will be more capable.
>
Also a light touch shutter button helps.
On my older 35mm camera I need more force on the shutter button and
meed to move the button downwards futher before the camera takes the
picture causing extra camera movement.

Regards Brian

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> Also a light touch shutter button helps.
> On my older 35mm camera I need more force on the shutter button and
> meed to move the button downwards futher before the camera takes the
> picture causing extra camera movement.

Slowly squeeze the trigger. Same as shooting weapons.

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Brian wrote:
> "Tumbleweed" <Shovels@five.paces> wrote:
>
>
>>"PhotoMan" <photoman@wfeca.net> wrote in message
>>news:Kfqde.151152$vL3.122494@bignews4.bellsouth.net...
>>
>>>The camera is only as steady as its support - either you or a tripod,
>>>table
>>>top, etc.
>>>
>>
>>Generally true, BUT....
>>A camera with a well damped mirror will be more capable.
>>
>
> Also a light touch shutter button helps.
> On my older 35mm camera I need more force on the shutter button and
> meed to move the button downwards futher before the camera takes the
> picture causing extra camera movement.
>
> Regards Brian
>

UUUUH, that's why you have a THUMB. Put it under the camera, and
SQUEEZE. No button 'pushing'...


--
Ron Hunter rphunter@charter.net

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Charles Schuler wrote:

>>Also a light touch shutter button helps.
>>On my older 35mm camera I need more force on the shutter button and
>>meed to move the button downwards futher before the camera takes the
>>picture causing extra camera movement.
>
>
> Slowly squeeze the trigger. Same as shooting weapons.



I was always under the impression that a tripod is worthless without a
remote trigger of some sort though people use monopods too so it's
obviously not a hard rule.

PS I set my camera to burst mode so that if I press slowly, it'll take a
few shots before I can release which is sort of annoying. I guess I
should change that, it probably does diminish my stability to make quick
jabs as I'm inclined to do to avoid a burst.


--
Paul Furman
http://www.edgehill.net/1
san francisco native plants

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Paul Furman wrote:
> Charles Schuler wrote:
>
>>> Also a light touch shutter button helps.
>>> On my older 35mm camera I need more force on the shutter button and
>>> meed to move the button downwards futher before the camera takes the
>>> picture causing extra camera movement.
>>
>>
>>
>> Slowly squeeze the trigger. Same as shooting weapons.
>
>
>
>
> I was always under the impression that a tripod is worthless without a
> remote trigger of some sort though people use monopods too so it's
> obviously not a hard rule.
>
> PS I set my camera to burst mode so that if I press slowly, it'll take a
> few shots before I can release which is sort of annoying. I guess I
> should change that, it probably does diminish my stability to make quick
> jabs as I'm inclined to do to avoid a burst.
>
>
NEVER 'jab' the shutter button. That's an invitation to bad pictures.
Squeeze the button with the thumb under the bottom of the camera, and
the finger on the button.


--
Ron Hunter rphunter@charter.net

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Paul Furman <paul-@-edgehill.net> wrote in news:4Kmdnd8j3JDLVuvfRVn-
2Q@speakeasy.net:

> I was always under the impression that a tripod is worthless without a
> remote trigger of some sort though people use monopods too so it's
> obviously not a hard rule.

To use a tripod without a remote trigger you should use the self timer. If
you use a tripod enough that you find using the self timer to be a pain,
then buy a remote trigger.


--
Mark Heyes (New Zealand)
See my pics at www.gigatech.co.nz (last updated 3-May-05)
"There are 10 types of people, those that
understand binary and those that don't"

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On Mon, 02 May 2005 20:41:37 -0500, Ron Hunter wrote:

> Paul Furman wrote:
>> Charles Schuler wrote:
>>
>>>> Also a light touch shutter button helps.
>>>> On my older 35mm camera I need more force on the shutter button and
>>>> meed to move the button downwards futher before the camera takes the
>>>> picture causing extra camera movement.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Slowly squeeze the trigger. Same as shooting weapons.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> I was always under the impression that a tripod is worthless without a
>> remote trigger of some sort though people use monopods too so it's
>> obviously not a hard rule.
>>
>> PS I set my camera to burst mode so that if I press slowly, it'll take a
>> few shots before I can release which is sort of annoying. I guess I
>> should change that, it probably does diminish my stability to make quick
>> jabs as I'm inclined to do to avoid a burst.
>>
>>
> NEVER 'jab' the shutter button. That's an invitation to bad pictures.
> Squeeze the button with the thumb under the bottom of the camera, and
> the finger on the button.
Don't forget the other part which is to breathe out and hold your breath
out then take the photo.

