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March 18, 2012 10:33:12 AM

Hi guys so i currently have an am3+ motherboard and i don't know if i should buy a new intel motherboard with i5 2500k and gtx 560 ti or buy phenom 980 and save the money and get a better graphic card such as radeon 7870
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Can you guys tell me which option would give me better performance in gaming? I want to play on 1920 x 1080 resolution.


My current rig

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gtx 460 768mb

am3+ motherboard

4gb ram

athlon x3 455 cpu

600 watt powersupply

More about : 2500k phenom 980

March 18, 2012 10:46:22 AM

save the money ... n go for 17 2600 and gtx 580 or 570 whichever suits u ... theyll both max out any recent game ... ive got 560ti and i5 2500k ... even though its quiet a good mid-high range card ... it still struggles to max out bf3 on ultra n even witcher 2 ... i play it on high ... with 1920x1080 resolution ...

i don know anything abt amd cards or motherboards ... so sorry i cant help u there
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March 18, 2012 2:38:09 PM

go for the Phenom II X4 980 and save your money for better gpu. Phenom II X4 980 is more than enough for gaming.
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March 18, 2012 3:04:27 PM

2500k>all MAD cpus(sorry i meant AMD LOL)
but 980 is a good quad core.your 460 768mb is gonna hold you back.so it's better to get a 955(oc it)and put more money towards a better gpu like 560ti or 7850.
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March 18, 2012 3:15:00 PM

Seriously, please save your money and grab an intel motherboard (x79) + Intel i7 Cpu. Also, if you have the money, just go for ATi 7850 (2GB) / GTX 570 (1.25GB).
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March 18, 2012 3:18:11 PM

^wow what a useless advice!
1155 is best gaming platform.x79 is for workstations and servers.
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March 18, 2012 3:18:59 PM

Why not phenom 980 and another 460? Well if you need 1gb of vram then that's another story.
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March 18, 2012 3:20:22 PM

well i don't think 768mb is any good for modern games at 1080p.now days i prefer 1gb or more.
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March 18, 2012 3:21:01 PM

hellfire24 said:
^wow what a useless advice!
1155 is best gaming platform.x79 is for workstations and servers.


He's already got a good system. It's best to save money and get some kickass hardware.

Oh yeah, x79 motherboard is also classified as Gaming Motherboard. It's not just a workstation motherboard... :) 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H5Ndsdp9mBs
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March 18, 2012 3:25:08 PM

No point^^ you can tell by his intial rig that he is not very rich.
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March 18, 2012 3:29:19 PM

laircouk said:
Seriously, please save your money and grab an intel motherboard (x79) + Intel i7 Cpu. Also, if you have the money, just go for ATi 7850 (2GB) / GTX 570 (1.25GB).
ver mind

what ever you do DO NOT follow this advice. It is completely wrong. There is almost zero advantage to using an i7 over an i5, and even less advantage is using an x79 platform; i5 2500k is by far the best cpu for strictly gaming unless budget is of utterly no concern. if you can afford a 2500k AND a gpu upgrade go that route. if not an 980 and gpu upgrade would help you out tons. My choice would be a 965BE because you can easily bump it up to 3.6 ghz and will save $25 to put towards the graphics card upgrade
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March 18, 2012 3:32:50 PM

laircouk said:
He's already got a good system. It's best to save money and get some kickass hardware.

Oh yeah, x79 motherboard is also classified as Gaming Motherboard. It's not just a workstation motherboard... :) 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H5Ndsdp9mBs


what are you doing? youre giving terrible advice that goes against what every experienced person on the forum is saying. do a little research, read some forums and learn a bit before you give any more advice. youre detracting from the wealth of information that exists on toms by posting BS
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March 18, 2012 3:38:35 PM

amuffin said:
No point^^ you can tell by his intial rig that he is not very rich.


Ohhh... you don't think I have that laptop? I am also currently building a workstation...

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March 18, 2012 3:42:20 PM

laircouk said:
Ohhh... you don't think I have that laptop? I am also currently building a workstation...

http://www.uploadup.com/di-EV4R.jpg


^so?
anyway muffin referred to OP not you.
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March 18, 2012 3:53:23 PM

If you have a good HSF Newegg is selling the X4 980 OEM for $135.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
Being you already have a relatively new motherboard (if its AM3+) doing that with a solid graphics card would be your most cost effective way to get better gaming performance. The X4 980, while only about as fast as an i3 2120, is still more than enough when paired with a good GPU.
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March 18, 2012 6:04:18 PM

laircouk said:
Ohhh... you don't think I have that laptop? I am also currently building a workstation...

http://www.uploadup.com/di-EV4R.jpg


Sorry, I just had to! :kaola:  Referring to op, not you!
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March 18, 2012 6:13:46 PM

star293 said:
Hi guys so i currently have an am3+ motherboard and i don't know if i should buy a new intel motherboard with i5 2500k and gtx 560 ti or buy phenom 980 and save the money and get a better graphic card such as radeon 7870
.

