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XFX 5870 XX vs MSI N560GTX Ti Twin Frozer II

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October 15, 2011 7:08:30 PM

Heya good people of toms hardware :D 

I am looking at upgrading my GPU from a 4890 to one of the above.

I can get the 5870 for $205 and the GTX 560 Ti for $255. Obviously both are second hand but both come with warranty.

I use the PC alot for gaming, mainly CoD4 Promod competitively.

Any advice would be appreciated.



PS.

My system specs :

i5 750
CM Hyper 212 Dual Fan
Intel DP55KG
2x2 GB DDR3 1600 Corsair dominators
Antec Dark Fleet DF-85
Antec High Current Pro 850
Samsung 2233RZ (120 hz screen)
a c 143 U Graphics card
October 15, 2011 7:22:13 PM

Welcome to the forums. :) 
the GTX 560Ti is comparable with HD 6950 not the HD 5870, so a GTX 560Ti is a little better than HD 5870.
here's a comparison between the HD 5870 and GTX 560Ti, so HD 5870 is doing pretty good but the GTX 560Ti is awesome
http://www.anandtech.com/bench/Product/294?vs=330
October 15, 2011 7:26:27 PM

Thanks.

If you look at your own benchmarks I notice that at 1680x1050 the 5870 regularily comes close to beating the 560* :<

Also is it worth it for the extra $50 I could use on other things :p 
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a c 143 U Graphics card
October 15, 2011 7:42:58 PM

if you're going to play @ 1680 x 1050 you can grab the HD 5870 as it performs better than a HD 6870, the GTX 560Ti is a great implementation for DX11 and will let you max out any game at this resolution.
a b U Graphics card
October 15, 2011 7:48:17 PM

5870 is a more powerful card of the two, they are however fairly close in performance so this all depends on your Brand preference.
560 uses less power and will likely be quieter.
a c 143 U Graphics card
October 15, 2011 8:10:41 PM

spentshells said:
5870 is a more powerful card of the two, they are however fairly close in performance so this all depends on your Brand preference.
560 uses less power and will likely be quieter.

GTX 560 Ti > HD 5870 > GTX 560 > HD 6870 > HD 6850
October 15, 2011 10:02:18 PM

What exactly is tessalation ? :p 

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a c 143 U Graphics card
October 15, 2011 10:40:22 PM
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spentshells said:
Im sorry your wrong please read up, a 5870 is on par with the 6950 which is superior to the 6950.

http://www.hardwareheaven.com/reviews/1085/pg7/gtx-570-...

read up. 5870 >560 ti really though

oh you're right i would read up first before i call anyone wrong. you're giving your clues based on hardwareheaven which is not a trusted source for me, it's the only site that showed and recommended FX 8150 over the 2500K.
and the benchmarks are based on overclocked cards the GTX 560Ti is non of them.
after anadtech showed that the GTX 560TI beats HD 5870, here are more reviews (take off HD 6950 away)
Techpower up (9 games for the GTX 560TI side over the HD 5870)
http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/NVIDIA/GeForce_GTX_5...
Legitreviews (5 games for the GTX 560 Ti and 2 games for the HD 5870)
http://www.legitreviews.com/article/1533/14/
another review of the GTX 560Ti from anadtech which HD 5870 presets
http://www.anandtech.com/show/4137/amds-gtx-560-ti-coun...
only Guru3d shows the performance of a HD 5870 equals to GTX 560TI (3 games for 3 games )
http://www.guru3d.com/article/radeon-hd-6950-1gb-vs-gef...

and if you're saying that HD 5870 is on par with HD 6950, check out each review and check out this
http://www.anandtech.com/bench/Product/293?vs=294
Note : reviews above compares GTX 560TI as the reference design card, but if you compare the TWIN Frozer II to HD 5870, it's non comparable with it.
a c 143 U Graphics card
October 15, 2011 10:41:02 PM

Evax said:
What exactly is tessalation ? :p 

google it because it's a long explanation
October 15, 2011 11:02:43 PM

Hehe, ye I just did :> Basically another "shader" of sorts built into the card ?

Also, the 560 Ti looks a bit more future proof ?
a c 143 U Graphics card
October 15, 2011 11:13:20 PM

there's nothing really called Proof, but so far the GTX 560 Ti, HD 6950 are maxing out each game outside except for Metro 2033 and Crysis 2, those 2 games specially requires SLI to run great. and with some pure overclock to the twin frozer you'll get a really good performance out of this GPU.
and as i said above, if you're only playing at 16850x the HD 5870 will do the job just fine...no worries.
October 16, 2011 12:00:50 AM

Argh, decisions decisions :p 
a c 212 U Graphics card
October 16, 2011 12:13:06 AM

The 5870 scored 460 fps in Guru3D's gaming test suite
The 560 Ti scored 455 fps in Guru3D's gaming test suite
The 900 MHz 560 Ti scored 495 fps in Guru3D's gaming test suite

Guru3D uses the following games in their test suite, COD-MW, Bad Company 2, Dirt 2, Far Cry 2, Metro 2033, Dawn of Discovery, Crysis Warhead. Total fps (summing fps in each game @ 1920 x 1200) for the various options in parenthesis (single card / SL or CF) are tabulated below along with their cost in dollars per frame single card - CF or SLI.

The 900Mz 560 Ti is $205 here in the US
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Twin Frozr II 560 Ti is $225 in US but its a but slower at 880Mhz outta the box.
October 18, 2011 2:39:17 AM

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October 18, 2011 2:40:18 AM

Think I am going to go for the 560Ti or the 6950(maybe unlocked to 6970 :p )

Thanks for the advice.
a b U Graphics card
October 18, 2011 6:35:44 AM

Glad to this thread is still open 6950>560 ti
6950=5870 just so we are clear these reviews you posted are in fact reviews specific to the 560ti which these sites are endorsing.
But very odd how the 5870 really isn't shy that much 5-9 frames of the 570 in the review I posted but somehow in those reviews specific to the 560ti it seems to smash the card 5870.
I would rather have the 560 ti anyway but im sorry by posting reviews to a card someone is being paid to review isn't all that convincing
a c 143 U Graphics card
October 18, 2011 1:00:03 PM

spentshells said:

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Glad to this thread is still open 6950>560 ti

+1, but if you won't notice a much difference between both as they are performing neck to neck depending on the game.
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6950=5870 just so we are clear these reviews you posted are in fact reviews specific to the 560ti which these sites are endorsing.

Did you see the review from anandtech?? 5870 exceeds both HD 6850/70... but the HD 6950 took the lead.

a b U Graphics card
October 18, 2011 11:09:41 PM

I still want a 560 ti you will never convince me otherwise
a c 143 U Graphics card
October 18, 2011 11:14:57 PM

I'm not convincing you, and from the begging i'm recommending GTX 560Ti.
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