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December 11, 2011 6:15:21 PM

how much are you paying for the 6870?
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December 11, 2011 6:19:55 PM

Some comemts on MBs (Applies to AMd as well as Intel).
Be sure to look at the specs.
I'll user z68 as a example (Not Gigabyte is my prefered brand, but went with the Asrock Extreme 4).
Pci-e lanes x16,x4 NO X8, X8 which would prevent sli/xfire downstream.
USB3 NONE OUCH.

The Asrock MB had rear panel USB3, BUT as buyers found out, it has NO 20 pin USB3 connector on MB, which means if the case has a front panel USB3 port - NO connecteee to MB. and since the front panel connector is 20 Pin, can not just route to rear and since front panel connector is normally also a 20 pin connector you can not route to rear.

In terrms of MB/CPU, you get what you pay for in terms of midlevel - Highend components are normally overpriced so lower price/performance. While as most here are gamers, even gamers use their system for other things. It is not always about the CPU, CPUs require chipsets, and here again the intel chipset. The chipset and support is the main reson I prefer Intel for my builds. Don't get me wrong, you will probably enjoy that $800 AMD system today - but what about next year?? Bear in mind, As AMD reduces their support for desktop (NOT abanding it), this could translate into a bigger performance difference a year, or two, from now.

On PSU (Some skimp here much to their later regreate- Remember - Quality is very important, You do NOT want to watch your system die a thousand deaths as the PSU dies.
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December 11, 2011 6:32:58 PM

RetiredChief said:
Some comemts on MBs (Applies to AMd as well as Intel).
Be sure to look at the specs.
I'll user z68 as a example (Not Gigabyte is my prefered brand, but went with the Asrock Extreme 4).
Pci-e lanes x16,x4 NO X8, X8 which would prevent sli/xfire downstream.
USB3 NONE OUCH.

The Asrock MB had rear panel USB3, BUT as buyers found out, it has NO 20 pin USB3 connector on MB, which means if the case has a front panel USB3 port - NO connecteee to MB. and since the front panel connector is 20 Pin, can not just route to rear and since front panel connector is normally also a 20 pin connector you can not route to rear.

In terrms of MB/CPU, you get what you pay for in terms of midlevel - Highend components are normally overpriced so lower price/performance. While as most here are gamers, even gamers use their system for other things. It is not always about the CPU, CPUs require chipsets, and here again the intel chipset. The chipset and support is the main reson I prefer Intel for my builds. Don't get me wrong, you will probably enjoy that $800 AMD system today - but what about next year?? Bear in mind, As AMD reduces their support for desktop (NOT abanding it), this could translate into a bigger performance difference a year, or two, from now.

On PSU (Some skimp here much to their later regreate- Remember - Quality is very important, You do NOT want to watch your system die a thousand deaths as the PSU dies.


Thanks for that. Good info. I don't mind no usb 3.0 personally. Now, the part that confused me is that you mention the asrock not having dual x8? Maybe I don't understand what these specs mean, but it says dual x8?

2 x PCI Express 3.0 x16 slots (PCIE2/PCIE4: single at x16 (PCIE2) / x8 (PCIE4), or dual at x8 (PCIE2) / x8 (PCIE4)) (PCI Express 3.0 with Intel Ivy Bridge CPU, PCI Express 2.0 with Intel Sandy Bridge CPU)
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December 11, 2011 6:54:43 PM

The only neg I mentioned on the asrock was about front panel USB3. The No 8x,8x was for the Gigabyte board.

For a board like the Gigabyte, the USB3 can be solved by getting a PCI-e 1x addon card. at a later date.
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December 11, 2011 7:04:21 PM

Alright, thanks for clearing that up. It's nice to know if I go with that mobo and a 6800 series card I might be able to add another later and possibly extend the life of my system. What kind of PSU would be required to run 2 cards in the 68xx series? would the corsair tx750 be enough?
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December 11, 2011 9:56:36 PM

Yes, My I5-2500k w/6870 is around 350 Watts.
Add a 2nd 6870 would bump that up to about 600 Watts so the 750 would probably be a good choice. a Corsair 650 would hack it, but not must cussion.
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December 11, 2011 11:48:37 PM

elmasloco said:
Should have said "highest quality as possible within my budget"...