--
neil
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"Ron Hunter" <rphunter@charter.net> wrote in message
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>>
>>
> NEVER 'jab' the shutter button. That's an invitation to bad pictures.
> Squeeze the button with the thumb under the bottom of the camera, and the
> finger on the button.
>
>
> --
> Ron Hunter rphunter@charter.net

Try putting your thumb under a 20D with a battery pack or a 1D/1Ds and
squeeze the shutter button. And for good measure, add a flash bracket.
You'd better have REALLY big hands to try that trick... ;-)

--
Skip Middleton
http://www.shadowcatcherimagery.com

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Neil Ellwood wrote:

> On Mon, 02 May 2005 20:41:37 -0500, Ron Hunter wrote:
>
>>Paul Furman wrote:
>>
>>>Charles Schuler wrote:
>>>
>>>>Slowly squeeze the trigger. Same as shooting weapons.
>>>
>>>PS I set my camera to burst mode so that if I press slowly, it'll take a
>>>few shots before I can release which is sort of annoying. I guess I
>>>should change that, it probably does diminish my stability to make quick
>>>jabs as I'm inclined to do to avoid a burst.
>>>
>>NEVER 'jab' the shutter button. That's an invitation to bad pictures.
>>Squeeze the button with the thumb under the bottom of the camera, and
>>the finger on the button.
>
> Don't forget the other part which is to breathe out and hold your breath
> out then take the photo.

I thought you are supposed to breath out slowly while shooting.

I cannot reasonably hold my thumb on the bottom of a D70.


--
Paul Furman
http://www.edgehill.net/1
san francisco native plants

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Ron Hunter <rphunter@charter.net> wrote:

>Brian wrote:
>> "Tumbleweed" <Shovels@five.paces> wrote:
>>
>>
>>>"PhotoMan" <photoman@wfeca.net> wrote in message
>>>news:Kfqde.151152$vL3.122494@bignews4.bellsouth.net...
>>>
>>>>The camera is only as steady as its support - either you or a tripod,
>>>>table
>>>>top, etc.
>>>>
>>>
>>>Generally true, BUT....
>>>A camera with a well damped mirror will be more capable.
>>>
>>
>> Also a light touch shutter button helps.
>> On my older 35mm camera I need more force on the shutter button and
>> meed to move the button downwards futher before the camera takes the
>> picture causing extra camera movement.
>>
>> Regards Brian
>>
>
>UUUUH, that's why you have a THUMB. Put it under the camera, and
>SQUEEZE. No button 'pushing'...

I was talking about a camera I brought way back in the 1970's they
have improved on camera trigger buttons since...thank goodness.

Regards Brian

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Take a breath, release half and hold- then click. BTW, I was taught many
years ago to not expect good photos at exposures longer than 1/60 when hand
held.

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Bob Burns
Mill Hall PA
"Paul Furman" <paul-@-edgehill.net> wrote in message
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> Neil Ellwood wrote:
>
>> On Mon, 02 May 2005 20:41:37 -0500, Ron Hunter wrote:
>>
>>>Paul Furman wrote:
>>>
>>>>Charles Schuler wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>Slowly squeeze the trigger. Same as shooting weapons.
>>>>
>>>>PS I set my camera to burst mode so that if I press slowly, it'll take a
>>>>few shots before I can release which is sort of annoying. I guess I
>>>>should change that, it probably does diminish my stability to make quick
>>>>jabs as I'm inclined to do to avoid a burst.
>>>>
>>>NEVER 'jab' the shutter button. That's an invitation to bad pictures.
>>>Squeeze the button with the thumb under the bottom of the camera, and the
>>>finger on the button.
>>
>> Don't forget the other part which is to breathe out and hold your breath
>> out then take the photo.
>
> I thought you are supposed to breath out slowly while shooting.
>
> I cannot reasonably hold my thumb on the bottom of a D70.
>
>
> --
> Paul Furman
> http://www.edgehill.net/1
> san francisco native plants

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Bob Burns wrote:
> Take a breath, release half and hold- then click. BTW, I was taught many
> years ago to not expect good photos at exposures longer than 1/60 when hand
> held.
>

Years ago, I could handhold 3 second shots. Now 1/30 is a stretch.
Another year or two and I will be at 1/60, but not yet.

Then I see another guy with his digital camera held out at arms length,
framing with the LCD, eating battery power, and getting blurry pictures,
and wondering why...
Sigh.


--
Ron Hunter rphunter@charter.net

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In message <Oo3ee.3727$7F4.2202@newsread2.news.atl.earthlink.net>,
"Bob Burns" <treborburns@earthlink.net> wrote:

>Take a breath, release half and hold- then click. BTW, I was taught many
>years ago to not expect good photos at exposures longer than 1/60 when hand
>held.

You were taught wrong. It depends completely on the angular
magnification of the subject, which is related directly to the focal
length and sensor/film size at infinity, and wildly variable for
close-ups, as each lens has a different minimum focus distance. It
depends on the camera as well. With my Sony F707, I took many telephoto
pictures (what the camera calls "190mm") at 1/30s. I can not hand-hold
my Canon DSLRs with such long exposures, with equivalent angles of view;
not by a longshot. That's because nothing was snapping around inside
the Sony for an exposure; the Canon has a big shutter and slappy mirror.
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