Can you guys tell me which option would give me better performance in gaming? I want to play on 1920 x 1080 resolution.


My current rig

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gtx 460 768mb

am3+ motherboard

4gb ram

athlon x3 455 cpu

600 watt powersupply



ivy bridge comes out in april, get the 3500k or 3550k whatever. its going to be an upped version of the 2500k
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March 18, 2012 6:17:19 PM

It possibly got delayed to june/july^^
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March 18, 2012 7:32:48 PM

wait until ivy bridge comes out then decide, ull most likley go ivy its worth the wait
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March 18, 2012 7:53:07 PM

Ivy has no benefit over sandy in gaming, so there is no point.
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March 18, 2012 7:55:43 PM

I don't see a problem with the P2 980. You have the AM3 MB so why not just stick with AMD. Save some money getting the 980, then put another 460 in, if your PSU allows that.
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March 18, 2012 9:41:18 PM

amuffin said:
Ivy has no benefit over sandy in gaming, so there is no point.


wtf ROFL its not out yet how would you know? obviously there will be an improvement in gaming.... why are you on this thread giving advice
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March 19, 2012 6:01:40 PM

get a 960T maybe u can unlock it to a 1605T 6 core, if you can you will be in 2500K performance territory while saving $125 to put towards a better GPU ;) 
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March 20, 2012 1:45:51 AM

^stop dreaming,it's impossible.2500k>all AMD.
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March 20, 2012 2:02:37 AM

the 8120 kills the 2500k in passmark
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March 20, 2012 2:09:43 AM

amuffin said:
It possibly got delayed to june/july^^


No the quad cores are out April 29th. Most of the June/July is a few other things like the lower end and probably mobile.

diablo34life said:
wtf ROFL its not out yet how would you know? obviously there will be an improvement in gaming.... why are you on this thread giving advice


Its not hard to see that most games barley utilize a quad core properly and even with a 10-15% performance increase, it probably wont ourperform SB in gaming as most games are GPU dependant, vs CPU.

And also it is a die shrink which means normally there are very minimal improvements to the CPU itself, basically its the same arch on a smaller process. Thats the whole point to Intels Tick/Tock. The Tick is the same arch on a new process, the Tock (where major performance increases come in) is a new arch on the same process. Why do you think SB was such a big jump over Lynnfield and Gulftown but Gulftown was barley anything over Nehalem?

Die shrinks tend to do 10-15%, new archs do 20-35% +

diablo34life said:
the 8120 kills the 2500k in passmark


Yea. Passmark is all great fun, but it honestly is not that great of a real world performance. Its synthetic.

I like looking at synthetic for possible future performance, but in the real world the FX-8150 barley outperforms the 2500K, with more cores too, and falls short of the 2600K.

Right now, the 2500K is the best bang for buck CPU. If the OP buys it now, he wont regret it.
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March 20, 2012 2:12:57 AM

hellfire24 said:
^stop dreaming,it's impossible.2500k>all AMD.


Ok what ever you say buddy.. Go look up any benchmark comparison between an 1100T (basically an unlocked 960T) and a 2500K and they will trade blows the entire review, go throw a decent OC on the phenom and they are practically on par. He want's to game, and a 6 core phenom with 7870 will game better than a 2500K with a 560ti (seeing as how the phenom is still more than enough and the 7870 whomps the GTX 560ti). Let alone if you actually read any reviews before you open your mouth you would know that if he ever wanted to do anything besides game... (OMG he said do something besides game !! Shun the infidel !!) You would know that's where the phenom starts to walk away from the 2500K out right. All the same unlocking the 960T is not guaranteed but even the quad core is more than enough to game with plus he already has the board. I am trying to provide helpful perspective, you are just spitting the A-typical intel fanboi get a 2500K bs party line.
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March 20, 2012 2:16:15 AM

diablo34life said:
the 8120 kills the 2500k in passmark

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March 20, 2012 2:18:11 AM

cmi86 said:
Ok what ever you say buddy.. Go look up any benchmark comparison between an 1100T (basically an unlocked 960T) and a 2500K and they will trade blows the entire review, go throw a decent OC on the phenom and they are practically on par. He want's to game, and a 6 core phenom with 7870 will game better than a 2500K with a 560ti (seeing as how the phenom is still more than enough and the 7870 whomps the GTX 560ti). Let alone if you actually read any reviews before you open your mouth you would know that if he ever wanted to do anything besides game... (OMG he said do something besides game !! Shun the infidel !!) You would know that's where the phenom starts to walk away from the 2500K out right. All the same unlocking the 960T is not guaranteed but even the quad core is more than enough to game with plus he already has the board. I am trying to provide helpful perspective, you are just spitting the A-typical intel fanboi get a 2500K bs party line.


http://www.anandtech.com/bench/Product/203?vs=288

Sorry but if the OP is gaming a 2500K will be better overall. At stock, the 2500k is superior in gaming than the 1100T at stock. And you can overclock both, but the 2500K will hit higher overclocks.