Also, is the 6870 much better than the 6850? It's a $ 30 difference. Now by much better I mean will it be noticeable, say going from low to medium on battlefield 3, or any other game for that matter.



Personally, I wouldn't have either. AMD/ATI drivers have always been and still are buggy.
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December 12, 2011 12:04:07 AM

The nvidia cards seem to cost more. I could go that route but I would have to sacrifice something else on my system, like the psu.
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December 12, 2011 1:04:35 AM

elmasloco said:
Well the number one reason I'm building is to play BF3 at highest quality as possible. I was just thinking of doing that myself, but had a 6870 in mind. I guess it makes sense getting the better processor and a lower card.



My suggestion would be less RAM and a simpler case.
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December 12, 2011 3:47:13 AM

Alright, I think this is the build I will be buying. Could spend extra on a better card but this is already pushing.

http://pcpartpicker.com/p/2Y5I

CPU: Intel Core i5-2500K 3.3GHz
Motherboard: ASRock Z68 Extreme3 Gen3
Memory: G.Skill Ripjaws X Series 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory
Video Card: XFX Radeon HD 6870 1GB
Case: Cooler Master HAF 912 ATX Mid Tower Case
Power Supply: Antec 550W ATX12V Power Supply
Optical Drive: Asus DRW-24B1ST/BLK/B/AS DVD/CD Writer
Monitor: Acer S231HLbid 23.0" Monitor

Thoughts?

edit- which is a bettwer psu antec bp550 or or ocz fatal1ty? They are both same price. Comparable specifications except the ocz seems to have more on the 12v rails and is also not white...white would throw everything else off.
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December 12, 2011 5:08:55 AM

Learned a lot from skimmimng through this thread. Anyways, i found this offer from Compusa

http://www.compusa.com/applications/SearchTools/item-de...
Seems to have most of what you need and it's 715 (no monitor :/ ) but with the rebates (one of them expires in 3 days!) it goes to 615. Im just curious about the potential for upgrades of this...i really hate being ignorant.

Also, microcenter has the 15-2500k for 179.99. Store pick up only it seems. Like your build though, im in the same price range and im looking around for my future pc too.
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December 12, 2011 12:49:46 PM

Aerohitman that seems like a nice deal but since it includes an HDD. I already have a HDD so my money would be better spent on something else.

Never read anything on Rosewill power supplies, but if you're recommending them I'm considering swapping it out with the older Antec
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December 12, 2011 12:58:54 PM

Have to be carefull with Roswell PSUs. In the Past, Roswell = Junk. But from what I've read they now have some that are OK. Make sure on ANY PSUs that you google a review of that PSU (BY Brand and MODEL) .

Your comment "Already have a HDD", If the overall price is less than what you had, consider the HDD as a Freebee.
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December 13, 2011 2:40:31 AM

Well I finally bought the parts...2 days later and $130 over budget. Hope I got good, and most importantly, compatible parts. Thanks everyone for your help. BTW, if you think I should return anything to swap for something else, let me know.

ASUS 24X DVD Burner $19
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Case:COOLER MASTER HAF 912 $50
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Monitor: Acer S231HLbid Black 23" 5ms $130
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Video Card: GIGABYTE GV-R695OC-1GD Radeon HD 6950 1GB $240
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

PSU: Antec BP550 Plus 550W $70
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Memory: CORSAIR Vengeance 8GB $47
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Motherboard: ASRock Z68 Extreme3 Gen3 $125
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

CPU: Intel Core i5-2500K Sandy Bridge $220
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Total: $930
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