I do agree that the HD7870 will be a better GPU, but the 1100T is not a better gaming CPU right now. And why can't the OP buy a HD7870 and a 2500K as well? I would rather go for that combo than 2500K and 560ti, then again I am a bit of a ATI fanboy.
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March 20, 2012 2:26:59 AM

Thing is, you have to overclock to see any real performance increases. But even that can't top the stock clocked 2500k^^
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March 20, 2012 3:15:03 AM

jimmysmitty said:
http://www.anandtech.com/bench/Product/203?vs=288

Sorry but if the OP is gaming a 2500K will be better overall. At stock, the 2500k is superior in gaming than the 1100T at stock. And you can overclock both, but the 2500K will hit higher overclocks.

I do agree that the HD7870 will be a better GPU, but the 1100T is not a better gaming CPU right now. And why can't the OP buy a HD7870 and a 2500K as well? I would rather go for that combo than 2500K and 560ti, then again I am a bit of a ATI fanboy.


Were talking about $125 less, going with the amd would allow the op to get the 7870, games are much more based off GPU performance as opposed to CPU, any decent quad core will be more than enough, 6 cores is just a perk that will be real nice when it comes to multi core applications.
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March 20, 2012 3:16:12 AM

amuffin said:
Thing is, you have to overclock to see any real performance increases. But even that can't top the stock clocked 2500k^^


Were talking about a CPU that costs $100 less than the 2500K and the differences between the 2 arent even close to enough to justify the price difference.
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March 20, 2012 3:59:40 AM

cmi86 said:
Were talking about a CPU that costs $100 less than the 2500K and the differences between the 2 arent even close to enough to justify the price difference.

Read carefully next time >_< I was referring to the fx-8120 and the i5-2500k.
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March 20, 2012 4:25:38 AM

cmi86 said:
Were talking about a CPU that costs $100 less than the 2500K and the differences between the 2 arent even close to enough to justify the price difference.


They do not justify until you use high-end GPUs (or play certain CPU-bound games), then the GPU bottleneck is gone and the difference between high-end Intel/AMD really starts to show. (kind of like your GPUs)

Since the OP isn't going for dual cards on the high end and currently has a good AMD mobo he should upgrade to a Phenom II X4 (as more than 4 cores doesn't help gaming much at all).

Don't forget to overclock the crap out of it!

I'd also go for a 2nd 460 if your motherboard supports SLI.

Last note: 768MB shouldn't hurt your performance as much as some think @ 1920x1080.

http://www.guru3d.com/article/geforce-gtx-460-sli-revie...

Don't change your motherboard until you actually need to. Once you need/want GPUs with the performance of ~6950 crossfire or better, then go to Intel.
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March 20, 2012 4:45:30 AM

cmi86 said:
Were talking about $125 less, going with the amd would allow the op to get the 7870, games are much more based off GPU performance as opposed to CPU, any decent quad core will be more than enough, 6 cores is just a perk that will be real nice when it comes to multi core applications.


According to what I posted, the 2500K beats the 1100T at stock clocks in every game there.

The OP could also get a HD7850 which would still perform better than a GTX460 or 560ti as well since the 560ti costs the same as the HD7850.

http://www.anandtech.com/bench/Product/547?vs=549

So not sure why he would go for a lower end CPU if he can get the 2500K and a HD7850 then overclock the 2500K as well.
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March 20, 2012 8:28:34 PM

jimmysmitty said:
According to what I posted, the 2500K beats the 1100T at stock clocks in every game there.

The OP could also get a HD7850 which would still perform better than a GTX460 or 560ti as well since the 560ti costs the same as the HD7850.

http://www.anandtech.com/bench/Product/547?vs=549

So not sure why he would go for a lower end CPU if he can get the 2500K and a HD7850 then overclock the 2500K as well.


If he gets the 2500K he will have to buy a new MOBO aswell there in putting him past his budget. Fact of the matter is that 99.99% of games now a days are MUCH more dependant on GPU performance as opposed to the CPU. Where as the 2500K will out game a 6 core AMD (by a couple frames MAX, with the same GPU, not a 7850 vs a 560Ti) The tide begins to turn in the favor of the AMD if anything other than gaming is to be pursued. Anyhow we are kind of off on a tangent anyhow because my main suggestion was a 960T over a 980 because the 960T has very good chances of unlocking to a 6 core and they are dirt cheap right now.
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